Mr. WEO
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Sling mud and call me names all you want, but I think it's a horrible idea to introduce this potential conflict/bias into the mix when it comes to NFL officiating, for all the reasons I mentioned. As noted above, nothing here about the guy being on the take (although I stand by my view that the fact that the guy is even floating this idea says oodles about his character and I also stand by my of course subjective view of him that I've gleaned from watching him interviewed and observing his actions as head of officiating)--it's a horrible idea even from a "benign" perspective where nothing untoward is actually intended, since even in that case it will potentially introduce bias into officiating. I'd have no problem with it if he wanted to do it anonymously so that no one would know that he's providing this coaching service, but clearly that's not workable and knowing Pereira's penchant for the spotlight, not something I suspect he'd want.
If the League wants to do something like this, it's pretty easy to have officials visit all 32 teams to teach penalty basics and areas of emphasis, which I believe they already do each summer. To me it's another thing entirely when the head of officiating wants to become a full-time assistant to the team or select teams that pay him the most......
Your entire premise suggests that the officials, by nature and as a group are corrupt and would favor their "old boss". You also say he is corrupt because he "defended" questionable calls in the past.
In fact, you suggest he is corrupt for even considering working for a team.
Who thinks like this? A guy who's only contribution here has been to complain about corrupt refs.
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I knew you couldn't answer a direct question with a "yes" or "no". A testament to your integrity or lack there of. I will do what you are unwilling to and answer your questions.
Yes, in 2005 Bettis was the better back for the steelers.
Yes, in 2008 Lendale White was the better back for the Titans.
See how easy it is to answer a question as opposed to answering a question with a question? See how easy it is to respond with a yes or a no instead of a paragraph that never addresses the points that the person you are debating with made?
Yards are very important but you don't want the offensive equivalent of the bend don't break defense. The "gain yards but don't score" offense. Yards are nice and they move the offense along but if you aren't getting into the end zone it doesn't amount to jack ****. I think you're smart enough to get the fact that points are what wins games.
By the way, in 2009, Chris Johnson by that time was clearly the better back for the Titans. Also, one could easily argue that Bettis was always better than Parker. Bettis is a shoe in for the Hall of Fame. Meanwhile the Steelers drafted 2 RBs to try to help their run game and currently it is unlikely that Parker will be a Steeler and nobody is beating down his door for his services. So...there ya go.
I answered you---your thought is senseless. You say a guy who is brought in to hop over the goal line after the rest of the team (i. e. the other back) has driven down the field into the red zone is "better" because he is scoring reveals to me a guy who doesn't understand much about the game.
Your response to my example shows why.
Can you please tell us the all important stats you are using that clearly makes Jackson the better RB? The stat that I like to look at is TDs. You know, the one that puts points on the board? But hey, that's just me. I like when we win games.They both had 2 rushing TDs last year. Jackson had far more yards, hence you would have to agree that Jackson was the better back.
End of story.
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Apparently Mr Weo likes to take simple statements and assume something completely unintended by the author. Once or twice is an honest mistake or speaks to the author poorly wording his statement but I think a pattern has developed here.
Wow, the two of you must be in the same home room.
Your statement that a RB (OK--even on the same team) who scores more TDs is clearly the better back, "end of story", is ridiculous. It ignores everything about the offense.
Try these:
2005 Steelers: Parker 1200 yards (4.7 per) 4 TDs
Bettis 368 yds (3.3 per) 9 TDs (0 starts)
Guess you would conclude that Bettis was the better back because he scored more points ("same team", right?)
or how about:
2008 Titans: Chris Johnson 1228 yds (4.9 per) 9 TDs
LenDale White 772 yds (3.9 per) 15 TDs
Well, clearly White is the better RB there---right?
Hard to believe this needs explaining...
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Read much? Right before that I mention why I don't like him--boneheaded ideas like this one, plus a career as an apologist for shady calls by his refs, usually to the benefit of your team, so it's no wonder this man does no wrong in your eyes. This idea of his also clearly shows what motivates him--money. If he's this greedy in retirement, who's to say where the greed stopped before he retired? I don't know the answer to that question, but I don't like the fact that he's even brought up this idea personally. In my opinion it does speak to his character, which is a key component of what refereeing is about (or should be about). As noted many times previously, in an age where you have big money from all corners (networks, owners, gambling) and folks like Tim Donaghy or the refs in the Serie A scandal (many of them--clearly not an isolated "one bad ref" case), this is the last taint that sports of any kind need.
How about sticking to the substance of my initial post? So you think it's a great idea to let heads of NFL officiating have second careers "coaching" on how to reduce penalties called by their former employees (you know, guys they hire, fire and promote)?
Any thought that maybe, since every team coaching staff is aware of the rules of the NFL, that THEY could also teach players how to avoid penalties?
No? Didn't occur to you? Maybe there are secret penalties only the refs (and former refs!) know about?
So this guy's on the take---simply because you say so? Because he wants to be employed again (wow, that's "greed"!)?
Yeah, I read much. Including your sh**t for the past year plus. You are a one note soloist. A goofy conspiracy theorist.
But hey, don't take my word for it---nearly everyone who has responded here has a similar opinion of your post.
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I see the exact opposite. I give Fred Jackson the nod when it comes to cut back running though. When the hole that is supposed to be there isn't, Fred is better at finding other options. When the hole IS there Marshawn beast mode is better.
Something that I didn't quite realize was as the starter how many rushing TDs did Fred Jackson have vs Marshawn Lynch? While everyone was singing Jackson's praises for getting the starting job we some how missed that our starting RB ONLY had 2 rushing TDs for the ENTIRE year. How does producing 2 TDs, 12 points, for an entire season make him a better RB?
For the smart guys out there. You can also include passing TDs. Even WHEN you do this when Marshawn was the starter he averaged twice as many TDs in 2007, 2008 vs Fred in 2009. I like Freddie a whole lot but you can't say he is the better back just because you don't like Marshawn's image or off field issues. Yards and more importantly TOUCH DOWNS matter the most. The guy that gets the most is the best. End of story.
Really?
So by your observsation, Steven Jackson isn't very good, yet LT is still an awesome back?
"For the smart guys out there"....huge unintended hilarity.
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Chris Johnson 358 carries last season....Thurman Thomas...all the SB years...never less than 288 carries...Peterson 314 carries...all the great RB's get 300 carries or pretty close to it...and do great things...we run the ball 300 times with Lynch...we win...period...end of story...QB this QB that...Defense this Defense that....Lynch gets the carries...we win...guaranteed...Gailey gets him the ball enough and gets Freddy 200 carries or so...we are 11-5 easily
How did that work out in '07, '08? You mean we could have gone 7-9?
No one would submit such a ridiculous post unless they were just trying to get a rise out of people here.
The Bills ran for almost 1900 yards this year.
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Socialist? Huh? How so? As noted below, I think it chips away quite vividly at the integrity of the game when you have the guy who used to be head of officiating for the league now deciding he wants to be paid to help teams manage his former employees, some of whom he promoted no doubt and who probably look up to him as a mentor. Officiating needs to stay as independent as possible in my opinion.
The dislike of Pereira comes from stupid ideas like this one he's displayed over the course of his career and is, in my opinion, well-deserved. Have you ever seen him interviewed? Call me crazy or old-fashioned, but I want my officials to look and act like the PricewaterhouseCoopers auditors you see get trotted out to announce the Oscar tabulations and not like Las Vegas lounge lizards, which is the vibe Pereira has always thrown off, between the hairdo, the jewelry and the Frank DeFord mustache. I don't know the man, and could be wrong about him, but I've never gotten a positive feeling about him from the times I've seen him interviewed, usually describing how his officials screwed up yet again (usually in a game involving a Pats*' victory on some fluke call or no call).....
So, essentially, you don't like the looks of him based on a few interviews on the television?
And then you crafted this post to share with the community?
This IS "truly horrible".
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Won't last that long. With him being publicly courted by the Bills, another team may jump ahead
of our 2nd round pick and snag him. Happens all the time.
I believe Tebow is just a smoke screen. They really covet another player, or two, and are using him
to throw other teams off the scent.
Of the scent of what? What "smoke screen"? What good would "pretending" we might draft Tebow do?
It doesn't matter what other teams think we will draft. Nothing they can do about it. Nothing we can do about the picks that come before ours, or after. Every has their board assembled and will take who's available when they are on the clock.
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Just saw Jim Kelly in a music video on Great American Country channel.
He has about a 3 second cameo, holding a football.
Artist: Diamond Rio
Song: In God we still Trust
Thought it was pretty cool to see Jimbo on TV this morning!
GO BILLS!!!
Is this how a man raises a billion dollars?
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No one celebrates their new contract with the Bills, so I doubt Porter would have been a problem if we had picked him up....
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Simply not true. Check my post above. Peters was missed a great deal. Even though we improved the middle of the line, the huge weakness of the OL in 2008, and improved it a good deal, the OL was much worse. That is the "Losing Peters" effect.
Dead on point, actually.
The only argument that you have (and it's the one I was replying to) was that the Bills as a team didn't do better with Peters than without him, we were still a bad team. True. But if you say that it's OK to jettison guys because with them on the team, the team didn't do better, then that clearly means everyone on this team, which got measurably worse this year, can be jettisoned because they didn't make a difference. Including Byrd.
Sorry, Astro. Your thread was very worthwhile, and though I'm not the one who changed its path, I probably should have resisted the impulse to keep talking about Peters. Sorry.
I'm not a fan of taking Spiller, but your stuff here was thought--provoking.
Let's try again. If the O-line was "much worse" after JP left, how do you quantify this? Is it because you say it is? I gave you the results---what part of the offensive performance is "much worse"?
Go look up the performance of the defense against the pass last year versus this year. It is not "measurably worse" (what are you measuring???)--in fact it is better. So why would I want to dump Byrd?
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Collie <-- Manning
Harvin <-- Favre
Nicks <-- Manning
Knox <-- Cutler
Crabtree <-- Smith
ok, Crabtree gets a flier, but look at the guys throwing to the rest of your All-Rookie group
IMO, Evans would crush all of them with an equivalent QB and decent OL
The poster's assumption was that "rookie WRs tend to suck their first year". The implication is that Hardy can't be expected to do well at this point because of this assumption.
I pointed out that this is not true. Saying the referenced rookies had better QBs isn't a controversial statement, but that's a different topic.
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Oh, so we can now get rid of anybody on the team last year too because the team sucked, right? Let's trade Byrd, after all, we sucked even with him, so he must not be worth keeping.
Wow, your clearly miss the point of this discussion.
Simply, Peters or no Peters, the result was the same. Identically. He wasn't missed.
Take all the arguing and posturing and this is what it boils down to.
Byrd was a key part of a significantly improved pass defense, of that there is no question. And last I heard, he was not biting the hand that feeds (or overfeeds in JP's case) him.
Your example is way off point.
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Well according to that article the tape showed Big Ben with the girl at about the time the girl said it happened. And ESPN just said basically the same thing on Sportscenter. So I dont know how in th world that would help Ben
"Cansino said a member of Roethlisberger's entourage recorded his own video inside the nightclub, where the quarterback and eight to 10 friends went to celebrate his 28th birthday. According to Cansino, the footage shows Roethlisberger with his accuser around the time of the incident."
Don't know that anybody is disputing that BR and the woman were in proximity at that time. So not sure how that tape would have hurt him--especially if his own tape shows the same thing.
What is your point?
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LOL! How do you figure he "played" me? Because of those laughable reports about how he was shot at or the bogus sexual assault claim by "a crazy woman" when he was in college? Because, you see, his "hit and run" actually turned out to be an accident (still waiting for something, ANYTHING, to prove otherwise, doc). And believing the "we saw and smelled pot but didn't charge him because he didn't admit it was his" is the kind of gullibility that kids have in believing in the existence of the tooth fairy. But since he didn't talk and didn't fight the pot NON-charge (nothing was going to get him off the gun charge, obviously) it made him guilty of those? No, you haven't been played; you're just played out, doc.
No doubt you have some explanation for the video tape/DVD of BR from that night that mysteriously got erased. No doubt it would have exonerated him (like it actually did with Lynch during that "hit and run").
Again, no one but you is claiming the cops lied about the pot. Without it even you say there would be no grounds for search. Yet you claim that the gun search/charge was inevitable. You make no sense. Or pretend not to--just can't understand why. You understood my explanation of why they didn't bother with a weed charge. It was pretty straightforward.
A small amount of weed means nothing to the cops---they just used it as their way into the trunk where their suspicions were confirmed. That's what their looking for buddy.
I don't know about any women's bathroom QB rape video being erased. But as time goes by, any evidence in this case may go the way of that in the ML hit and run case.
You've fallen into the same hole again.
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1) When did Peters pull himself out of games? Not saying it didn't happen and I wouldn't be surprised for someone who missed all of the off season and was recovering from groin surgery.
2) Did you see Favre's numbers and how he turned the Jets around until his biceps tendon gave out on him 2/3s of the way through the year? Probowl voting happens well before the end of the season by the way.
3) I doubt either of us have figures that show that half the people think Peters is bad. That being said in the hypercritical western ny community of Buffalo and the surrounding cities and towns you have a lot of blue collar joe the plumber types who are pissed that the guy wouldn't play at a huge discount making a **** load more money than they will ever see in their lives. FANS who love or hate him have absolutely nothing to do with how good he actually is. Fan approval or disapproval is WAY WAY WAY more subjective and meaningless than the pro bowl who many disagree with when a guy they hate makes it there.
Favre's numbers were not great (certainly not "the best" as the Pro Bowl demands) prior to his injury. They were awful after. Yet his numbers were outstanding this year, depsite playing with a rotator cuff tear.
Perhaps you aren't aware that the fan vote is 1/3 of the Pro Bowl vote. Fan voting continues until right before Christmas. There are a lot of Jets fans in New York. Pretty simple.
You think WNY is hypercritical of its sports teams? Have you lived in downstate? How about Philly? Chicago? It's a big world--go see it.
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People are insane. Rookie WR tend to suck their first year. He got hurt towards the end of his rookie year causing him to be on PUP for most of the season last year. Of course he hasn't done anything.
give him a break and you might actually see something this year.
Wrong.
This year alone:
Collie, Harvin, Maclin, Nicks, Knox, even Crabtree all had more catches than Evans.
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Let's look at it indeed.
LT Jason Peters (Pro Bowl)
LG Andy Levitre
C Jeff Hangartner
RG Brad Butler (in his natural NFL position)
RT Langston Walker (Very serviceable career RT who was a road grader in the run game)
VS
LT (Revolving door practice squad chumps)
LG Andy Levitre
C Jeff Hangartner
RG Eric Wood (Sorry but take a look at the news. Ahead of schedule but may not be ready Week 1)
RT Brad Butler (Ouch I got hurt again this time even early trying to play above my head at RT)
So ya ...look at what we would have had. This year instead of spending #9 to replace our revolving door with one that can remember the snap count and keep a few bandits out we could be looking at a dynamic play maker. So why was getting rid of Peters good???............"huh?.....what?....oh, that's right. Forgot. "
Well, since you seem to be enamoured by "the measurement", look at the offensive performance of the Bills with Peters at his "best" (his '07 Pro Bowl year) and their performance this past season.
I'll make it fun for you: which is 2007 and which is 2009?
total offense rank 30/ypg 277/points 252/rushing 1800 yds (15th)/passing 2634 yds (30th)
total offense rank 30/ypg 273/points 258/rushing 1867 yds (16th)/passing 2515 yds (30th)
Do you like the ruler now?
Look, the Bills could have picked Oher last year. He would have easily replaced Peters. They didn't. They may yet pick up "a dynamic play maker" in the first round in this year's draft and pick an LT in a later round. Maybe they'll find another massive TE and turn him into a "Pro Bowl LT".
But as for the negative impact of JP's absence on the passing and running game of the Bills....it doesn't exist.
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People seem to have forgotten that Peters was under contract as a RT!!! That is of PARAMOUNT importance. They gave Peters a modest RT contract after realizing as coach Mouse McNally said that Peters was a rare talent. If I am not mistaken he also made mention of hall of fame Anthony Munoz a former TE. As his star was rising we moved him to LT where he played for 2 and a half years making the pro bowl twice and STILL PAID AS A RT!!!! If you get a huge promotion at work and don't get the pay check to go with it you are an idiot. I can't blame Peters for doing the same thing any of us would.
Peters was not over paid as as people have forgotten had a string of injuries and off season groin surgery. As you say no one could predict the injury. Everyone seems to forget that although Peters wasn't his absolute best due to injury he was still a probowler.
Also I am so sick of whiny people saying the pro bowl means nothing. Your opinion means nothing if you can't recognize being acknowledge by players, coaches and GMs for being the best at your position stands for something. Don't question the ruler if you don't like the measurement.
So lets get this straight.........
1) No name meaning less person in forum thinks Peters is over rated.
1) Players, coaches and GMs think he is one of the best and voted him to pro bowl
Therefore
3) 3 consecutive Probowl nominations and the opinion of actual NFL players, coaches and GMs mean nothing and the pro bowl is a popularity contest.
Is that what you really expect intelligent fans to believe???????
Come on---the Pro Bowl? Hey, who was one of best QBs in the AFC 2 seasons ago? Well, you and your Pro Bowl "rulers" thought it was none other than......Brett Favre for the Jets!
Look, any reasonable fan can see that many Pro Bowl picks are obviously solid, yet more than a few each year are obviously not. You can't use this somewhat arbitrary "meassurement" as an argument--it hurts you.
Here's a good rule of thumb: if half the fans think a guy is pretty good and the other half thinks he sucks, how good can he really be?
You would be hard-pressed to convince many that our offense took a nosedive after Peters left.
Also, as Biscuit pointed out, Woods has a broken leg! Pulling yourself out of games because you are short of breath because you are out of shape is not an "injury". Never finishing a full season because you are out of shape routinely fall apart before week 17 is not like broken leg.
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I love BOTH of our RBs. If we had an OL that could open a freakin hole and a QB that presented a deep threat these guys would be the talk of the NFL. That being said CJ Spiller is my kind of RB. A guy offcially with 4.3 and unofficially 4.2 speed who is a shifty dynamic play maker. Just like QB. There are many ways to be successful but just like a QB with a canon for a throwing arm I LOVE RBs with speed. Speed Speed and more speed. Our guys are 4.4 4.5 fast. This guy is potentially 4.2 fast. This guy brings play making ability to the rushing game, the passing game and special teams.
Imagine if we didn't get rid of Peters and didn't have an enormous gapping hole at LT. We would be falling all over ourselves at the opportunity to draft best player available and potentially get Claussen, Spiller or Bryant or others!!! Imagine trading down a few spots, getting an additional pick and still getting one of those 3.
Ya....we are better for the Peters trade....RIIIIIIIIGHT! I like the rookies we got but basically we gave a way a proven, now 3 time probowl, LT and got in return an OG with a severly broken leg that might not ever be the same or be ready for the regular season and a TE that couldn't crack the starting line up. WAY TO GO FRONT OFFICE!!!!!!
Yeah! Imagine what our offense would be like WITH Peters at LT an..........huh?.....what?....oh, that's right. Forgot.
Well, we can pretend we were great back then, can't we?
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"Bob Marley died from emphisema and puffed about 6-10 joints a day, did it kill him? IDHK but he did die from a lung disease."
Just wanted to clarify as there is enough speculation and misinformation on both sides on this topic.
Robert Nesta Marley Died 5/11/1981 cause melanoma.
The cancer originated in his big toe. The way of the Rastafarian does not accept amputation and the cancer spread from his toe to his liver, lungs and finally his brain.
Like Mr. Marley's belief that medical doctors were con men who convinced the weak that they had powerful witchcraft.
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"Driving while under the influence of weed?" LOL! Desperation much, doc? The cops stated that the "sight and smell of pot" is what led them to search his car, not the felonious missing plates. And even after finding the gun, there wasn't even a hint of charging him with DWUIW. Hell they didn't even charge him for possessing pot, which makes the allegation (and that's purely what it was) only pertinent to gullible people like you ("he plum just woudn't admit it was his, Roscoe!"). So you see, if pot is legal, there's no need to search his car. But they used a BS excuse, found a gun, and he got punished by the law. That's where it should have ended.
One time is possibly an accident, twice is a trend, doc. Although I'm sure that Big Ben (who I like, believe it or not) is just being unfairly targeted, compared to every other QB, not to mention player, in the NFL, most of whom haven't even been charged ONCE with sexual misconduct.
And as the "sit down" with Lynch proved, Sir Roger doesn't need a real charge to have that talk and explain that a player is responsible for his actions and/or putting himself in bad situations. Hell if Big Ben were a Bill, you'd have been screaming for his head.
Alcohol is legal, but not while operating a car, so the point you pretend to be missing is that the smoking of weed in the vehicle is enough to arouse the righteous suspicion of the cops, just as if they saw this suspicious vehicle full of 40-guzzling citizens. California, like most states has an open container law. Same law also applies to having weed in the car, let alone smoking it. There will never be a law legalizing smoking weed in a car, sport.
Gullible?--you are the only person who believes the weed wasn't in the car. Neither Lynch nor his lawyer disputed or challenged this report, despite it being grounds for tossing the search if it was "made up by the cops". They didn't charge him or anyone else likely because a) they couldn't establish possession and, b) most likely the amount was less than an ounce and not worth a charge and c) once they struck paydirt in the trunk, the couple of doobs on the floor were rendered inconsequential.
We've been over all of these undisputed bits in the past, yet you pretend not to understand a very straightforward case---going so far as to suggest that some law leagalizing pot would, tortuously, tangentially, have validated your ill conceived support of Lynch in a case that even his team through in the towel on.
As for BR, Goodell did not sit down with Lynch until after he hit a woman with his car after a night visiting bars and then refused to cooperate with a police investigation for a month ("just a few simple questions, Mr. Lynch. You've got nothing to worry about, right?") until the cops were showing up at an NFL team office handing out grand jury subpoenas to representatives of the Bills and the NFL itself.
Look, the Commish is going to sit down with BR----with no charges pending or found against him. It's unprecedented and against what his often stated policy has been. What, exactly, is your problem now? Big Ben has, to this point, only been guilty of indiscretion. If he assualted this girl in Georgia we will all know soon enough and he's finished. You know the other allegation is false, yet you keep bringing it up.
Lynch played you. Get over it. You're sounding like one of those women who marry prisoners thinking you can turn them around. It's...unbecoming.
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I have two words regarding O-linemen in the Pro Bowl: RUBEN...BROWN. 'nuff said.
PTR
By all acoounts, it was because of his fantastic barbeque.
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"What it means to be a Bill...said Fred Smerlas ...."I have nothing but good memories of playing for the Bills. It's something I cherish. When I was playing for the Pats, I'd wear a Bills T-shirt under my uniform."
Jim Haslett 1984...on the team's unpopularity: "I have five dogs. They are the only people in Buffalo who like me."
excerpt from Jim Haslett stepped on Terry Bradshaw's head
Wow, that sounds like pretty harsh criticism of Buffalo and its fans.
My google search didn't turn up much.
Anybody got a link to those youtube clips? Or all the other Smerlas digs at Buff?
Bradford's workout leaves crowd in awe.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Troy Aikman's "private Cowboy workout"?
Hmmm.