Mr. WEO
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Good points. It's obvious by the awesome production from the offense that they were happy and motivated, and giving it their all on every play. Only to be brought down by TO. Who doesn't hate to lose; he just hates his QB's.
I thought elements of the defense played very well---didn't seem depressed at all. As for the offense, Jackson played well--he didn't seem to me to be depressed or listless. Even Fitz seemed to play with passion as opposed to "listlessness" (you're a "doctor", perhaps you can help us understand this claim by the other poster). Lynch was a supernumerary testicle---not depressed. More likely a personality disorder combined with subnormal IQ.
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Dilfer didn't lose. Flutie did, in often aggravating fashion. The Titans would have made the mighty midget look silly.
You mean like 10 completions, 6 sacks and 2 (lost) fumbles and 0 TDs? Or did you mean "sillier".
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That is news to me. Can you provide a link to those comments? Nice try...thanks for your input.
Clearly it's news to you.
But here you go....
(hint: if you can read the headline, you don't have to read the rest)
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It bothers me when people on here say T.O. took plays off and didn't try here. If you're watching T.V. you see T.O. on only small percentage of the plays, since the cameras can't show all 11 players complete their full routes.
I filmed for a college team last year, and if I learned on thing it was that coaches are so damn busy watching the how the play unfolds they don't have time to breath let alone individually evaluate players. That is why they spend until 10pm every night of the season going back over tape of previous games and grading how each player executed each play.
If you have access to those tapes I'll listen to you. Other than that, you can't tell me you get a true indicator of a guys performance when you see him 1 out of every 4 plays on your glorious 50-inch plasma, and please don't tell me you can see it in the stadium surrounded by 50000 drunk 20 year olds screaming better than a coach in a silent booth with binoculars.
Another thing, during the Colts game last year, I loved to see T.O. play around in the snow, and get up on the Bills bench, stand towards the crowd and get them into it when the team was on defense. I don't know how many people know this, but after the game, T.O and George Wilson both made complete laps around the stadium shaking hands of the fans that were left, they both bypassed the tunnel to get out of the cold and made sure to get every fan that was left in the stadium.
T.O then went and took that huge Bills flag they wave around after scores and ran around the field with it, eventually running it off with it into the tunnel and into Bills history. There were only a few dozen fans left in the seats by this time. With the way the players of both teams and the fans wanted out of their and into someplace warm, I thought that was a pretty cool thing for him to do.
Is he slowing down? Probably. Is he too expensive? Probably was. Would he have been a 1000 yard receiver in a semi-decent offense? Probably. Everyone on this team was depressed and listless last year. Do we need to resign him? *shrug* Who knows. We just need more players like him who feed off of the competition and hate losing.
It's nice that TO would say goodbye to the fans after the last home game. It is a classy move.
But to say that "everyone on this team was depressed and listless" is nonesense--a completely made up notion you are hoping will support your belief that TO ran every route hard, never gave up and was completely misjudged by some Bills fans.
TO hates losing? Where did you read that?
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.....or maybe not
Touche! Sorry, it's hard to resist with ol' "doc".
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Eh the haters will hate I guess. As already stated it is 99% unlikely that Troy Smith will end up in Buffalo I know. The point is Ed Reed believes that he is more than a back up and is capable of leading a team to a champion ship. So to sum up.
Ed Reed, probowl professional football player who has seen Troy Smith every day for all team activities for the past 3+ years says that he is capable.
Buffalo Bills forum members, he sucks he will never be anything and isn't as good as what we have.
Some may call me arrogant but you chose who's opinion you would listen to. Like Leonidas likes to point out about considering the source. Are you going to listen to some nameless, faceless schmuck with his hat on backwards typing away on an internet forum or a professional football player of the highest caliber has worked side by side with and seen the Troy Smith's game from the Safety position for 3+ years?
You decide. *sheesh*
The entire coaching staff of Troy Smith's current team disagrees with Ed Reed.
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A better one is "someone had to catch those passes."
No statement is truer. And someone will replace TO as the Bills #1 this year, just as he temporarily displaced Evans last year. You can change the name of your primary receiver--that player is still going to catch most of your passes-whether it's 40, 55 or 100.
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I am optimistic for the direction the team is going to be taking under Nix and Gailey but like any other realist I am deeply concerned about the LT and QB position. Our plan at LT is apparently to try to hit the lottery and turn another UDFA or 7th round pick into a probowl LT. Good luck with that. Really, good luck with that. I hope somebody steps up.
QB is even more or a gamble. I get that they want to give the guys they have a chance in a real system with real coaching but the cupboard looks pretty bare. Even if 1 of the three candidates can step up mentally I am not overly impressed with any of them physically. Brohm is probably the best thing we have from a physical perspective and might have the best of a group of mediocre arms.
That being said I just can't agree with Nix/Gailey about not bringing another to guy to compete at the QB position. I think we really screwed the pooch on Jason Campbell as he has already in an even worse situation in Washington outperformed the motley crue we have. Troy Smith is another guy that could come in to compete. What is the worst that could happen? He PROVES that he is better than the fodder we have. How could that be a bad thing? His team mates and seem to think that he is more than just a back up.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ed-than-bulger/
When does it stop?
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It's only because Whitner wasn't being utilized properly.
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Speaking of which, here is an article I found:
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...g_4357847.shtml
So the owners were ready to opt-out just 5 months (if not less) after they approved it. Amazing how they knew the economy was going to collapse that far in advance!
And I'm still waiting to hear how Ms. Shpeley's lawyer proved his assertion that Lynch was drunk that night.
Look, doc, I don't know what else to tell you. The owners accepted the CBA because they thought it was in their best interest. They obviously thought a lockout in 07 was not in their best interests--especially a guy like Jones or Johnson or MAra, who had huge stadium projects soon to break ground. If it was split down the middle, I would give your argument (whatever it is besides they were stupid) some weight. But I would say the majority of these guys wanted a deal to continue football. They dumped it--as was their right in a negotiated clause---when it was in their best interests to do so.
As for ol' Ralphie---well, you won't defend your position other than to endlessly restate it ("he could have moved at any time and made more money")--ignoring evidence that refutes it--or to hide behind the opinions of others. You can't clearly describe when, where and why. "Anytime" and "anywhere" are not real answers.
It's "ironic" that you paint me as the one who sees only "black or white", yet you are consistently here with simple monolithic positions such as "the CBA must have been a mistake since the owners opted out" (yeah, plenty of nuance there) or the above "Ralph could have moved", or that JJ can be trusted when he speaks about CG--but not any other time, or that covert booze smuggler Lynch could not have been drunk on the night he went partying into the wee hours on the nite he hit a pedestrian with his car and didn't even notice, or...
Anyway, I've given up waiting. I agree with others that this is futile.
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Now I see what you mean John Wawrow. I've given this guy point after point after point after point, to show my opinion, and he doesn't understand how anyone can say "Ralph isn't cheap". Argghhh, I think admitting you're a youngster has a lot to do with your comprehension.
I don't think Ralph is cheap (obviously), but that's my opinion. I have some facts that I believe back up my beliefs. But I can certainly understand the other side of the argument even though I disagree. For anyone to not understand the other side of the debate is just... how can I say? Adolescent.
For the record, I'm refuting the "Ralph could have moved anytime and made more money" argument. Not the "cheap" stuff.....lol
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Here doc, let me help you understand the other message in jw's post:
Now let's see. Who should I (or anyone else not named WEO, for that matter) believe?
So it's best to "agree to disagree". That's OK, given what you've said to this point. Your "beliefs" are well documented.
Until the next time!
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Read jw's post (I'm assuming you didn't read it yet), doc. It pretty much says it all.
Read it. jw's checking in to tell us he doesn't want to participate in the debate.
Uhhh, ok. Thanks jw.
Anyway, doc, I believe I understand your position being that Ralph could have moved the team at any time despite his stadium demands being consistently met and despite consistently outperforming (financially only) the moved/expansion teams you mention. I've heard you. Your logic speaks for itself, as always.
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Yep. CIN talked with him a couple of months ago, now he and his agent have evidently become persistent pests. TO certainly dripping with money, but if he can con somebody into forking over several millions to him, he would be happy to take the checks.
So far no takers, but the NFL is show biz, and some clubs' marketing man might think it would jazz up ticket sales.
Who is that desperate?
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Sorry but 55 catches for 829 yards and 6 TD's says otherwise. Continuing to claim he's at the end of his career after coming off a season like that, in a putrid offense no less, is silly.
Well then why is it that he still doesn't have a job? Surely the GMs aren't influenced by some made up stories in the press....
He wants too much money? How can that be? I doubt he wants more than the 6.5 mil the Bills paid him last year--and that was a bargain right? For all the relevance he brings?
What was your position on this one again?
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Yeah. I pointed out that Gailey was wrong, for whatever reason. He was. I was right.
If pointing out that someone was wrong is a semantic argument, I guess my argument was semantic. He expressed himself in words and he was wrong. Of course, pretty much everyone expresses themselves in words, so that would make every argument semantic. Whatever. Gailey was wrong about Bell's status in that quote, I assume from absent-mindedness or that he just misspoke. But he was wrong.
To which I would say that this has nothing to do with anything I said, and I don't really care. Why are you shovelling this at me? Is it really in response to my joke? The rest of that post was pretty clearly a joke, I thought. Was it really that opaque to you?
An eternal question for doc.
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Someone will sign him. And 31 other GM's were wrong about Moss when he was with Oakland, so, it happens.
The 31 GMs knew he wasn't washed up, but in his prime. They didn't want to deal with his attitude.
The 32 GMs, thus far, and per his own claim, are not concerned about his personality disorder. They think he's at the end of his career.
There's a difference, you know.
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This is based on youtube videos?
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Nice!
I'm guessing that Nix and CG feel the same way, given what we've got at LT so far.
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Every new/relocation city I mentioned was at least 10 years AFTER the stadium was built. And if you recall, Ralph demanded stadium improvements and club seats be sold, before he'd sign a new lease in 1998.
And you were the one that said that the NFL isn't a money-making machine and that ALL the owners are making money hand over fist. So relocating wouldn't exactly be a risk, would it? And if it were, several owners took that risk.
The owners that moved wanted new stadiums. Ralph got one. What's hard to understand here? He wanted improvemnets, he got them. Yet you say despite both of these details, he would STILL have moved??
As I have pointed out, Ralph saved tens of millions by not moving to the cities you imagine that he would have (somehow) moved to ahead of those who did. Despite this, he STILL would have moved??
wow.
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The quickness and elusiveness of Roscoe, if used properly, either with reverses, fake reverses can or make up your own play can be the straw that adds a bit more to the camels back for defensive coordinators playing the bills.
The Bills lacking talents can no longer be used as an excuse if Roscoe, CJ, Marshawn, Jackson, and Evans are put in situations that can take advantage of their skills.
Parrish is only "elusive" when he has an untouched 10 yard headstart, such as when he is returning a punt.
You can't "fair catch" a pass.
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September? You were talking May of that year. Funny that your idol Jerruh Jones didn't change plans for Jerruhworld, given the impending economic meltdown. I guess "the situation changed" there as well.
And yes doc, there IS no CBA.
My "idol"? Come on, doc. That is so weak. This is all you've got now.
Yes, they dumped the CBA in May. You seem to think the economic collapse began 4 months later. That's September, doc.
Jones voted to end the CBA. He was never a fan of it anyway---mainly because the thought of sharing what he felt was his money with guys like Ralph made him angry. Anyway, he was hellbent on building his monument to himself, to the tune of $650 mil of his money.
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What, you think any of the other owners who moved and paid a (much less than the $100M you made up; try $29M) relocation fee, or who set-up new franchises, weren't worried about recouping their money? You think that assurances weren't given to them in the hopes of luring them there? Usually on much higher investments than Ralph's $25K? You think that the stadium being built in 1973 or the SB's in the early 90's would have prevented him from moving? Or that he couldn;t have made substantially more than $200M on his $25K investment the past decade, in a better market? You think that Ralph suddenly became risk-averse? Hey, whatever (poorly constructed, emotionally driven thing) you say.
To the bolded part--the answer obviously is "yes" and "no", respectively.
Why on earth would he move after they just built a new stadium?? Most of the owners who left did so because they couldn't get a new stadium. And why would he move at the zenith of his team's existence? This seems reasonable to consider to you? And why would he leave over the past ten years when he has proven there is nothing wrong with the Buffalo market as far as football fans are concerned--it is extremely lucrative.
Why would ANY businessman risk an absolute sure thing to end up, potentially, in a situation like Jax? What is the "better market" that would have netted Ralph more money?? In the last 5 years, Ralph has cleared more than most or all of the "new teams" on your list each year.
Making things up? A move after a free stadium was built? Perhaps the silliest comment you have made on this topic thus far.
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Not to worry. The NFL foresaw the economic meltdown. The CBA and their "war chest" will solve all their problems.
Doc, looks like you were the only one who awoke some morning that September surprised to read about the economic collapse in the newspaper.
There is no CBA, by the way.
Rotoworld feels we made a terrible choice in passing on Clausen twice
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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You mean like...Terry Bradshaw?
Time will tell about Calusen, but I would take "an above average QB" over a great NT any day.