Mr. WEO

Rochester

I didn't say this: "he was the 3rd punter taken so he sucks". What I said is that no team looking for a Punter has thought he was that great to draft before the other two and no team since has brought him in despite his "tons of promise' 1 Punt preseason performance. Maybe, as a one year college Punter, they don't think he's worth any public scrutiny at all--even if he wins the civil suit. Not to draw too straight a line, but look at Kaepernick. No team ultimately signed him because the bottom line is that he wasn't worth the heat he would bring. He was post peak career-wise. He wasn't that good. If he was a very good/great player, he would have been signed. Pretty simple.

I didn’t say that

No one is attacking his character, nor throwing dirt on it---Jim Brown did that all by himself for much of his adult life. In public, the persona you mention is the one he was keen to cultivate. In private, He treated people close to him badly (to put it very mildly). If you insist on memorializing him, this is part of that memorial. No one did thsi to Brown. This is the life he led. Simply mentioning it isn't an "attack".

Not sure what the approval process is but pretty much anyone with the cash and an owner who is offering can buy a stake in a team.

Why wouldn't they have the same confidence as you then? What "could come out there"? And in your opinion, a single punt = "tons of promise"? That's heavy lifting doc...

No I’m confident the plaintiffs lawyer doesn’t have anything the DA didn’t have, which is why I think if a team was interested, they should/would bring him in. You on the other hand clearly think he could lose a civil trial. Therefore your confidence in this matter is lower than mine in that regard. So, you’re “shaky” at this point. No other way to say it. I don’t care if he gets signed or not, loses a case or not. He’s a Punter.. Most are a dime a dozen. The most easily replaced position in the NFL.

I saw more of Miller on TV this past week than all of last season....

The guy is being lionized everywhere right now, and not just for his play. In real life, he beat women, was accused of raping them, perhaps tried to kill one, treated his wife badly, even did a night in jail for choking out his golf partner. In his dealings with individual people he was close to, he was an a-hole. This is all well documented and consistent through his life ----absolutely can be appropriately mentioned in an RIP thread. He may have been the greatest ever, but he was a man playing amongst boys. Who knows how he would fare vs current front 7's and modern schemes devised to stop him.

that was before he was “cleared” doc. Doesn’t that change everything? What’s left for doubt? why are you suddenly so shaky about the thought of him before a jury. Yiu had them acquitting him months ago. This is very strange…

Nantz is an unmatched maestro. He really gave sincere props to Roc and Oak Hill. Both were totally deserving. This course was pure perfection--they were able to play through steady rain without a delay--the drainage design was genius. The layout was challenging (unlike the miniature golf layout at, say, Augusta) and produced an incredibly entertaining and exciting major.

Only after they brought in a new HC...

Why would he have held damning evidence "up his sleeve" instead of giving it to the DA? that makes zero sense. You were convinced he was innocent immediately doc--way before the recent DA released evidence. Why would a jury think otherwise. Yes teams that wanted to upgrade at punter The legal journey continues as long as neither side wishes to settle, of course. Civil or criminal, the jury will be asked to decide whether he raped her. They won't really be splitting the hair of "beyond a reasonable doubt" vs "by the preponderance of evidence". If the plaintiff had such evidence that would convince a jury "yeah, I think he did it", he would have produced it already--if only to influence the potential jury pool by this point.

Hauschka wasn't a punter.

it’s camp—1 dozen practices

no team thought he was the best Punter in the draft. what would he produce that would convince the jury that a preponderance of evidence proves he raped her? Simply saying “he raped her after the video” won’t work doc. how does a Punter get overworked in training camp?

Smoothest in the business by far. He gave a shoutout to the U of R as well--tossing out that fact that George Eastman paid to move the original Oak Hill in Rochester to Pittford so that the River Campus could be built on it's former site. The move turned out very well for both entities.

yes what is alleged is a crime. it's now a tort because the DA, after what they felt was an exhaustive investigation, found no evidence of such. What might the plaintiff's lawyer have that would prove a crime and why would he not have produced it before now? Wouldn't a criminal charge make his civil case a lot more solid? Why was he withholding "the evidence"? also, I guess a team would bring in another Punter to camp if their current Punter stinks, not for some sort of work load issue, or whatever doc was getting at.

They are good punters because no one said they raped them? That made them get those numbers? lol ok is there a lot of wear and tear on the primary Punter in training camp? I’ve not heard that. I would think they are the least load stressed players in the dorm…

Teams think he might be found liable? How is that possible if he's cleared? The recent news detailing that should put any team at ease right now, no? Who knows if he's good enough, one punt not withstanding. I was making the point that the guys picked ahead of him have paid off. Most teams bring in a second punter to camp? For what? Link?

He's been cleared. What's the optics problem now? 2 guys were taken 2 rounds ahead of him because 2 teams thought they were a better pick at Punter. Those picks paid off: Camarda is an excellent Punter last year--#5 in yards per. Stout had 46 yards per and put nearly 46% inside the 20---ranked 5th in the league.

it's like you're not even trying anymore...

It was 6 years. 5 at Georgia, one at JUCO. He majored in football, like 99% of every NFL player. He just didn't get the piece of paper with the "BS in General Studies" on his way out. At least he's not pretending to be a college grad. None of this is odd.

"Will other teams “never sign him”? How do I know. Maybe tomorrow they will, or Monday." I don't delete posts. Mods sometimes do. I've only seen any quotes alleging only 2 teams knew about the incident before the draft. I don't think they spend a ton of time over round 6th and 7th guys. They will each represent about 5% of all starters on rosters. In rounds 4-7, picks started in about 7% of games over the 5 years after they were drafted (combined). As a combined group, they did far worse than UDFA. As for Araiza, by the time the 6th rolled around, I'm sure the Bills were like, sure, why not?