Mr. WEO
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Look - if you don't care then you don't care O.K.? This guy is statistically the best. If you don't "believe" in statistics , fine.
This guy tends to consistently get the most right in the first round (32 picks) year after year compared to the competition.
He has the Bills getting Bulaga - I hope he's right.
Just asking the question, brother.
I "believe" in statistics and because I do, I said that the difference between Gosselin and the 7th guy on the list is statistically insignificant. Also, they are separated by one correct team pick.
He had a good mock in '07 (as did many of his peers, by that report) and he has been mediocre the past two (as have been his colleagues). Am I not supposed to say that?
Bulaga sounds fine to me.
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consistently one of the best mock draft predictors:
http://rootzoo.com/threads/view/NFL-Footba...k-Drafts_307633
There is no significant difference in the top seven in that list.
Anyway, this guy waits untill 2 weeks before the draft and puts out what is essentially a consensus list. Is his first ten really much different from yours?
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dude thigpin was a 3rd string last ditch effort if you remember, croyle and huard were the top 2 guys and both got hurt, so gailey changed the Offense on the fly, before thigpin, they ran a traditional style offense, the spread simplified things for him, made it easier to manage, yet still, they didnt win with that system.
Kordell stewart had the tools, and gailey figured out how to use him effectively, that doesnt show a preference.
Gailey also coached TROY AIKMAN in Dallas, so he does have experience with a traditional drop back QB, and if you recall, his greatest success (2 playoff berths in 2 seasons) came with that style of QB, so MAYBE it isnt that far fetched to think that he wants a traditional QB, and the best traditional QB available is Jimmy Clausen.
Or maybe "his greatest success" came because he was "coaching" TROY AIKMAN.
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What's the big deal about this mock again?
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Since Seattle has Hasselbeck & just traded for & gave big bucks to Whitehurst as Hasselbeck's replacement, why would anyone think that Carroll would even think of drafting a QB in the 1st round?
Because they would be heading into the season with.....Hasselbeck and Whitehurst.
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Not if you approach it the right way. I hate the Jets, but Sanchez came in humble and as a result, he was embraced by his teammates. All the reports on Clausen point to him struggling to fit in.
Until proven otherwise, these are guys who got high production because of the college offenses they played in. Fact is every single one of those players is from a system that has produced other QBs that have put up monster #s before them (Clausen - Quinn, Bradford - White & Heupel, McCoy - Young & Applewhite, Tebow - Alex Smith).
A great system can make an average QB look very good.
Are you really using college stats as your measuring point because that is beyond silly. Notre Dame constantly had top 10 recruiting classes under Weis. Washington struggled to get top 100 classes. This team went winless just a year ago. Locker plays with absolute crap, while Clausen throws to 2 1st round NFL round receivers.
Mallett was in his first year in a new system. He'll get better. And Pryor is 6'5", freak of nature who jsut had the best game of his career in the Rose Bowl. And all 3 will improve with another year in college.
Everyone says it is a very weak Qb class. Don't fight it. The top Qb missed basically the enitre year because of shoulder injury. The #2 QB is believed to be a prick and didn't have a career better than Brady Quinn, who is a 1st round flameout.
I'd take Lefevour in the 3rd but a top 10 pick on a QB in this draft is very, very risky IMO.
Can you link me to "all the reports" that say Clausen is having trouble fitting in on an NFL team?
Young and Smith are currently starters in the NFL.
Yes, I am using stats, I apologize. But that's what there is. You, on the other hand, want us to ignore the performance of those you mentioned to date and focus on how good they are going to be next year after who-knows-what happens to make them "special". We have to disregard the existing top performance of the QBs in this years draft and ignore the modest performance of those you have mentioned.
Interesting to mention the "stat" of ND's draft class while you are trying to make an argument that college guys rated highly before the draft are often busts. Guess you missed the fact that the Irish defense sucked, no matter what their high school rank.
Your arguments seem entirely made up of statements like "everyone says" and "all reports point" (with little reference)--do you have an original opinion on this topic?
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He won't get passed Cleveland. Holmgren is blowin' smoke up everybody's a**.
GO BILLS!!!
He's dumped both his QB's and picked up Delhomme. Who's he fooling with that? Clausen doesn't make it past Cleveland.
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I'm satisfied because I like that the team is resisting the knee-jerk reaction to get mediocre FAs. I'm also glad they are taking a measured approach regarding RFAs, because that could get VERY expensive in a hurry.
Gives me the sense that they feel our draft picks are gold, and shouldn't be easily parted with.
The jets did well this past year, but their lack of draft picks is going to KILL them. It will force them to continue to dip into FA in the future, and not have young quality building blocks to depend on. That spells trouble.
Yeah, those Jets are doomed! No young quality building blocks on that team....and witih no draft picks this year!!
Completely f*kked! Glad we're not in their situation.
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Do you think you can attack within the individual threads you despise, instead of posting a thread attacking crazy theories? While I understand your frustration with crazy theories, I don't see why I have to waste my time reading new posts that are sarcastic jokes.
Of course the answer is "you don't have to", yet you read through not one, but two pages of this thread!
Unbelievable......
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It's one thing to do that in college when you're the superstar QB and older than the other players (he's 23). It's another thing to do it in the pros when you're the highest paid in team history without proving a thing. His teammates, grown men, will have a little jealous at Clausen automatically. If tries to boss around a guy like Marcus Stroud, that won't go over well.
Personally, I want the safer pick of a LT or NT. Considering there will be a better class of QBs in the draft next year, I won't force the issue this year.
Stroud is a short timer---he'll be gone soon and it will be as though he was never here. By your logic, no team could ever draft a first round QB because of "jealousy" issues that would follow with every other non rookie on his team.
If I was the Rams, I'd draft Suh or Okung. I'm not a huge fan of Bradford either and a workout in shorts doesn't change that. He still has taken a hit and the Rams have an awful oline.Personally, I'd take the safer pick than roll the dice with a QB from this class in the first round. The strength of this draft is offensive and defensive tackles. I'd like to get one good of each. I don't feel great coming out with the 2nd best QB of one of the worst classes in years. Especially, when I believe there is a very special class of QBs coming out next year (Locker, Mallett, and Pryor). Just my opinion.
Really? A draft with Bradford, Clausen, McCoy and Tebow is "one of the worst classes in years" entering the draft? You have a nonexistent memory.
And next year is "special" becuase of "Locker, Mallett and Pryor"?? What's so special about these three--other than that they are among the least accurate QBs in DivI? Locker had 2800 yards and 21 TDs an only completed 58% of his passes--big deal. He went 5-7, and like you said, if you can't win in college....right? Mallett---55% completions. And Pryor? Really? Another useless OSU QB to enter the NFL and you want him? Look at his stats--he's barely a QB.
Lefevour and Pike are better than those three right now. Case Keenum is too---how come he didn't make your special list?
Heck, the guy who replaced Bradford is as "special" as those guys you listed...
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This is funny. I can't tell if the people missing the sarcasm take away from the joke or make it better. Oh well
Kidding aside, I wonder what compensation would actually convince Polian to trade us Peyton - not that any part of such a deal would be realistic, but if you were him, when would you start thinking it over? Six first round picks? Ten?
I think it work out best for everyone if Ralph just traded ownership of the Bills for Manning.
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Winning doesn't mean a Super Bowl you silly boy.
Incase you haven't noticed the bills are a 7-9 team.
John Elway, Marino, Manning, and McNabb took 7-9 quality teams to the playoffs and beyond.
Jimmy Clausen couldn't win in ND. He can't take a 7-9 Bills team to the playoffs.
Dan LeFevour owns a ton of passing records, way better numbers than Jimmy Clausen, with your faulty logic, Dan LeFevour would be the better QB in the NFL.
Jimmy Clausen will become the next Brady Quinn on a team that has no line & no WRs, a young TE, an overachieving RB, an underachieving RB, and a defense that can't stop the run.
He is not the right fit for the Bills.
There will be another highly skilled QB next year or later in the draft, the Bills are much better served using a top 10 pick on getting better on both lines .
He is not a once in every ten year, throw the franchise on the back type of player.
Plus his forehead is goofy looking, thats the real reason I don't think he will be a fit on the Bills, not the logical, obvious argument above.
There's no debating the greatness of these QB's (minus McNabb). Just saying it is clearly, factually incorrect that they "willed their teams to win" or "carried them on their shoulders to victory". Just nonsense.
If all the teams that need a franchise QB are waiting to pick a "one in ten year QB", logic should tell you that none will likely ever draft one.
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I don't like Clausen for reasons other than his ability to play football...BUT for the same reasons guys like Leaf don't make it in the pros...Leaf could play ball...he set all kinds of records in college...he had a great arm and was destined for greatness...but the pressure destroyed his career because he was a cry baby loser like Jimmy Clausen is...so...ummm...yeah...I dislike him for reasons that are NOT his ability to play football but that WILL get in the way of him using his football ability effectively...GET IT NOW????....
I get that you have trouble with some pretty basic concepts.
Why do you have to bring in Leaf? Clausen has already played very well in a pro-style offense in a high pressure/high visibility program and despite a crappy defense. Leaf played at Washington STATE!
Oh yeah, Clausen doesn't doesn't like losing.
I'm guessing you are posting as a sort of goof---with your ebonics-laden impulsive outbursts solely meant to provoke a response. If so, congrats---you got me! If not, yikes!
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That's the whole point. Clausen is a good skll player. He needs support. He is not Marino Elway Manning that can throw a team on his shoulder and win (you can add McNabb to that list) There is no support for him in Buffalo. He is not that highly skille, 1 in a generation talent.
There are a half dozen QBs like him everyy year
Wait, which QB can simply "throw a team on his shoulder and win"??
Seems like Elway couldn't do it until Shanahan and Davis showed up. And Manning has done it once (against Rex Grossman!) despite spending a large chunk of his career throwing to the best receivers (WR, TE) in the league. I won't even mention McNabb's problems winning the big game "on his shoulders"...
Clausen's offense racked up 452 ypg--8th in the country and scored 30 ppg. When his team was playing defense (poorly), exactly how was he supposed to influence their play?
Thses comments are ridiculous.
Why don't you just come and say "I don't like Clausen for reasons other than his ability to play QB" and leave it at that? At least it would be an honest post.
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that is a smoke screen to keep his trade value up......Haynesworth WILL be traded, there is no going back for the redskins (just like you knew McNabb would get traded).......probably going to Detroit for their 2nd round pick. wonder how Whaley and Nix value Albert.
You may be right.
But Given that they can never get back the value they have already invested in Haynesworth, it's hard to believe that, after making it appear that he was on the market, simply denying it now would "keep his trade value up".
In contrast, I (and the rest of the free world) knew McNabb would be traded because his FO told everyone he was for sale and were entertaining offers.
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Thank-you...If Mortensen's love for Donohoe was so great, why doesn't he trash the Steelers all the time? It's because the Steelers win, and do things right, for the most part. I hear Mortenson on the radio a lot, and, he almost seems to feel the need to apologize before he says anything regarding the Bills, because he knows what a thin-skinned group of little cry-babies their fans are...grow a pair! Adam Schefter has taken to doing the same. If the Bills start winning games, and having good drafts, I guarantee you, Mortenson won't be any more critical of them, as he is of any other team.
Excellent post.
I have no affinity for Mort but this periodic dredging up of the TD stuff is so boring. Who gives two sh*ts??
Grow up boys.
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When are people going to learn to not believe anything you hear this time of year about the draft? Draft rule number one is not tipping your hand to your opponents.
orrrr......what?
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You're right about the sequence. I've long thought one of the more interesting things about TT's talent was that he kept Barry freakin' Sanders on the bench. Now that's something.
TT---great back. HOFer. Not even close to Barry talent-wise. Sanders was a once in a lifetime RB. If you saw both you would agree.
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And a kid at his school, slugged him...IN THE FACE mind you. And thats not all, he did it in front of his parents. Here's my 2 cents:
1. He has a major attitude problem (see Shanahans move/opinion after spend some time with him).
2. His fellow players did not necessarily elect him at all, that program has been in complete disarray since Willingham.
3. Again, I feel like I've been beating my head against the wall with all of you, but has anyone seen him play prior to last year? I suggest you do.
4. His pocket presence is not good, analysist are completely overpaid boobs, like Mel Kiper Jr....I actually like this guy, but he works for ESPN (which is a horrible network or station), so he's paid to pretend to be cool (which he is, but ESPN isnt) and state the complete obvious.
Just my thoughts.
His teammates "did not necessarily elect him at all"? What does that mean?
So we are to ignore how he played as a junior and only focus on how he played as a sophomore? Why on earth would we do that?
Mel Kiper is paid to pretend he's cool, but he's actually cool---but is also "a completely overpaid boob"?
If these are your thoughts, maybe you should write them down on a piece of paper first and have someone else read them before posting.
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I predict you will not win...
and this "why the team vote him the captain crappola is ridiculous"...like Rick Mirer wasn't the leader of his squad...and Ryan Leaf wasn't either????...ridiculous...doesn't prove a thing...
Did ya catch the article about him flipping out over a loss and getting his azz beat?...I mean come on...no self control, his interviews are disgusting to watch...like car crashes...he will never take the heat that the media puts on NFLers...the only way he'll make it is by throwing for 300 yards and 3 tds in every game as a pro...and we all know that won't happen hehehe...so, bye bye Clausen he's a primo BUST
I mean check him out during this interview after a harsh loss...
Yeah, who wants a guy who gets upset after a loss? He would never fit in here.
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Scheffler would make more sense if we didn't already have both Nelson and Schouman. Nelson has a lot of potential, and if Trent Edwards starts like you suggested, he's previously stated he feels very comfortable with Schouman.
Yeah, really. Why break the decade long streak of not bringing in a good TE when we've got a guy "with a lot of potential" and the other guy?
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We all know that the Bills QB's played horribly last season behind a horrid O line...in a bad system...with a rookie OC...with no QB coach...with Jauron as his HC...
Before the team makes any QB changes I'd like to see the current Bills QB's have a shot at playing behind a decent O line, with an HC / offensive coordinator that knows what they are doing and in an offense that works.
Then we would have to trade them all to another team...
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Very true. Nix is the man. Love the comment from him last week about hearing about the labor pains versus seeing the baby. Winning and only winning is this man's concern. What a tough son of a b*tch. He could give a sh*t about what we think. He only cares about winning. Can't wait for the draft.
That's all it takes for you to call someone a "tough son of a b*tch"? A couple of cliches and ol' country bromides?
Mission accomplished!
Santonio Holmes traded to the Jets!!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Sounds like whistling past the graveyard.
Yeah, he really took over that team from mangina and "ran it into the ground".
Dumbest post of the week.