Mr. WEO
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Well, in other industries, it's known as professional development. That is, the degree to which an individual endeavors to increase their skills and knowledge to further their career and personal growth.
As an electrician, I can voluntarily do a lot of things beyond what my employer mandates. Same with all of you and all these NFL players.
That said, some individuals will, and some won't. It's also human nature (at least in my experience) that most people will do as little as possible.
The question to me, is what percentage of NFL players do significantly more professional development than they are asked to do by their teams? I'd like to wish that all the Bills do extra work but I know that's not the case.
Another question is what degree of those people criticizing the work ethic of others, hold themselves to high standards of professionalism.
Anyways, he's not a great football player but Donte has never struck me as a lazy or irresponsible guy.
As we've gone over dozens of times, Donte has always hosted the weekly DB meetings at his house and has tried to be a leader and spokesperson for the defense. He's a go-to guy for the media and that's why reporters continue to stick microphones in his face.
If you chose not to further your professional development through your own initiative, you don't get to comment that your employer failed you in your professional development.
This guy is a phony. Big deal--he has a few guys over the house so he can pretend he's in charge--who's buying that? He cannot back up his own unreal assessment of himself with his play on the field, so he simply puts himself out there as a team spokesman. I bet the other guys cringe when they read about the fegola twitter crap.
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I'm looking at this as another indication that chan is changing the culture at OBD. Transitioning from the soft cupcake schedule, playbook, practices, and generally Teams we've has in recent memory.
This is a good thing, everybody is being forced to work harder, take accountability, and fight for their spot.
Lynch?
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I only mentioned Edwards because he was supposed to prove that 2008 was a fluke and/or excused by his concussion. Throw in Fitz as well that the offense sucked and rendered the WR's ineffectual. You're only making my case further for me, because both had exponentially more to do with the passing game stinking than TO himself. To go along with firing the OC and cutting the starting LT just days before the opener, and then the injuries along the O-line.
Not arguing that the offense "stunk" because of TO. Just that none of the promised effects of his signing came true.
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So the previous coaching staff was preventing Donte from getting into and staying in shape? They kept him from working hard?
Wow, what a first round D-B this kid is.
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This is an excellent point. You can't treat every individual or every group of people as if they are the same. You have to read the person or group and determine how they are to be treated/motivated.
Greggo was tough? Stylistically, maybe. I would say that there is a difference between acting tough and actually being tough. And I would bet that most pro athletes can tell the difference.
But while I question how tough Gregg Williams actually is, I agree with your point. For a head coach, toughness isn't everything. Rod Marinelli is unquestionably a tough guy who couldn't be a head coach. Les Steckel…lots of examples.
I understand your point. However the question put to Whitner and his response were very vague. There was no context given.
Were they talking about strength and conditioning? It seems they were, and a compelling argument can be made that the Bills under Jauron were soft and that this softness had a major impact on their ability to win football games.
So I wouldn't poo poo these comments as lacking in significance.
Greggo's Defense looked pretty tough in the playoffs this year....
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This sets the stage for Boston and Seattle to host as well I would think. They have newer stadiums and havent been eligible before. IF the Bills ever build a new stadium, we may have the opportunity too. They have held it in detroit multiple times, why not Buffalo?
Where would 60,000 visitors stay? What would they do?
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If only could have stayed the way they were in May. And if only Trent didn't continue to regress.
Edwards had a crummy year, but he took fewer than half the snaps last year. What regressed was the Bills passing game despite TO.
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I just got around to thinking about this a little. It does sound like the fairest thing to do. But can you imagine a city like Buffalo hosting a superbowl in January?
The superbowl is more of an event than a football game anymore. Attended by people of means who can afford to go party for a week and pay stupid prices for tickets (if they even bother going to the game). I can see two nightmare scenarios:
1) The people with means google Buffalo in January and decide to take a pass. No one shows up to party, the Ralph is filled with Bills fans watching 2 other teams play in a white-out and not giving a **** about either team. The whole event never gets off the ground and Buffalo is a laughing stock.
2) The people do show up, but need to stay in hotels as far away as Syracuse or Toronto because there aren't nearly enough 4 or 5 star rooms in Buffalo. And they spend all week bitching to each other and the media about how Buffalo is not capable of hosting this event, how there is no nightlife, the weather blows, etc. etc. and Buffalo again is a laughing stock.
No matter how much you love the B-Lo, can anyone honestly say Buffalo is capable of hosting something like the superbowl?
It will never happen--there are not enough Microtels and Holiday Inn Expresses to house all the SB visitors.
As for surprise that Golic (or any player would be against a SB in bad weather--why is this surprising? Sure the Conf Champ. games may (or likely not) be played in tough weather, but no one cares who wins the CC. But if you do and your team spends 2 weeks palnning for the SB opponent, you want perfect weather conditions as a baseline. Why would any SB team want to get to that point and have the game decided by really bad weather? I bet the coaches would have voted this down in a blink.
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Once again, doc:
Here's another:
You see, Jones put together the deal that put more (local) revenue into his pocket, while freely giving away money to the players to "preserve labor peace" and prevent teams like his from having to cut players to get under the old cap. When the lower revenue owners told him to go F himself and demanded additional revenue sharing, he balked (surprise, surprise!), but finally was convinced that he couldn't have his cake and eat it too. Ralph's problem was again that "the players got too much" and the revenue sharing wasn't defined at the time. Once it was, he also signed-off on the deal. Which as we all saw and know (well, most of us saw/know), was a bad deal.
And about that "labor peace" thingy, the SCOTUS ruling, which you were SURE would be in favor of the NFL (just like you predicted the owners would keep the 2006 CBA, with nary a mention of the "situation changing"), hurt the owners WRT not being bent over by the players yet again. What's funny is that the dumb players and American Needle proved smarter than the NFL.
Ah, I get it now. Still perseverating on "billions" when you know I meant "millions," eh? Anything to deflect the truth about the owners giving close to $1B more to the players as a result of the 2006 CBA, I guess. But hey, two can play that game. "Hundereds?"
The CBA rested on the revenue sharing agreement. No one else disputes that this was the essence of the "deal". Jones, by every account, had to be dragged into agreement on this. The deal then went through. And, again, why would Ralph vote against a massive increase in shared revenue for low income teams?? Either he was too dense to realize this was a very good thing or he wasn't sure if he would qualify (due to his fat bottom line that all of the owners in the room were aware of) and therefore figured he would ruin it for teams that actually needed it and voted against it. Take your pick--either one makes him look bad, not the sage you desperately want him to be.
"Hundereds" was a typo. In stark contrast, your error betrayed a fundamental misunderstanding of the issues surrounding the CBA in particular and how wealthy men make decisions that they do and the contingencies they incorporate into these decisions in general. You can continue to fantasize that the players have the upper hand now, or that they received "59.5%" of all revenues as a result of the CBA. Or that labor peace was not the goal of a CBA (that "John Clayton made that one up"). It seems to help you, so go ahead.
Never said I "was sure" the SCOTUS would rule in favor of the NFL. Nice try. I did start a discussion ton the topic months ago that prompted great input by guys like GG and others. You stayed out of it (except to post as your former alter ego "VOR"). You are stuck on the "the players bent over the owners" level on this discussion--and maybe that's fine for you. Why bother with context?
Carry on.
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Man!---if we could sign a guy like TO, we would have the top WR duo in the league! Our QB play would improve! The young WRs would learn how to play the position by watching TO's effort-centered work ethic! Heck, even our DBs would benefit by having to cover him in practice!
Oh, wait.....sorry---thought this was May 2009.
My bad.
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You really should go back and read about it.
The only references I needed to figure that out were team payroll and cap numbers pre- and post-CBA. Even you can do the math.
"We were willing to make some sacrifices to get this thing done," said Dallas owner Jerry Jones, the most vocal opponent of revenue sharing. "The proposal from the union was a mean mother."There is a Pittsburgh model being pushed by Dan and Art Rooney of the Steelers. The plan would have each team put 25 percent of local revenues into a pool that would be distributed to teams in the lower end of the revenue streams.
There is a New England Patriots/New York Jets model that expands on an already existing local revenue sharing plan. Currently, $40 million of local revenue is being shared. The Patriots/Jets model expands that number significantly.
"There are a lot of good-meaning people in there trying really hard to look at the other guy's point of view," Jones said. "This is the deal. At the end of the day, it's all about the deal. But this is a rough deal. We have to look at how we operate clubs."
"What is good is that this is the most informed ownership I've seen in 17 years," Jones said. "They've dug down to understand the specifics beyond anything that you [would] have seen 10 years ago. There are some talented people in there. I hope something good will come of it."
Asked why the deal wasn't struck until the 11th hour, despite years of consideration, Jones said, "If I'm going to get my fanny kicked, I can put that off to another day."
Yeah, Dallas signed off on the final deal that was presented to Tags. But, as you can plainly see (or pretend not to), Jones was a vocal holdout unitl he was convinced by Kraft, Mara, Rooney and others that the compromise deal (revenue sharing) was good for the other teams (especially Ralph's beloved Bills, although he clearly didn't realize this at the time).
Yes, I did the math and it still hasn't come out to "hundereds of billions of dollars."
But keep praying for these silly owners, they know not what they do!
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There is no leeway needed. It's voluntary. When he misses something mandatory then go ahead and complain.
The guy just told you he is sitting home playing video games and has absolutely nothing else to do! Why shouldn't he be at the workouts, impressing the coach who may just throw him away otherwise?
Said it before, this kid is simply a moron.
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I'm criticizing you because you are missing the point. The NFL has achieved its success because the league has been able to corral the massive egos of the owners to dominate all other sports. What is so hard to see that the nightmare scenarios you're posing are the exact opposite of what the league has been doing for the last 50 years and that this ruling opens the door for individual owners to do what they want?
It's not really that difficult.
NFL's control and defacto single entity organization that it's been operating under i sthe only thing that's kept the Joneses in line. Now, there's no incentive for Jones or Snyder to play nice with the league.
They sucked because they're in a small market and the owner refuses to pay real money for real football people to run a real football operation. Wilson can simply sit back and collect the TV revenues and field a non-competitive product and still make a lot of money. But that's also dependent on the NFL insisting on massive revenue sharing. With this ruling, revenue sharing hypothetically could be off the table too, as owners may demand a share based on their - NFLP sales and ratings. How do the Bills shake out in that scenario?
This was a huge win for Jones & Snyder.
I think GG's right on all points. Interesting to see what happens next.
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Give me a link. Sorry if I don't trust your word.
Really? Couldn't find anything on the 2006 CBA? It was in a lot of the newspapers and on a lot of the sports shows.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2360258
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...-08-labor_x.htm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=2359623
Surprised you didn't come across it when you found the reference for the "extra hundreds of billions of dollars" the owners spent as a result of that CBA.
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You wonder when the majority of owners will tell Jones, Snyder, and Kraft to go fig themselves after their debacles with the last CBA and now this. I seriously hope they're not letting these chumps negotiate the next CBA.
Jones and Snyder didn't "negotiate" the last CBA. Jones was actually a holdout who had to be convinced by several other owners to approve.You really should go back and read about it.
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Why? they would still be subject to the salary cap. Teams keep $$ from merchandise sales at their home stadium as it is now. Nothing in the ruling says apparel bought on NFL.com or otherwise cant be shared by the league as it is now. This isnt going to have a huge affect from the merchandise side of things.
This is a somewhat of a blow to the League. If they would have won, there would never again have been a need for a CBA. But nothing else has changed----the union is still at a disadvantage.
What's to prevent JJ or anyone else from using this decision to decide who his "official Cowboys merchandiser" for gear, unis, soda, beer, etc will be? And why should he now share with the league anything he gets from a non-NFL offcial sponsor?
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Maybe he didn't understand it?
Certainly likely. Like the new overtime rule.
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Charlie Whitehurst Should Be Worrying About JP Losman, Not Matt Hasselbeck
AUTHOR: Andrew Auger
"...Pete Carroll has already put his hand picked quarterback of the future on notice, and we haven’t even reached training camp.
"Although former Bills first rounder JP Losman is still learning the system, Carroll is already praising his newest reclamation project on his major league arm:
“He’s got a lot to learn, but he has a terrific arm — a major-league arm, he’s really hungry. He wants to jump right into this thing.”
"... The competition Whitehurst should be worried about for now, shouldn’t be pushing Hasselbeck to be the week one starter; but to make sure he can hang onto his backup job with someone who has had success in this league chomping at the bit to relegate him to third string status once again.
"From ESPN: The coach has already warned Charlie Whitehurst, the backup who is pushing three-time Pro Bowler Matt Hasselbeck, that Losman is already pushing Whitehurst.
"Quote from Carroll on Seattle PI: 'I’ve already talked to Charlie (Whitehurst) about feeling the push from J.P. That’s kind of how this goes.'"
"This could all prove null and void though if Losman shows flashes of his 2006 form when he passed for 3,051 yards, 19 TD’s, 14 INT’s, a 62.5 CMP %, and an 84.9 QBR.
"That’s the difference between these two, Whitehurst hasn’t shown us his true colors yet. In contrast we already know what Losman bring to the table; a former first rounder who did not live up to expectations but has proven he can be productive in the NFL.
"It’s going to be an interesting situation to watch play out; what happens if Losman does indeed outperform Whitehurst in training camp?"
http://12thmanrising.com/2010/05/24/charli...att-hasselbeck/
Looks like an entire article was crafted around a simple toss away line by a coach who is applying early motivation for the guy he swapped a 2nd and gave up next years third for.
JP always looks great Monday through Friday. No doubt Carroll has already figured this out.
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You know Kelly basically recanted the California statement a couple days later, right?
It wasn't a naive statement by Kelly it was a stupid statement.
No, I am not a fan of Trent Edwards.
You are correct--he retracted because someone (his wife maybe?) pointed out the obvious stupidity of his California QB statement.
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20 teams polled, 5 including Bills said no thanks.
Didn't see this posted.
Ralph's been voting against a NY Super Bowl for over ten years.
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Nothing wrong with TE's comments.
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“My mentality is that it’s time to get back to work."
"So now what do I do? I can only play so much Madden.”
“I was staying in with my uncle Lee and my cousin Sam, and it got to a point where [playing video games] was all I was doing,” Lynch said. “And I got so good at the Wii bowling game I could bowl a strike from the other room."
Time to get back to work, huh? "Now what can I do?", eh? Maybe go back next week??
How bout heading down to the OBD for a little face time with the employer? A little time learning the playbook and impressing the lockerroom with your dedication to reclaiming the starting RB spot?
Wow, he really cuts a sympathetic figure.
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To the first part, I would say...exactly. he 'ain't' a rocket scientist by all accounts. But that doesn't mean he didn't try. I think by most public accounts (coaches at the time; Jaws etc) he was putting forth effort. Again, I don't think any of us are in a position to know for sure. I can teach a 16 year old to drive a car safely and follow the rules of the road...but if we then take the velocity to 190mph he may 'crack.' We can take him to a race course and have him practice at steadily increasing velocity but it doesn't mean everyone will become a 'great race driver.'
JP may have tried to get better....but he clearly kept 'crashing.'
there is nothing 'soothing' about what he did. I just think the guy deserves a little credibility for at least trying to publicly prop up 'his' city. Even if he did it half heartedly....he did it.
In any event, I appreciate the dialogue and we can agree to disagree.
Your 16 year old wasn't selected as future top professional driver. JPL was picked as the best of the best. He figured this was enough to carry him to league stardom and that a few quick PR trips into the community would endear him to the citizens of Buffalo when it became apparent to them that he wasn't a very good QB after all.
Look, a guy with his limited abilities should have been a legendary student of the game. It is apparent to me that his coaching staff--multiple coaching staffs---didn't think he was doing what he needed to, as he was benched twice in his career. EVERYBODY gave up on this guy at some point.
If you can find some evidence that he committed himself to the study of the game in an effort to improve his performance, I'd be happy to review it.
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To be honest I haven't looked at college stats for many players at all. Where Locker sits I don't know. My assessment is based on the information that I have heard on ESPN, draft web sites and youtube video. If you haven't done so take a look for him on youtube. The kid has an arm and isn't afraid to use it, he has incredible wheels scoring a 50+yd TD in one game and he has done it on a not so great team with a bad offensive line. I believe he may also be a 4 year starter. I know this will at least be his 3rd year starting.
Do you have some evidence to the contrary that makes you think that he will NOT be a good NFL prospect? I would like to make an informed decision.
He can't complete 60% of his passes or throw for 3000 yards. He's probably not even the best QB in the Pac 10.
Why is any better than even...Levi Brown?
Whitner calls Jauron's team soft compared for Gailey ( Per Nick Me
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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SJ,
I know, but I wasn't referring to "Defensive-Back" when I said "D-B". D-Bag was what I had in mind--he is definitely a first rounder there!
Inane, huh? Well, I try to supply data and fact to my posts---and I have been striving for consistency. However, on this topic I admit I am strictly giving an opinion based on my interpretation of Whitner's behavior and public comments (you may have noticed that others have done the same and even share my assessment of Donte).
I read your posts and comments and input, such as it is, and I see you do the same. But I will take the constructive criticism a long-time representative of TSW such as yourself offers to heart. Thanks for taking the time to respond!