Mr. WEO
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I totally agree with all of that. Part of my point is something I have said before, but that is tough to articulate. I think that Goodell can't just come down on players based on assumptions. 90% of the posters here believe he can. Sure he has the power and the ability to. And publicly he says he will and I think he should. I don't at all think he has too much power, nor do I think he abuses that power at all.
But I simply don't think he can just "assume" things, because the unions and teams would come down so hard on him it wouldnt be worth it. So yes, I totally agree that he can and will and should send a message that what Lynch is doing is bad for the league and put it in an embarrassing position. He can't throw the book at him.
So what I don't believe is that he can do things without really knowing. He knew Pacman did a series of bad things. He knew Marshall shot the gun. He knew that Marshawn put himself in at least one really bad situation and probably two. But he has the legal authority but not the moral authority to assume the worst. That's why he can't get too hard on Lynch and I think he knows this.
Your argument makes no sense. You say he has the legal authority, the appropriate power, and a public mandate--but not the "moral authority" to regulate moral behavior in his League? Isn't that what they pay him to do?
The Commissioner doesn't have to "assume" that ML got caught in a car in the midst of illegal drugs with a concealed, loaded, unregistered weapon. These are undisputed facts. No one has claimed otherwise--not even ML or his lawyers.
Last year, ML hit a woman with his car and after this simple accident he refused to cooperate with ANY investigation into his behavior that night--as did his buddies. Why would an attorney risk the reputation of a client who is a public figure by saying "do NOT talk to the cops about this at all" if there is a simple, innocent explanation that will quickly restore his client's reputation? This begs an explanation. None was ever offered by anybody.
What is Goodell assuming here?
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The "guessing" on your part is surely fair, and what this board is all about. We are just guessing. You may well be right.
And if Goodell does indeed have significant information about the incidents that we don't know about, and is 99% sure that the offenses were worse than the ultimate charges then I agree with you. I mean, we pretty much know OJ was guilty, so if it was something like that, sure.
But I am "guessing" that he doesn't know much more. And no one really knows what happened in either of the offenses because they weren't there and no one who was is talking. The cops smell pot in a car but they don't know if Lynch was smoking and it wasn't a lot of pot and everyone denies it. And I am guessing that Goodell knows this. Which is why I think he cuts it down by appeal and that he should.
The difference from last year's episode is that this time, he was caught in the act of commiting the crime, so details do exist from firsthand witnesses, icluding the perpetrator. Last year, ML refused to cooperate in any way (as, mysteriously, did his passenger and bar hopping mate that night), so the police could not obtain enough evidence to prove a crime had been committed.
My point was that Goodell asked ML what happened (like "were you smoking the kronic in the car?") and a 3 game suspension suggests that he did not like or believe the answer, based on his understanding of the known facts. This isn't hard to surmise, is it?
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Good thing Hardy beat up his girlfriend and infant child before he got to the NFL, or we'd be out TWO major weapons!
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While I see his point, and agree with a lot of it, I disagree with Tim as a whole here. I think 1-2 games is the correct punishment but 3 is too much. In both cases against Lynch, we really do not know what really happened. Sure, you can surmise all you want, and if you're likely to give Lynch the benefit of the doubt you will, and if you think he is a thug and/or completely irresponsible you won't. But the fact is that in both cases, the law decided the infractions were on the lesser side rather than the worse side. That doesn't at all mean it wasn't as bad as it appears.
But what it does mean is that you can't assume it was worse. If they had any more evidence against him in both cases they surely would have used it. It would be completely unfair for The Commish to just assume he knows what happened because he simply doesn't (unless he knows something the public doesn't). Even if Goodell is pretty sure Lynch was in fact more guilty than the infractions that he got, it still would not be right to base his punishment on that opinion. Yes, he has the power, yes he can do whatever he wants, but he is really going off in bad territory if he bases these things on his gut feelings.
That's why I will not at all be surprised when this is cut down to one, or more likely two games, which is what it should be based on what we know for sure.
I'm sure that Goodell spoke with the Culver City PD and as well asked ML what happened. It is easy to believe he knows things now about this incident that are not widely known. I'm guessing that he has reason to believe that he doesn't buy whatever explanation of the events of that night that ML gave him in the office.
Let it go boys--ML did this to himself and he did it to YOU. Be mad at him that he can't act like an adult. No one has ever punished this juvenile---certainly not the criminal justice system.
Maybe he needs a responsible adult male in his life---and "Daddy" isn't happy!
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Meanwhile, it gets harder and harder for high profile Folks like Marshawn Lynch to get a permit to carry a hand gun for protection.
The alternative is a 24/7 body guard because the reality is in the real world high profile folks need protection, for themselves and their loved ones.
Protection from what?? Being an idiot? From the "target on his back"? From the Commish?
Were those Lynch's "loved ones" he was smoking with in his plateless mercedes?
He could have licensed his weapon like anyone else in that jurisdiction. If he is too stupid to fill out an application, he should not be armed.
Stop making excuses for this guy. He obviously doesn't give 2 shiii8ts about you, the devoted Bills fan.
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Here's some more postitive news: early reports out of workouts are that TO's shii8t smells like roses.
Report THAT, Mort.
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Ralph isn't dead?
Yes the team reported that Peters was in excellent physical shape when he came back to the Bills. This was obvious to all who saw him play. All the extra oxygen on the sidelines he was sucking up was to feed all that fast twitch muscle he added as a result of his "regular training at home" during his holdout.
Isn't this the same staff that reported that McCargo was "happy to be back" and "We are happy to have him" immediately after their failed attempt to dump him on the Colts?
Peters only 340 pounds? impossible.
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Disagree Cat. That might be the case for a casual fan but that's not me. I think the drop off from Crowell to Ellison is quite large...and now we might have to burn a draft pick unless they think that Alvin Bowen is the answer.
Agree. And I think that Brandon's actions were not in the best interests of the team. It's his job to make decisions that are in the best interests of the team...not break out Gregg Williams' figurative bullhorn or thump his own chest.
We are all as principled as we can afford to be. You don't cut off your nose to spite your face. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Are there any other applicable cliches I missed?
"Don't cry over spilled milk."
"Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill."
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Pretend for a second that you're not a Bills fan:
SOMEONE ELSE: Hey, looks like Tampa signed Buffalo's Angelo Crowell.
YOU: Who?
----SCENE-----
Seriously though, it's not a hole if the guy hasn't been on the field since 2007.
Amen! Absolutely THE best post ever on this tired topic.
Goodbye Angelo. Enjoy your year in Florida.
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Bingo. I expected a 1-2 game suspension by Goodell and it to get reduced to nothing but a fine, again using Marshall's more egregious transgressions as the precedent. Giving him 3 games is a farce, and it will be a worse one if he ends-up serving more than 1 game.
Expecting a 1-2 game suspension that would subsequently get reduced to a fine was delusional. Still thinking that he may escape with no suspension is just bizarre.
By the way, the appeals process is.......Roger Goodell.
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Shall we get Poland to explain it to you?
I don't get that one.
Anyway, who cares if they get any interest on ESPN? Why is it important to you? Would you feel better about your team simply if they were mentioned more on national TV? Why?
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Would he still be tapped in if Roger Goodell stopped signing his paycheck? I wonder.
And as whoever wrote the story you quoted earlier has already noted, this is apparently a contract dispute.
Lori's right. Looks like he's holding out. And when he leaves the NFLN, his "sources" (his boss and other NFL employees) will no longer feed him his "scoops".
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Why are so many here obsessed with ESPN's coverage or noncoverage of the Bills?
It's pathologic.
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He has too many weapons for the O Line to be an excuse anymore...we are not even close to the worst O Line in the league and there are plenty of QB's getting it done with worse O Lines and less weapons than ours...if he doesnt step up in 2009 it will be time to explore other options...
He had plenty of time to throw last year and didnt get it done...I dont buy into the the O Line excuse for him...
He has "too many weapons"? He has one more than he had last year. Does that he mean he had "plenty" or "just enough" last year?
He had "plenty of time to throw last year"? Time to purchase a TV, bro.
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I guess understand you being cyncial. But I think Lynch is a pretty geniune person. his brother goes to school in WNY and he really does seem like a good guy. He just is hanging out with the wrong people. God knows I did a lot of stuff I'm not proud of when I was 22. Hell, i still do some of them now.
Either way, Lynch is trying to reach out to the city and i respect him for that. Are you donating your time and money to anything?
What do you know about Lynch? "He's just hanging out with the wrong people"? Really? Why is that? He has no control over who he associates with? He can't make simple adult decisions? Nonsense. This is exactly what he wants to do---he knows who these guys are that he hangs with. He knows all about them.
Yeah, we all did crazy stuff when we were young (although at 23, it's gettng a little old). But did you hit someone with your Porsche and refuse to cooperate with the police? Did you drive around in your Mercedes with your buddies smoking weed and get busted with loaded weapon in the trunk? You still doing this kind of stuff, eh?
Lynch should be spending weekends in Cali to work off his communtiy service, no?
I wish I had more time to donate. Instead, I give money.
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What't the big deal? Sort of funny.
Really, listen to some of these other guys speak---Leodis is a great example. Remember JP's post game conferences??
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I respect McGee for his contribution---it seems genuine.
Lynch would have nothing to do with this if not for getting busted recently. Getting kids off the streets, eh?
And come on---- "Kids Escaping Drugs"? Is he a sponsor or an attendee?
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Losman
Really. Since our moron OCs (currnet included) have never figured out what a TE is for, who cares if all of ours have sucked for a few years.
But JP? oof.
JP and RJ--the lost decade.
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I don't see why the A..wipe writer had to give him a hard time about his looks.He looks like a normal 40 yr old ex-jock.
How some writers seem to become gleeful at putting people down.....--well--shows what a punk he is.
What was the point of this article? TM was a bust, he made terrible choices in life, he's an addict, the draft is a crapshoot, etc....big F'ing deal. Don't they have a sports editor at cbssports.com?
Really, Todd's a mess, a laughingstock. And he has to read this hump's tired shiiii*t? Like the Freeman family tree doesn't have more than a few mugshots from various PDs. Do they get dressed up for theirs?
Hey Mike Freeman, here's some change for that great piece. Go buy a sandwich, you seem to be starving.
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Vintage Mort!!!
"When I look at the Bills right now...and the TO thing... it's desperation..."
Mort NEVER lets us down...
Signing TO for one year was not an act of deperation?
You can cheer the move, but you have to recognize it for what it is.
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About as goofy as grown adults talking about a 24 yo football player drafted 3 years ago on a message board. Especially considering 99% of those people would never say anything to Whitner's face.
Lighten up, Francis.
Does anyone believe that is actually Whitner's Facebook page?
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I must be lacking some insight, because I fail to see the relevance that this has to do with Peters.
And why is this "interesting news" at all?
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I think he is only looking for a long term deal. I don't know why the Bills hasn't done anything for him already. Maybe they are too busy dealing with Jason Peters at this time. We need a real GM.
Ignoring Peters and his agent muct take up a lot of time.
And enough with the Pro Bowl nonsense.
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When Trent proves he can put together a consistent 16 game season, he can have all of the money he wants!
Like Fitzpatrick?
Is it time yet for a positive TO report?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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OK here's a simple question for all you (new) TO fans:
Did the media give TO a bum rap before he landed in Buffalo---after he was booted off another team, not for poor performance but poor behavior?
Another: what was your opinion of him prior to him arriving in Buffalo?--was it different than that of "the press"?
Finally: what has he doen thus far, other than put on a Bills jersey, to change his reputation in your estimation?