Mr. WEO
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A coach gets two years here? That could not be more wrong. Ralph had already offered Mularkey another year after his second, but he quit. Gregg Williams got three years. Wade Phillips got three years and was offered a fourth if he fired Ronnie Jones, and before that was Marv.
The last coach who got two years or less was Hank Bullough who was fired in 1986.
As for expecting to win 8 this year, well, good luck with that.
I agree. Williams and DJ should never have been brought back for their 3rd seasons.
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Like Dan Snyder?
Actually he is like Snyder--when both open up their wallets, they waste money in a spectacular fashion.
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Nate was very easily replaced, however i dont think winfield is. Winfield is a great cover guy and a tremendous tackler. Winfield is not overrated at all, he was and still is in the top five corners in the nfl. He sticks to the receivers like glue, and when he does get beat he tackles them better than any corner in the league. He is the best corner tackler in the league.
Winfield was hardly a "great cover guy"--covered in butter and jelly, maybe. Yeah, a great tackler, but you don't pay a CB to cover the run.
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You'd have taken Flacco in 2008? You mean you heard of him before he was drafted? Surprising. The Bills wouldn't have, since they still thought Edwards had a future at that time.
BTW, Flacco was 15th in yards and TD passes. I don't know what you consider "above average," but I agree he's "above Boller and Smith."
Hmmm. Let's try again.
I would take an above average QB (via the draft, trade, whatever) over a great NT simply because the direct impact on team performance between the 2 positions is orders of magnitude apart. I can't restate it any simpler than this.
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Look, as far as qbs go for this franchise I am not worried.
Nix: Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees
Gailey: Dynamic offenses even with mediocre QBs.
We are set. May take a few years though.
Can we at least stop with the kudos for Nix "drafting" Rivers?
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Ah, so now you've changed it from from "great" to "greatest." Okay. Let's say someone like Ngata. Remember him? The guy you didn't want the Bills to draft in 2006?
Flacco benefits from having Ngata on defense and having a great defense and running game. Ryan didn't look so good without his running game. They've both been in the league just 2 years, so whether they're "above average" is still largely unknown. And in Ryan's case, the Bills had no shot at him (the same with Palmer and McNabb, although they allegedly tried to trade for him and he said no). McNabb and Palmer I'd consider better than "above average," unless by "above average" you mean anything better than average, in which case Pro Bowl players would qualify.
Are you saying that Clausen is "above average?"
Ngata is one guy on a very good defense. I'm sure Flacco loves them all.
The Ravens are much better off because Flacco (who is an above average QB to this point, I'm comfortable saying) is QB as opposed to Troy Smith or Kyle Boller than they are because Ngata is NT as opposed to some other guy.This should be intuitive.
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I think the main thing is in the whole 9 vs 41 vs not at all debate -- as a coach and gm, any qb taken in the first two rounds you sink or swim with. If you believe in a qb, you take him at 9 even if hes rated lower, if you dont believe hes your franchise, you dont take him at 41 either, even if its value.
A guy like Troupe wont be your own career on the line, a guy like claussen is.... so if you dont want to hitch your wagon to him, you just have to stay away unless he somehow falls to 3 or later (see edwards here, or mccoy in cleveland) and suddenly its not a make or break pick.
So you pick an NT in order to safeguard your career as GM? That's great--real bold. if he's anything but frankly awful, he can chug along at NT and no one will notice or say much.
Sweet!
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Why would you ask me to explain why we didn't resign Clements, when you don't think we should have? Here's your post:
"And im glad we got rid of clements, the 49ers overpaid him and he is not the same lock down corner as he was when he was with the bills."
But then earlier you said this:
"I just think Ralph can do much more to help this team. Look at Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield. Two great corners, and Ralph wouldnt resign them. Why? Because they were too much money. Dont get me wrong, terrence mcgee and leodis mckelvin are great and i love them way more than nate and antoine but come on. At the time they were the best cornerback duo in the game and he wouldnt resign them. Thats being cheap."
You're saying you love Mcgee and McKelvin more than Winfield and Clements. Which is it? You define contradiction.
Can't fault Ralphus for not resigning either one of those two---totally overrated, easily replaced.
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Maybe someone smarter than I on the subject can answer this.....
Why doesnt Ralph just sell the team to his children for $1. Then, whenever he does pass, he wont pay any taxes because he wont be the owner of the team. This is no different than a child buying an elderly parents home for $1 then allowing the parent to live there until they pass. Why is this not an option?
Simple. The NFL/owners would never approve the sale at that price.
Also, By not selling the team this year, Ralph made another $35 million. His plan to avoid capital gains is simply to never sell the team. He won't care how much tax is due when he's dead.
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No, what I'm saying is that finding a better NT than a "great one" is a lot more difficult than finding a better QB than "an above average one." Although it depends on who (playing now) you would consider "above average." Although whether Clausen is even an average, much less above average, QB remains to be seen.
I'll take "above average QBs" Flacco, Ryan, McNabb, Palmer...
You can have the "greatest NT" in the league--whoever you feel that is (how can you tell?). Y
I think you prove how opinions die hard. You convince yourself that Clausen was so good, and when reality shows he's not even going to make an NFL roster you still cling to the ideas that he's something special. What is the difference between you and the people making draft decisions for the Bills pre-Nix?PTR
Wow, Clausen's not even going to make a roster? Is that not your "diehard opinion"? When did "reality show" he's not going to make a roster?
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Few others would. A great NT is the key to a good 3-4 and you won't find anyone better. The same isn't true for "an above average QB."
We won't find anyone better than our first round draft pick at NT?
Anyway, an above average QB (we don't have one and have for 10 years, by the way) is good for more than a few wins a year. An NT? Come on! Of course he is key to the 3-4, but his direct impact isn't comparable to QB.
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I must have missed it, but who has said any other player was dogging it last year? Outside of possibly the 3rd ball Lynch? The answer is: no one.
Plenty of people at this site have said that he was dogging it. This is a discussion about TO, so other names haven't, that I recall, come into the conversation. You could start a thread such as.."who else was dogging it besides TO last year?". That's probably the most direct way to get an accurate answer to your question--if that's what your looking for.
Again doc, his 55 catches for 829 yards and 6 TD's by themselves, nevermind the putridity of the offense, say that his career is far from "over." And he was the #2 WR on the team. Sure "someone had to lead the team in receiving," just like "someone had to win the SB." But it wasn't anyone else. So while he may have gotten lazy at times, he still outproduced everyone on offense except for Fred Jackson, who got a hell of a lot more chances. What does that say about everyone else? I think you know the answer.So he may have gotten lazy at times but he wasn't dogging it. OK. I'll let you rest on that hair splitting job. He was the "#2 WR on the team" and the leading receiver? OK. Anyway, metaphorically speaking, it would be more accurate to say "someone of our three RBs will be our leading RB this season (likely at the expense of last year's leading RB)".
Hey, crappy Trent Edwards did better throwing to Evans in '08 than anybody did in '09. Oh, that's right---it's because we had such a better O-line in '08 (I hardly remember you feeling that way at the time) and a top notch OC (ditto).
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The defense looked depressed and listless (probably because of the play of the offense; and no need for quotations bud, I'm as much of a doctor as you) in the 4th quarter, while the offense looked like crap all season long. But the underlying point is that to claim that TO was the only one dogging-it on offense is laughable. And at least it's an explanation for less-than-ideal production, versus lack of talent ("passionate" play only gets you so far). The only other player who played well on offense was Jackson, but if we take away his best game...
Who says that TO was the only player dogging it?
Oh, I get it---you made that up in order to redirect your argument successfully.
Check.
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I consider an expert...& someone who's opinion is worth listening to, as someone who's been there - done that. Terry Bradshaw's opinion is good enuf for me. Talking heads are a dime a dozen. I've wrapped myself around Spiller & Troup & look forward to seeing what they can do. I've listened to Clausen & he seems like he's got a few loose screws. Give me a solid, stable thinker & talker for my QB, before analyzing his abilities. Chances are a goofy kid will make goofy decisions.
You mean like...Terry Bradshaw?
Time will tell about Calusen, but I would take "an above average QB" over a great NT any day.
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Good points. It's obvious by the awesome production from the offense that they were happy and motivated, and giving it their all on every play. Only to be brought down by TO. Who doesn't hate to lose; he just hates his QB's.
I thought elements of the defense played very well---didn't seem depressed at all. As for the offense, Jackson played well--he didn't seem to me to be depressed or listless. Even Fitz seemed to play with passion as opposed to "listlessness" (you're a "doctor", perhaps you can help us understand this claim by the other poster). Lynch was a supernumerary testicle---not depressed. More likely a personality disorder combined with subnormal IQ.
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Dilfer didn't lose. Flutie did, in often aggravating fashion. The Titans would have made the mighty midget look silly.
You mean like 10 completions, 6 sacks and 2 (lost) fumbles and 0 TDs? Or did you mean "sillier".
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That is news to me. Can you provide a link to those comments? Nice try...thanks for your input.
Clearly it's news to you.
But here you go....
(hint: if you can read the headline, you don't have to read the rest)
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It bothers me when people on here say T.O. took plays off and didn't try here. If you're watching T.V. you see T.O. on only small percentage of the plays, since the cameras can't show all 11 players complete their full routes.
I filmed for a college team last year, and if I learned on thing it was that coaches are so damn busy watching the how the play unfolds they don't have time to breath let alone individually evaluate players. That is why they spend until 10pm every night of the season going back over tape of previous games and grading how each player executed each play.
If you have access to those tapes I'll listen to you. Other than that, you can't tell me you get a true indicator of a guys performance when you see him 1 out of every 4 plays on your glorious 50-inch plasma, and please don't tell me you can see it in the stadium surrounded by 50000 drunk 20 year olds screaming better than a coach in a silent booth with binoculars.
Another thing, during the Colts game last year, I loved to see T.O. play around in the snow, and get up on the Bills bench, stand towards the crowd and get them into it when the team was on defense. I don't know how many people know this, but after the game, T.O and George Wilson both made complete laps around the stadium shaking hands of the fans that were left, they both bypassed the tunnel to get out of the cold and made sure to get every fan that was left in the stadium.
T.O then went and took that huge Bills flag they wave around after scores and ran around the field with it, eventually running it off with it into the tunnel and into Bills history. There were only a few dozen fans left in the seats by this time. With the way the players of both teams and the fans wanted out of their and into someplace warm, I thought that was a pretty cool thing for him to do.
Is he slowing down? Probably. Is he too expensive? Probably was. Would he have been a 1000 yard receiver in a semi-decent offense? Probably. Everyone on this team was depressed and listless last year. Do we need to resign him? *shrug* Who knows. We just need more players like him who feed off of the competition and hate losing.
It's nice that TO would say goodbye to the fans after the last home game. It is a classy move.
But to say that "everyone on this team was depressed and listless" is nonesense--a completely made up notion you are hoping will support your belief that TO ran every route hard, never gave up and was completely misjudged by some Bills fans.
TO hates losing? Where did you read that?
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.....or maybe not
Touche! Sorry, it's hard to resist with ol' "doc".
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Eh the haters will hate I guess. As already stated it is 99% unlikely that Troy Smith will end up in Buffalo I know. The point is Ed Reed believes that he is more than a back up and is capable of leading a team to a champion ship. So to sum up.
Ed Reed, probowl professional football player who has seen Troy Smith every day for all team activities for the past 3+ years says that he is capable.
Buffalo Bills forum members, he sucks he will never be anything and isn't as good as what we have.
Some may call me arrogant but you chose who's opinion you would listen to. Like Leonidas likes to point out about considering the source. Are you going to listen to some nameless, faceless schmuck with his hat on backwards typing away on an internet forum or a professional football player of the highest caliber has worked side by side with and seen the Troy Smith's game from the Safety position for 3+ years?
You decide. *sheesh*
The entire coaching staff of Troy Smith's current team disagrees with Ed Reed.
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A better one is "someone had to catch those passes."
No statement is truer. And someone will replace TO as the Bills #1 this year, just as he temporarily displaced Evans last year. You can change the name of your primary receiver--that player is still going to catch most of your passes-whether it's 40, 55 or 100.
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I am optimistic for the direction the team is going to be taking under Nix and Gailey but like any other realist I am deeply concerned about the LT and QB position. Our plan at LT is apparently to try to hit the lottery and turn another UDFA or 7th round pick into a probowl LT. Good luck with that. Really, good luck with that. I hope somebody steps up.
QB is even more or a gamble. I get that they want to give the guys they have a chance in a real system with real coaching but the cupboard looks pretty bare. Even if 1 of the three candidates can step up mentally I am not overly impressed with any of them physically. Brohm is probably the best thing we have from a physical perspective and might have the best of a group of mediocre arms.
That being said I just can't agree with Nix/Gailey about not bringing another to guy to compete at the QB position. I think we really screwed the pooch on Jason Campbell as he has already in an even worse situation in Washington outperformed the motley crue we have. Troy Smith is another guy that could come in to compete. What is the worst that could happen? He PROVES that he is better than the fodder we have. How could that be a bad thing? His team mates and seem to think that he is more than just a back up.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ed-than-bulger/
When does it stop?
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It's only because Whitner wasn't being utilized properly.
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Speaking of which, here is an article I found:
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...g_4357847.shtml
So the owners were ready to opt-out just 5 months (if not less) after they approved it. Amazing how they knew the economy was going to collapse that far in advance!
And I'm still waiting to hear how Ms. Shpeley's lawyer proved his assertion that Lynch was drunk that night.
Look, doc, I don't know what else to tell you. The owners accepted the CBA because they thought it was in their best interest. They obviously thought a lockout in 07 was not in their best interests--especially a guy like Jones or Johnson or MAra, who had huge stadium projects soon to break ground. If it was split down the middle, I would give your argument (whatever it is besides they were stupid) some weight. But I would say the majority of these guys wanted a deal to continue football. They dumped it--as was their right in a negotiated clause---when it was in their best interests to do so.
As for ol' Ralphie---well, you won't defend your position other than to endlessly restate it ("he could have moved at any time and made more money")--ignoring evidence that refutes it--or to hide behind the opinions of others. You can't clearly describe when, where and why. "Anytime" and "anywhere" are not real answers.
It's "ironic" that you paint me as the one who sees only "black or white", yet you are consistently here with simple monolithic positions such as "the CBA must have been a mistake since the owners opted out" (yeah, plenty of nuance there) or the above "Ralph could have moved", or that JJ can be trusted when he speaks about CG--but not any other time, or that covert booze smuggler Lynch could not have been drunk on the night he went partying into the wee hours on the nite he hit a pedestrian with his car and didn't even notice, or...
Anyway, I've given up waiting. I agree with others that this is futile.
Ralph isn't cheap!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Never said or even implied he did.
But hey, you've cut down another straw man!