Mr. WEO
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What wins of JPL's did I imagine?
Dallas, Jets, Cleveland '07 come to mind.
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Where was Ralph going to put the team (besides Jax)? Gee, how about Indianapolis? Tennessee? Baltimore? Cleveland? Carolina? Houston? You do know that these cities received NFL teams, whether relocated or expansion (it doesn't matter, but nice try) in the past 30 years, right? And what overhead would he have had in those places? His $25K investment in the team wouldn't have changed. They built shiny new stadiums for their new teams and pay for their upkeep, with the owners being charged rent that is a pittance compared to the increase in revenue. What "risk" was there, doc? The answer is: there was none.
I know what you're trying to say, and it's "well, since he didn't move, he was never thinking of moving." This sounds like your other poorly crafted argument that since Jones didn't ask Gailey for an interview, it meant he didn't want to and was lying (err, "tossing out a compliment") when he called firing him a mistake.
Wow. Just...wow.
What risk?? Are you joking? First, there is a relocation fee (? over $100 million). Then there is the risk that his team would NOT sell out his games and he would NOT clear tens of millions per year. Jax!---hahaha!
You really need to review the history of the NFL in the cities you mentioned above. Each situation was unique--they weren't all ready for or looking for a team for 30 years. (WTF??) After that report back to us exactly when Ralph was going to move the team and to where.
Was it in the 70's, right after Buffalo built him a brand new stadium? The early nineties, when the Buffalo Bills were stringing together 4 SB appearances? The late nineties, when Buffalo renovated "Ralph Wilson Stadium"? The past deade when he profited at least $200 million from Buffalo's "bad market"?
And, yes, when people don't do something (such as not inviting someone for an interview) it usually means they didn't want to. Not sure why you're still having trouble with that concept. Maybe you have another reason why he didn't interview CG, but you have yet to share it.
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Holy non-sequitur, batman! What does taking away the best catch or game of a player in a season have to do with what I allegedly said about JP winning all those games he didn't play in (over the unreproachable Trent Edwards)?
The poster was pointing out the skewed nature of an actual stat. You simply imagined JPL's wins (stat). You might now realize I am pointing out your inconsistency in the way you criticize the presentation of statistics.
"Allegedly"?? Now you're referring to your posts as "alleged"? Not even a straight up denial?
A new low!
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More likely the "Woods should be moved to center" crowd. Then Calloway would be one of the candidates to move into his vacated right guard spot.
But anyways, early indications are that the Bills, while it was stated that they drafted Calloway to play guard…liked what they've seen from him so far and are still keeping him in play as a right tackle. It appears that they like him even better in person than they did on game tape
Why isn't Woods at center?
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Nice reading comprehension. No doc, they're the same type of owner and embody what's becoming wrong with the NFL. And the Cowboys have been a .500 club this decade despite all the money Jones spends, while Snyder's teams has been just as bad. As for the SB wins, hell anyone, even Snyder, could have won a SB with the talent the Cowboys amassed thanks to having the 1st pick in each round in 1988 and 1999, plus the 2 extra 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders they got from the Herschel Walker trade. Jones admitted as much (when he was high on the hooch) the year before he fired Jimmy Johnson, although Jones showed himself when he claimed he was responsible for all of it.
No, you said what you said. You pointed out that, unlike Jones, Snyder didn't inherit the worst team in the league, nor did he make a great trade deal. I agree. Those are a few reasons they are not alike. The others are the SBs and the bold but brilliant hiring of Jimmy Johnson--probably the best x's and o's coach at the time. Also, amassing talent with top draft picks is not an easy task. If simply having top picks were meaningful, Detroit would have the 3 SBs by now. Also, Snyder didn't put down $600+ million of his own money to build his team's stadium. Jones has a big mouth but he is certainly putting his money where his mouth is by risking such a fortune.
The Cowboys are above .500 for for the decade (why sample only ten years?--oh, wait, nevermind) and they have been to the playoffs 3 times in thapast 4 years and are looking pretty solid right now. Sure they only won one playoff game, but Jerry would show you his 3 rings if you pointed that out.
As SJB points out, your comparison of Snyder and Jones is factually in error. It's simply a poorly thought out comment based on some pop cliche you reached for and betrays your personal bias.
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Wait, your "obvious conclusion" is that Buffalo is/was SUCH a booming market, that Ralph couldn't find another city to move the team and "rake in the millions?" LOL! I guess that all the teams that had moved or been created in the past 30 years were like the 8th season of Dallas: a dream. Does this even NEED a rebuttal?
It does. Expansion teams are that, not moved teams. And exactly where was Ralph going to put the team? What community was he in discussions with and what facility was waiting or proposed for him? What city was going to offer him the financial arrangement he has in Buffalo--with a low overhead named after him that sells out the vast majority of its games no matter the team performance? Maybe he could have moved to Jacksonville? Are they "raking in the millions" there? Cleveland?
Tell me why it would have made financial sense for a guy like Ralph to risk huge sums of money when he has a sure thing in Buffalo? Buffalo has been a booming market for NFL football for many years--it has proven recession proof. How is it possible you don't realize this?
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25% of those yards came in 1 game. 13% came in one play.
He's not that good anymore and showed nothing last year. No effort. Bad hands.
Oddly, he wasn't a "bad guy" last year. Just a bad player.
Oh--ouch!
Wait for it........
Ah, the old "take away X play/game and..." Sorry, doesn't work that way. No player averages exactly their season average/play, whether it be a RB, WR, TE, etc.....There it is!!
Doesn't work that way, doc? Does it work like the way JPL would have won all those games he didn't play in? Like that?
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Jamrcus shouldn't feel bad--there's a pipeline directly to the Raiders for UFL QBs!
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Keep on telling yourself that one, doc. Maybe someday you'll convince someone besides yourself.
See the post above mine. He wasn't just successful with his NFL business venture.
Oh, doctor---this one won't die. Over and over this we have gone. There was no where to move to and no earthly reason to move, given the better-than-Madoff annual return Ralph gets on his $25,000 investement right there in Buffalo. You can pretend there were any number of viable moving spots (and you certainly have!), but he knew there was no other sane option than to stay put and rake in the millions (regardless of football success). You've never come up with a cogent rebuttal to this very obvious conclusion.
As for Ralph's "other ventures"--they were funded by the money from his father's insurance company. It's hard to find much info on "Ralph Wilson Industries" but it's something he was making some money with maybe 30 0r 40 years ago. The insurance agency that bears his name is a local operation. The vast majority of his wealth comes from owning the Bills, or, the as Wilsons call it form their permanent home in the State of Michigan, "the Buffalo Mint".
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Actually, I played sports and put those nerds in toilet bowls.
It's jsut funny when people criticize those who are fair more successful than them. It seems like jealous. Ralph is a millionaire, have won 2 AFL championships, went to 4 SBs, keep a franchise in the 2nd smallest market i nthe NFL despite the fact he could mae a TON more money elsewhere, was elected to the HOF by football writers, but he is a loser? That doesn't sound silly to you?Look, you've got to let that one go--it doesn't help your argument...mainly because it's just not true.
Ralph made one great decision in his lifetime that has paid him unimaginablefinancial dividends and he he kept the exact same course for 50 years.
Doesn't make him a great businessman though.
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Look, Flutie was a better QB overall than Rob Johnson. But that doesn't mean Johnson had zero good performances. Why do you have to insist that? This is what I mean by mythology.
In that final game of the season against the Colts, who were 13-2 at that time, and fighting Jacksonville for home field in the playoffs, in a game that the Colts played their first stringers including Peyton Manning until they were hopelessly behind in the second half, Johnson went 24/32 for 287 yards passing, 2 TDs, no ints, and ran 7 times for 36 yards. 323 yards of total offense. The Bills won 31-7.
Flutie did not put up numbers like that in the entire season. The Bills had averaged 19 points a game under Flutie all season, 13 points per game over the previous five games. Maybe it was a mistake, but was it incomprehensible that Phillips should start Johnson in the playoffs under those circumstances?
Basing an assessment of Rob Johnson on one game is what led the Bills to that monumental disaster of a decision to trade for him in the first place. Ralph called him "a Monet". He certainly wasn't "money".
Even questioning whether we would have beaten the Greatest Show on Turf with RJ's 100 yards (or 200--pick a number) is evidence of a complete disconnect with reality.
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The Bills consistently play in sub-freezing temperatures?
That would be true if we consistently played in home playoff games. Otherwise, not really.
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I hope Brohm wins. I like QBs with a cannon arm.
Big fan of Kyle Boller and Jeff George?
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Snyder spends money like Jones does. Most people would say that Snyder "wants to win" as well. And both owners would be happier if they could outspend everyone. Snyder however didn't inherit the worst team in the league, the Skins weren't the worst team in the league his first year owning them (i.e, getting the 1st overall pick 2 years in a row), and he didn't find someone as idiotic as Mike Lynn to trade with.
This is your comeback?? Lame!
You think Jones simply wants to outspend everyone else? That would make him happier than he is when winning SBs?? WTF? That's another classic doc borrowed cliche, ignorant of reality.
Yet you do seem to go on and make the argument that Snyder and Jones were actually nothing alike. So what point were you struggling to make? Oh yeah, that Jones spends a lot of money on his team (3 SBs, massive new stadium), and is just like Snyder.
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I never claimed that pissing on a golf course equates to a sex crime. My claim is that allowing a woman to see his penis in lieu of his past equates to being a complete & utter moron...that's all. And I'll tell you where "estimating" falls short...the failure of golf course designers thinking rest rooms would not be needed in strategic locations throughout a golf course. If you're gonna spend 25 mil for a golf course, for cryin' out loud, cough up another half mil & solve this obvious problem. Can you imagine going to Epcot & having to hold it until you got back to the turnstiles? I confess to this...if it was a non predator in the same situation, I would not be siding with the lady. But you can take this to the bank, the majority of Steeler fans in these parts have had enuf of the the whole "Big Ben" thing. They want the Steelers to succeed without without him.
He's taking a leak in the cover of the foliage, not in the middle of the green! He's not flashing a woman. Are you absolutely for real??? Is he supposed to piss his pants becuse you think he's a predator? Grow up.
This statement is not correct. Club/course is directly across from Murifield Village (Jack's course). The residents there pretty much feel that they are equivalent.That's nice. I doubt the members of Muirfield Village would think that the Country Club of Muirfield is an equal establishment. And the latter certainly is not in a league with Oak Hill.
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Jones also casually tosses out lies about his former coaches.
Jones has more in common with Dan Snyder than George Steinbrenner.
SJB posts a thoughtful message and you pump out your typical thoughtless nonsense. Why don't you tell us all why you say he's like Snyder--a guy who has done nothing in this league except spend money.
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I think that Mularky and Gregg Williams are both as good of coaches as Payton. In a good situation a coach can do very well. However, very few coaches are able to make a good situation. Payton is no different and I believe his career will follow the path of John Fox.
Williams and Mularky will likely never be HCs again. They aren't mentally cut out for it.
Payton is a bit of a d-bag, but he did turn around the program in NO. Sure, he had Brees (a QB who was dumped in SD for a rookie), but he got won the SB after a couple of mediocre/crappy seasons. He's aggressive and somewhat of an innovator. Not sure which HC past (20 years) or present would fit that description.
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When every position is one of need come draft day after draft day, you get a lot of starters on your roster who are 25 or under. Not sure how that has has helped us over the past 5 years.
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kind of funny!
They do! Well, we want them to.
But I do think that they are being overhyped are over confident.
The Bills will be better this year, flying way under the radar until the season gets going. Whichever team's quarterback --Bills or Jets-- has the better year will have the better record. I'll have my money on Trent and the Bills, as I think the Jets are in for a letdown this year, need another year for Sanchez to grow and for the team (and coach) to mature.
The Bills will be better this year.
Why would their team go backwards from last year? More time to mature?
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I looked up the word before I used it. It also means "to put on display". Yes...I've been guilty, like most men, of peeing in places I probably should not have. But I try to be extremely discreet...wedged in among trees or some other barrier. Obviously, he was not discreet enough, and given his past, that leads me back to the point in my original post...a complete & utter moron. Sorry...no embellishment or sympathy here...just acknowledgment of one more predator roaming free who should be in prison.
Where does her complaint say he "put [it] on display"? You made that up too---or were you "estimating" again?
Look, this lady lives on a golf course and no doubt has seen people peeing on the course (this isn't Oak Hill Country Club) near her house before and could likely see them every day. She only called the cops because she was told (she could not identify the pisser) it was BR by someone who also didn't witness the event. Your claim that this equates to (or is) some sort of sex crime is silly.
As for those angry fans who, unfortunately, already purchased their tickets (the charges of rape were made in the beginning of March--plenty of time for fans to chose not to renew their season tickets), I guess when BR is back and throwing TDs, they will simply remain silent and not cheer? Is that their plan?
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I just read the article on PFT about the talk of agents trying to convince next year's incoming rookies not to attend the combine, pro-days, and the senior bowl. All this to express the discontent at a rookie wage scale.
Add that to the current pro football's athletes and their representatives talking about walking out in December of this year! Can you imagine what a walkout would be like in December - if your team was doing good?
And then the strike next year - if it were to come to that.
I know I'm not alone in feeling that this stuff is ruining the game. How can we spend what we do to go to games, to buy jerseys, other gear, and to spend our time reading and writing about these teams - virtually, all of us, making it possible for these athletes to live like kings - and they're not talking about playing football and working their butt's off to make it to the post-season for their fans, but, rather, they're talking about not being able to support their families on a 3 or 4 million dollar a year contract! And the majority of fans probably live on 50-75 grand a year, if that.
Yet, the owners are making money and refuse to open their books to the public. So, as much as the players attitude frustrate me, it seems like the owners are only just as bad here - that together, both sides are ruining what the fans have established.
Yes - the fans have established this game. We've supported. We support it. Without us, they'd be playing for free or not at all. Without us there would be no billion dollar stadiums - no Jimmy Jones smiles.
So, I propose this: that a third party enter the mix. A third party not covering it's own interests, but whose interest is to make the game fair for both sides. For all sides. Let the objective party come in, look at the books, look at the expenses, all of it, and make it as even as possible.
Why should this not work? And, why aren't the fans demanding this?
The idea of a walkout in December is a silly as it sounds. And if your a college player entering the draft, are you going to select an agent that counsels you NOT to allow you to be evaluated by NFL scouts in the way they always do prior to the draft? Why would any agent even be involved in player labor actions?? It will only cost them money.
Privately held companies don't have to "open their books" to employees in this country.
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you are telling me that when Baltimore and Nashville had suitable stadiums when they got their teams? Hell even the raiders stadium is a small dive of a hellhole and it hasn't been replaced since they move back. Also, the Rams had to play in Busch stadium for a handful of games before their dome opened up. The NFL would tolerate a subpar stadium. Toronto fans would open up to the NFL if they had their own team as opposed sharing a team. LA only shows up for winners which would be a big knock to moving buffalo over. I agree that LA is far fetched for everyone, except the Chargers and the Jags.
Well..... am telling you that the owners of the Ravens and the Titans knew they were getting new stadiums.
Again, there is no stadium in LA, nor is their one currently under construction. There is no way Toronto is going to build an NFL stadium.
Next....
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Thanks for posting, Beerball.
Really good excerpt.
I think (I'm guessing) Payton was dismissive of Buffalo at least partly because Buffalo wasn't really too interested in Payton.
Remember that we had just fired Gregg Williams and Mike Mularkey and the belief was that the Bills would hire a Head Coach with prior Head Coaching experience. As I recall, Jauron and Mike Sherman were the finalists back in 2006.
In reading the excerpt it would be hard to believe that Payton would have Buffalo lower on his list than Katrina-ravaged New Orleans…if the Bills were actually considering him. I don't think they were. Thus Payton's comments on Buffalo.
The other thought I had while reading the excerpt regards Jerry Jones.
Partly because his team beat our beloved Bills twice in Super Bowls, partly because he fired Tom Landry, Gil Brandt, Tex Schramm, partly because of his facelifts and constant preening for the cameras and over-involvement in his football team (the meddlesome owner), I've never really liked the guy.
But over the past few years, I've seen where Jones has some redeeming qualities. He's improved greatly as a GM and does a great job of running the Cowboys. Obviously he's an outstanding businessman. Also, I've seen a few moments in the "Hard Knocks" series which put him in an interesting light. And finally, I really love what he told Sean Payton as Payton was walking out the door.
I've worked for people like Jones…in fact I'm working for one now. He's an egotist, demanding, drives his people hard, but also, gives credit where it's due, recognizes the talents in people, and lets people do their jobs. He believes in enjoying work and striving for excellence. He's not petty, spiteful, or vindictive. He doesn't hold a grudge. He would not begrudge a man leaving to go elsewhere to seek his own destiny. He would re-hire someone he'd previously fired. He would have greater respect for a man seeking his own greatness than he would a loyal "yes man." He admits his mistakes.
On the occasion of George Steinbrenner's passing, it seems like Jones and Steinbrenner are two of a kind.
As much as there is to dislike about each man, there is also lots to admire.
Great post.
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you cannot tell me that those aren't possible options, because if things did sour here. It wouldn't be too hard for a team to move 90 minutes away.
Well....I can tell you that LA isn't and hasn't been an option in many years (STILL no stadium). Toronto is not an option because they have no NFL stadium, nor are they interested in Bills football.
But then, you could have read these things just about anywhere.
Financial future of the NFL
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Doc, looks like you were the only one who awoke some morning that September surprised to read about the economic collapse in the newspaper.
There is no CBA, by the way.