Mr. WEO
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Nope. He's still got a ways to go before being pounded down to the bottom of the barrel. It ain't easy being the pro athlete public enemy #1, but the Tiger story is played so we needed someone new.
Where are all the guys who not long ago were crying that "the Media" was "ignoring" the Big Ben "assualt" story? That ESPN was spiking stories on this topic?
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Like, mellow out, dude. What he said was all from the news accounts. That's why he knows it. They have a good non-sexual relationship to this day. That's why he knows it.
Do some research before you go off. Yeah, it's something that makes us all feel queasy, but you still need to do research before you accuse a guy of making stuff up. He didn't.
Since nobody has dealt with the facts in this thread, here is a place to find a few:
http://www.sportsfanlive.com/sflreports/en...usive_lineman_s
A few excerpts:
"In May 2003, Washington was convicted of having sex with a relative that multiple NFL and college sources say was his 15-year old biological sister. The act was consensual, according to his college coaches and two NFL scouts, who spoke to him about the incident. The sister does not wish to speak publicly on the case, according to Washington’s agent, who added that the siblings are now on good terms and talk often. "
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"... Everything else, including his home, was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina.
“'Katrina was a total disruption of his life and his high school career,' said Sartain, a coaching veteran of 26 years and father of two, who now heads up the football program at East Texas Baptist University. "
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"The product of what Sartain calls a 'dysfunctional' family, Washington arrived in Athens, Texas, with emotional needs that had long been neglected. 'I don’t want to say he was emotionally "crippled," but with that traumatic time in his life, he skipped a phase, so to speak, in his emotional development,' the coach said."
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“'The biggest concern I had was, "Is he going to be a threat to the community?"’ Thomsen said.
"After a thorough investigation, the school agreed to accept him. 'Even the chief of police thought Tony was a low risk,' Thomsen said. "
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I'm not going to switch all the quotation marks on this next bit, I'll just paste it it. Sorry ...:
“I don’t want to cry ‘victim’ and he never has, per se, but I really believe that he was a 16-year-old victim of his own environment,” Sartain said. “It’s unfortunate that the counsel that he got at the time led him to have this label on him the rest of his life.”
It’s a label he couldn’t escape in his hometown of New Orleans, where as a high school student, he bagged groceries at Save-a-Lot until 5 a.m., went directly to school, then practice, then back to work. He couldn’t escape it when he came to Athens, Texas, and had his name printed in the local newspaper as part of the required community notification of his status.
But if he truly wanted to run from his past, he would have given up long ago. Instead, he’s choosing to face it, something Sartain hopes people will appreciate.
“I find it hard to believe that people cannot realize the resolve, the perseverance, the character and determination that this young man has had to get where he is,” Sartain said.
Thomsen points to the fact that his former player has had no run-ins with the law since his offense seven years ago.
“I have no fear in my mind of anything like that happening with Tony again,” Thomsen said. “I wouldn’t have brought him here if I had that fear. And I have no reservations about anything like that happening again in his future.”
The fact that the offense was committed as a juvenile means the odds are in his favor. According to a report published by the National Center on Sexual Behavior of Youth, adolescent sex offenders have a 5 percent to 14 percent chance of sexual re-offenses.
Dr. Fred Berlin, Associate Professor of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, and founder of the Sexual Disorders Clinic, believes that unlike adult offenders, juveniles are “highly treatable” and “rarely go on to become adult offenders.”
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“I’m not so much concerned with the incident. It happened seven years ago,” the scout said. “But I am concerned with his maturity level. He’s going to walk into an NFL locker room where it’s tough enough being a rookie, but this – this takes it to a whole new level. And I worry about how the media in whatever market his team is in is going to take this.”
Thomsen disagrees with the assessment that his former player is “immature,” saying he was a model citizen, and “never had any off-the-field incident or any problems whatsoever” at Abilene Christian.
Rather than preparing for the Combine at one of the trendy high-end training facilities, Washington chose to work out privately with former Ohio State linebacker Anthony Schlegal, who was the campus president for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
“He’s surrounding himself with good people,” Thomsen said. “He wants to succeed. And that’s what he needs.”
Washington’s choice of agent is also telling. Vann McElroy is not only a former NFL safety who won a Super Bowl with the Raiders, but he is also the son of a pastor.
“We didn’t put people like Anthony Schlegel in Tony’s life,” McElroy told SportsFanLive.com. “He reached out to them. He chose to go to Abilene Christian. To me that says a lot.”
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It's a good long interesting article. And after you read it, you won't be guessing about what happened.
I read that article when someone here posted it weeks ago. It further erodes your argument---if you read it closely, you would NEVER have used it to respond to my post. In fact the only fact is contained in the first sentence.
The ONLY claim published in that "fact filled" article that the sex was "consensual" was according to his college coaches and two NFL scouts, who spoke to him about the incident. in fact, the only credible claim can come from the victim--his sister and as your reference CLEARLY states: "The sister does not wish to speak publicly on the case" (regardless of what their relationship is today).
His coach and a few scouts tell us all about the events and that's enough for you??
Look, I never said the guy made it up----just that is ridiculous for you, me, or coaches and scouts (who have vested interests in this kid's success as a football player) to claim we know that this was "passionate, consensual" incest. We only know what the perp has told us. You can believe him or not--but you can't state it as fact.
That was kind of my point. You should really read your references before you post them in your defense.
And this talk of "blackballing" is nonsense. So far, all 32 teams have clearly concluded that he just isn't that good a prospect to counter the bad publicity. They are free to come to that conclusion indepently. To claim otherwise is nuts.
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Exactly.
Doesn't matter---CG is going to be HC, OC and, of course, DC.
See? It really doesn't matter!
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Tony's transgression was repugnant but it was mutual consent. Big Ben's are acts of aggression against defenseless women.
Tony made one mistake, Ben has been accused twice.
Tony was underage, Ben is an adult.
Tony's was an act of passion. Ben's was premeditated and occurred with concurrence and enforcement by his police body guards. It was also illegal imprisonment.
Ben has done this before, you can bank on it. That it is not the first time it ever happened and follows a pattern of systemic rape.
I believe Ben's accusers.
"She said no" should ring out at every stadium all year long.
The Pittsburgh rapist should be out of the league and in jail.
There is no way Gooddell suspends the bast@rd if he had any doubt about this.
Time for you sorry-@ssed jock lovers to stand up and be counted.
Mutual consent?? An act of passion??---holy sh**T!!!
How do you know this?? His sister consented to having her BIG bro have sex with her when she was 15 (and it started and ended right there?)? You must come from "Tony"'s home town!
You believe BR's first accuser when it is clear that she perpetrated a fraud against the state where she filed charges and is in the process of doing the same in civil court? And you believe her? It is clear you have no familiarity with the facts of that case.
You arer free to believe what you want, but you can't attempt to convince others to agree with you if you chose ignore what disturbs your view of reality.
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Did Brown just say that 3 of our picks struggled to establish themselves on the rosters of low profile schools?
And we spent a 4th on a guy who had to work his way onto the field by his senior year at...... UConn?
The Bills should really proof his stuff before they print it.
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You forgot that most of the Team was on IR last year. Buddy thinks we are not far off, I believe him.
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If we could have scored against NO that game was winnable.
The Jacksonville game was winnable as well. Needed more points.
______ game was winnable. Just needed more points.
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Nope, didn't know about him until the OP mentioned him. Because he wasn't a highly-touted prospect/top-5 at this position, unlike JP back in 2004. It's not hard to know about the Leinarts and Clausens.
No, doc, it's not hard to know about QBs at schools we all get to see for free on TV nearly every week during the college season. Glad you have finally conceded this obvious point.
Oh, wait--it was BLESTO that hipped you to JP. A bunch of entry level scouts combing through the lesser known schools' junior classes. Their assessment of JPL (as good as Rivers, Manning) was proven absurd. Until you read that, you knew not of him.
You should have been a little more skeptical.
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WEO - link?You should thank the OP of that thread for pointing out the existence of Brown before the Bills drafted him.
Oh, I do. As with the OP--I wasn't familiar with this guy's work when he posted. No doubt tou will claim to have known all about him---having watched a ton of Tulane...oops, I mean Troy games.
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Now i know critical thinking isn't your strong suit, given the fact you've never done any of it before you post, but chances are that they thought Bradford was the only legit long-term QB prospect, and that the other QBs would go much higher than the Bills had them graded. It seems obviously apparent that they thought almost all of the QBs needed a good chunk of development time, so why waste a high pick on one?
If it is "obviously apparent" that "other" (than Bradford) QBs would need a good chunk of development time, the top of anybody's list of the rest is NOT Levi Brown. He was drafted, by the Bills, in the 7th round.
A high pick???? Your argument is that the Bills passed on guys like Lefevour (once in the 6th) and Pike (twice) even when it was "obviously apparent" that they were NOT going "much higher than the Bills had them graded"? So they could pick up a 3rd DE for the practice squad? Because they were holding out for Brown as a "better prospect"? Come on!
Maybe you should redirect your "critical thinking" on easier topics that you are adept at--like gay bashing. That's your thing, bro.
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Name recognition and where players are picked are a fools errand. All that matters is how the player produces. Because a name player can bust just as easily as one that no one knows, and sometimes you can think a player will be there in such-and-such a round, only to find he's been taken a few spots after you had a shot at him, because not every teams follows the "experts'" mock drafts or rankings.
If the Bills really wanted Campbell and thought he was a top LT prospect, they could have taken him with any of their first 3 picks. Same for Skelton, who they could have taken with any of their first 5 picks. Furthermore they said they liked Brown over any of the other QB's except for Bradford, and there was a thread about their interest in him predating the draft.
They had Brown as #2 QB after Bradford??
Holy sh*t.
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DarthICE gave the Bills draft a "solid A"!
That the same DarthICE that said this is a QB driven league and that we have to get a good QB in here and agreed that "run and stop the run is gone from this game"?
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+1 for an Uncle Rico reference
It's true. I've never been one to judge "throwing mechanics", but this guy looks bizarre!
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Brohm is the next long term (doesn't mean much for the Ralphs) QB.
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The first draft included a great RB, a QB, two linebackers, two offensive linemen and two defensive backs. Sounds familiar. Of course if Levi Brown is the next Drew Breese I'll eat my keyboard.
You will never need to eat that keyboard...
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At least someone here has some sense...
Ewards will start, Fitzy will back him up, and Levi Brown or Brohm will be the project third stringer...IMO it will be Levi Brown...I am high on this guy...after this season it will be decision time...third years are always make or break years for QB's...if Edwards impresses and we win this season...I think they resign him...if it's more deer in headlights...he's gone and they see what they got with Levi...that's just basically how it goes...well on regular teams...anything can happen...we are in fact the Bills
You're high on Levi? I can fix that---watch the YOUTUBE video someone posted on the original Levi Brown thread.
He has a great "uncle Rico" release and relies on acrobatic WRs to pull his errant balls from the sky. The rest is a lot of Chinese fire drill-broken play-run for your life JPL scrambling.
I challenge you to watch the whole awful clip.
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I would certainly do Brady Quinn before Jamarcus Russel but I dont think either one are what Chan is looking for......
I get the feeling that we are looking for a smart spread QB with a quick release who has a little bit of mobility and enough arm for the winds of our stadium.......def rules Russel out and probably Brady Quinn.
Of course the OP's idea is silly, but looking at the QBs on our roster, why do you "get the feeling" that is what CG is looking for? If true, where on the depth chart does he find this QB?
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which is shocking since you are usually so positive! What you call failure is, first of all, pure speculation, and secondly, I would guess happens with every single team in the NFL. Do you really think every team gets precisely who they were targeting in the draft, free agency, etc? Listen, everyone is entitled to feel differently about similar sets of circumstances. If you want to always be the glass half empty guy, so be it. I will choose to be optimistic for the new regime until and unless they prove otherwise.
Detroit does.
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Have you seen how phenomenal this kid is with the ball in his hands? Unreal speed matched with equally impressive quickeness and acceleration, Spiller can score any time he touches the ball. Best offensive player in this draft.
Like Buddy said, "There's only one Spiller."
...he just didn't feel like it in college.
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Obviously you missed this: "Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime."
If the suspension comes from the Steelers and not Sir Roger, it will be a black mark for the league. Sir Roger can't worm his way out of this one by pawning-it-off on the Steelers.
No, I saw that. Its certainly not a new position. However, absent a conviction, plea, or even a criminal charge against him, this would be a line the Commish hasn't crossed. Everyone makes out if the Steelers do it. Their language certainly make it seem likely that rooneys are ready to punish.
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This will shake out with the Steelers suspending BR. Without a conviction or a charge, the Commish is in a bit of a bind as far as league suspension goes.
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When the beat writer for an NFL team starts talking about how good the kicker is and how good the team's secondary is, you know your team is in trouble.
Really.........
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You are dead on. Anything said now is 100% falsehood... Nix is hoping he can get seatte or someone else to trade up to trade
You really think that, if there was to be some sort of trade up being considered, that the way teams would express interest would be via some contentless press conference---or that any teams would be trying to discern what exactly Buddy could be up to with his comments?
Come on! Every team knows exactly what every other team needs and thus what their draft boards might be at this point. Any progress towards trading up or down is already ongoing with direct team to team contact and will not be part of some goofy press conference..
Contingencies have to be in place on draft day---they don't go cold-calling trading partners when they're on the clock.
I love these "it's a smoke screen" posts!
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What he said.
The fins are trading future players that will hurt them down the road. Do you really believe they are one receiver away from making the SB? That's the only way this trade would make any sense to me. They are giving away two potential future starters for a guy who's thisclose to a one year suspension. With Bill Parcells picking then a lot of people here would automatically write those two picks in as starters.
Would you trade Eric Woods, Shawn Nelson and a sixth round pick this year for Jason Peters?
Marshall was tied for third in number of catches last year with Andre Johnson. He ranked 14th in receiving yards and tied for seventh in TD's with Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne. He's a good receiver but not a top two or three.
This whole concept of not picking top young players just becuase your team is not on the cusp of appearing in the SB is some of the most bizarre thinking I've seen here.
If I'm in the Bills front office I won't gamble two second round picks that he will mature. I'd rather have Dwan Edwards, Drayton Florence and Donte Whitner than Marshall. JMO
This whole concept of not picking top young players just becuase your team is not on the cusp of appearing in the SB is some of the most bizarre thinking I've seen here.
They need a WR and they got one of the best (he is one of only 5 in history who have caught over 100 passes 3 years in a row). Their future picks at number 2 would have as likely to be crap--just like a lot of 2 picks (and like our last 2 WR picks).
Also, Parcells just picked Marshall. You're arguing what?
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Care to illustrate how exactly this is clear...? I haven't seen it, other than comments from posters on this board making stuff up.
Hey, he voted against the overtime rule change.
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LOL! Forgetting that Marshall isn't "one of the top 2 or 3 receivers in the league," that you can defend a "thug" from another team is pretty funny in and of itself.
Marshall is one of 5 WR in the history of the league who has caught 100 or more three seasons in a row.
After all this time you still don't understand the use of the word "defend". I am not "defending" Marshall. Nor do I care if ML is a "thug"---except that his moronic tendencies have cost his teammates, to some degree.
You, on the other hand, have excused or expalined away all of ML's trangressions and blame everyone but him for his suspension. If Marshall was a Bill today, you would be giving him your TO "new BFF" treatment.
That's how we're different.
Details of statement against Big Ben are released.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Colon said so in his report to the police. He said they left the first bar and the women folowed them to the second.