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ok, since the obvious thing is going to be in the negative after next week's Jets loss, can we also get ESPN to run a Tom Modrak and John Guy favorability chart, as well? The whole Jauron thing is getting old. But he is working with what he has(n't). Thanks Modrak.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

and after playing a game as horrendous as that was, what is so hard about saying "Yeah, I would have boo'ed me"?

YEah, but Jauron isn't scouting these guys. MODRAK, GUY, and the entire scouting staff need to be sent packing on a 1 way trip, never to return.

Well, since this team is actually REgressing every week by getting worse, who can think of the most creative way the Bills can actually get worse than today's performance? What rock has not yet been overturned? And does anyone else believe that maybe Jauron is "just a coach...not a fan" and perhaps is deliberately trying to see what it will take to get fired?

you forgot to mention paying hundreds of dollars every year for NFL Sunday Ticket and getting to watch a high school football team in Bills uniforms for the past few years. That to me, defines me as insane.

"Uh, Marshawn?....."

Cash, you are right on this one. The Miami Dolphins had a goon of a strength coach a few years back. He lasted all of 1 season and alot of players were banged up that year. When asked why he was not brought back, it was because his approach to training caused alot of injuries and overuse to the players bodies which helped contribute to the misfortune on the field. I don't remember the rash of injuries with Rusty Jones. Although, I will add that players were probably not as juiced 10 years ago as they so obviously are now. I think the anabolics are just as much to blame as a neanderthal strength coach.

Do you guys think that we could lure Rusty jones back to Buffalo?

This just in: The "volcano brewing" was Ralph's bowels after somebody switched his 32 oz of Coke with 32 oz of Prune Juice and he ate a Stadium hot dog.

Apologies!? I think we should find the two enablers and tar-and-feather them out of town!

My sentiments exactly.

Don't forget Modrak and Guy!

A-freakin'-men!

Good point. Although I truly think promoting April would just extend the same mentality on the team that already exists. Coaching and GM'ing on the cheap has got to be over with. until then, this will continue.

THANK you! My fear is that all of the Jauron haters will miss the 2 bozo's responsible for the "talent" on the field- John Guy and Tom Modrak and those 2 will somehow escape unharmed.

Dude, please do not forget John Guy and Tom Modrak. Those 2 clowns have been a part of this for the past 10 years. And if the Bills played the Chiefs or Rams, they would lose to give those 2 teams their first and only wins of the season. I really can't conceive how Wilson wouldn't fire Jauron. The team is actually getting worse, EVERY week.

Hey Dc Bills fan. I sit here in NOVA, and wanted a refund on Sunday Ticket. The penalties are completely an indicator that this team has quit. That is all on Jauron. All their stupid buddy buddy crap has got to come to an end. Jauron may dust their pillows before they tuck in for the night, but it does nothing to help the team win. The entire staff needs to go. Brandon needs to be moved to marketing. Nix needs to be promoted. john Guy and Modrak have GOT to be fired along with the coaching staff. A Real GM needs to be hired. The real GM needs to bring in a real scouting department (remember when the Bills were constantly drafting hidden gems?). Then said GM can bring in a real coach, who will then bring in real coaches to help make a team. I really did not think that the Bills could be 7-9 or worse with the addition of TO. But they pulled it off. So much for the "all they need is a capable #2 receiver" argument.

The Bills suck! That's about it.

Did anyone else hear Gregg Williams last week, that when he was coach of the Bills they came within a few picks of selecting Drew Brees as their QB? Excuse me? The Bills wanted Drew Brees? I stopped this internet chatter for awhile, took the dog for a walk, and mulled this over. The next season, the Bills used a #1 pick to trade to the hated Patriots to obtain Drew Bledsoe. Two seasons later they used a #1 pick on JP Losman. Now, I don't pretend to know who the Patriots selected with that pick, but can you guys imagine what those 2 picks would have been able to address team-wise if we had gotten Brees? Then I started to think of the other 1st round picks of the past decade. Mike Williams, Drew Bledsoe, JP Losman, John McCargo...those are 4 1st rounders wasted. Lynch and Evans are fine. I like the past 3 drafts. It shows, what I believe to be the ineffectiveness of both Tom Modrak and John Guy. 1st rounders are players, in today's salary climate, that need to come in and produce. As far as WR's go- Parrish is a return ace and therefore may somewhat justify his 2nd round selection. But what is up with James Hardy? Is this guy ever going to get onto the field? Why does it seem as though the Bills are the only problem with developing talent? Now, living here in the DC area I know that the Redskins have been terrible with drafting as well (Malcolm Kelly, etc). But the Bills failures in the first round of the drafts have been pretty bad and IMO have truly been the source of what is keeping the Bills in mediocrity. I would then follow that up with spending on the wrong players. Pat Williams' loss hurt the interior of the 'D' for a few seasons. He should have been retained. The same should have been said for Antione Winfield. See, one thing that I am starting to notice is that the successful teams, the really successful teams find a way to draft and develop AND RETAIN their own talent. Clements cost too much. Spikes was the right decision based on the nature of his injury. But Fletcher should have been retained. Kelsay is waaaay overpaid based on his production. Now with Maybin, Kelsay is more a financial liability than a team asset. The second way that the Bills have been losing is that they are making the wrong decisions on the wrong players. Was Peters a bad move? I don't pretend to doubt his ability. I am not a Peters detractor. I do believe that it was wrong for him to hold the organization hostage for reworking a deal that still had wet ink and that was 3 seasons prior to expiring. He held out for 2 consecutive offseasons, despite was the Bills told him about staying patient, and he would get paid. Looking at the deals they have handed out to Jackson, Kelsay, Schobel, Williams, Evans, etc he should have perhaps listened. I believe that the Bills would have paid him. But he would not wait. So he was shipped out. his demands AT THE TIME HE MADE THEM offset the salary structure. I wish the whole situation never occurred and the Bills still had him. But not for those tactics. So, it seems a two-fold problem for the Bills. 1.) Failing to find and draft top-tier talent in the top-tier portion of the draft. 50/50 (at best) just doesn't cut it (jury is still out on Whitner). 2.) Failing to retain the correct talent and allowing the draft to round out and build depth for later on (Fletcher, Pat Williams, A. Winfield). But if the Bills had obtained Brees, that maybe would have fixed alot right now. We wouldn't be searching for a franchise leader who can make quick decisions. We may have even used atleast 2 of those 4 first round picks on offensive lineman who can start and dominate. We may not even have needed to sign Owens.

Ah, the argument you make is pure imagination since all of the league was sold on Peters as a Pro Bowl tackle worthy of ATLEAST a first rounder. Go back and read your ESPN, sir. On a separate note, and I don't know if this is worthy of its own thread, but did anyone else hear Gregg Williams last week, that when he was coach of the Bills they came within a few picks of selecting Drew Brees as their QB? Excuse me? The Bills wanted Drew Brees? I stopped this internet chatter for awhile, took the dog for a walk, and mulled this over. The next season, the Bills used a #1 pick to trade to the hated Patriots to obtain Drew Bledsoe. Two seasons later they used a #1 pick on JP Losman. Now, I don't pretend to know who the Patriots selected with that pick, but can you guys imagine what those 2 picks would have been able to address team-wise if we had gotten Brees? Then I started to think of the other 1st round picks of the past decade. Mike Williams, Drew Bledsoe, JP Losman, John McCargo...those are 4 1st rounders wasted. Lynch and Evans are fine. I like the past 3 drafts. It shows, what I believe to be the ineffectiveness of both Tom Modrak and John Guy. 1st rounders are players, in today's salary climate, that need to come in and produce. As far as WR's go- Parrish is a return ace and therefore may somewhat justify his 2nd round selection. But what is up with James Hardy? Is this guy ever going to get onto the field? Why does it seem as though the Bills are the only problem with developing talent? Now, living here in the DC area I know that the Redskins have been terrible with drafting as well (Malcolm Kelly, etc). But the Bills failures in the first round of the drafts have been pretty bad and IMO have truly been the source of what is keeping the Bills in mediocrity. I would then follow that up with spending on the wrong players. Pat Williams' loss hurt the interior of the 'D' for a few seasons. He should have been retained. The same should have been said for Antione Winfield. See, one thing that I am starting to notice is that the successful teams, the really successful teams find a way to draft and develop AND RETAIN their own talent. Clements cost too much. Spikes was the right decision based on the nature of his injury. But Fletcher should have been retained. Kelsay is waaaay overpaid based on his production. Now with Maybin, Kelsay is more a financial liability than a team asset. The second way that the Bills have been losing is that they are making the wrong decisions on the wrong players. Was Peters a bad move? I don't pretend to doubt his ability. I am not a Peters detractor. I do believe that it was wrong for him to hold the organization hostage for reworking a deal that still had wet ink and that was 3 seasons prior to expiring. He held out for 2 consecutive offseasons, despite was the Bills told him about staying patient, and he would get paid. Looking at the deals they have handed out to Jackson, Kelsay, Schobel, Williams, Evans, etc he should have perhaps listened. I believe that the Bills would have paid him. But he would not wait. So he was shipped out. his demands AT THE TIME HE MADE THEM offset the salary structure. I wish the whole situation never occurred and the Bills still had him. But not for those tactics. So, it seems a two-fold problem for the Bills. 1.) Failing to find and draft top-tier talent in the top-tier portion of the draft. 50/50 (at best) just doesn't cut it (jury is still out on Whitner). 2.) Failing to retain the correct talent and allowing the draft to round out and build depth for later on (Fletcher, Pat Williams, A. Winfield). But if the Bills had obtained Brees, that maybe would have fixed alot right now. We wouldn't be searching for a franchise leader who can make quick decisions. We may have even used atleast 2 of those 4 first round picks on offensive lineman who can start and dominate. We may not even have needed to sign Owens.

You obviously have no concept of team building. You don't negotiate with terrorists. Jason Peters had 2-3 years remaining on his deal when he all of sudden got the itch to be the highest paid at his position. He held out for an entire camp, and it clearly affected his ability in the first 3-4 games, and he struggled mightily as some have have even gone out and stated that he gave up 11 sacks on his own last year. Clearly not Pro Bowl material, but guess what? He was voted back to the Pro Bowl again. The Pro Bowl is nothing more than a popularity contest. The players have even come out and said as much. Therefore, The Pro Bowl is not indicative of talent. If all players suddenly had an inflated sense of value, then if they see the Bills cave to Peters unwarranted, me-first demands then other will follow. Trying not to build a team of me-first mentalities, the Bills did not succumb to Peters 2 years of pressure. As far as your Patriots argument, they do it constantly. Damien Woody was replaced by a rookie. Ty Law was let go. Drew Bledsoe, Lawyer Milloy, Gay, Stallworth, their receiver #80- can't remember the name...all were on par demanding to be paid more and all were traded, let go, or signed elsewhere. Look at the recent dealing of Richard Seymour to the Raiders. Same deal. He will be due at the end of the year. Are his skills in decline? Maybe, maybe not. Needless to say, when the salary works against the team-first mentality and salary structure that the Pats have, 1 player will not rock the boat. Peters would have been cut or traded. Who was the last Patriots player to hold out and not be traded? You also mention that he was on the "hot list" of undrafted free agents. Really?!? Then why were the Bills the only team to sign him? If he was so coveted, then why wasn't he drafted? Bottom line, the Bills took a chance and developed an undrafted TE into a LT in the NFL. Finally, I would say that the Bills far from bungled this one. Atleast they were able to take a former undrafted TE, develop him into a star LT, then, when the fish got too big for the pond got SOMETHING OF VALUE for the player in the way of a 1st round draft pick and an extra one. So lets see, Peters cost them nothing in the draft, and they were able to have him play a few seasons for them at a relative bargain, and then get a 1st round draft pick for an undrafted player who is only concerned about his pay check? That's far from bungling. That is shrewd. Bills won that situation.

If you read the article though, Trent didn't talk smack. He simply stated that after the game he thought that it was the hurry-up offense that tired out their D-linemen. Melvin Fowler was then quoted as saying more deragatory comments towards the D-line of the Raidah's. Ryan clearly has a wild hair and has not been too successful plucking it by himself, so he's looking to have other's share in his misery. Maybe he's crying because he keeps having defenses that suck.

I think he goes to the sideline crying to Jauron. Then TO comes over, starts crying claiming "That's my Quarterback, man". Come to think of it, maybe the Bills should switch their uniforms to pink.

You would think, wouldn't you? Some part of me thinks that if Jauron posted it in the locker room to fire up the troops, Trent would be, well...crying, and the rest of the team would forfeit the game. Now if it was Kelly, I think 480 yards passing, 38 of 42 with 4 touchdowns would be the order of the day. Y'know, but what am I thinking? Jauron actually using bulletin board material to inspire the team would be too much a credit to actual coaching ability. He would never do that.