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I guess the only difference in opinion is that I see more potential there than you. I'm not pretending to be a Qb guru or anything, so for all I know the kid could end up being a bust. He's shown me enough to believe he can improve. To me you give players with great potential and a winning pedigree the benefit of more than two seasons. He has also been a strong leader in the past.

He played while injured alot of the season.

You are inaccurate and I question how many Titans games you have actually watched. I don't even like VY! I can't believe I'm even defending his play. Bottom line is he's not great but he's not terrible either. Clowns like you are incapable of putting together a reasonable conclusion, so you just spew the same garbage over and over again. The guy is not a bust yet and it's idiotic to try and prove he is.

He played one year after his rookie season and was injured alot of it! What are you talking about?

I might be crazy but the kid has only played two seasons. He makes mistakes sure but he makes up for alot of them with spectacular plays as well. Is it possible he could improve his passing? Vince Young never had to play in a traditional Qb role in college and I think he has adapted about as well as could be expected. IMO he was more about potential than he was polish coming out of college. I completely agree with you that he needs to be a passer first to have success in the NFL but that doesn't happen over night. Meanwhile prior to his injury he won games for his team with his athletic ability. You might be right that VY drops a couple more games than Collins this year. On the otherhand maybe the Titans aren't one and done in the playoffs and VY makes something happen where Collins couldn't.

I make my judgement that he is a winner based on his college record and NFL record. You can base it on his mental issues 6 months ago if you like. He does have all world talent and to deny it is foolish. All skill position players who get drafted in the top 3 have big time talent. Talent doesn't equal success but don't deny the obvious. Again, I'm not trying to say he's the next coming of Montana but take a break from the negativity people.

I like this idea. David Carr is worth a look.

I can only think of recent mistakes. I gave JP the benefit of the doubt way too much. I undervalued how good Fletcher was. I thought Lynch was going to be a mistake. I assumed everything Marv did was gold, until I looked closer ( as GM ). I undervalued Josh Reed for a long time. I overvalued Nate Clements. I laughed at the Flutie aquisition. I loved the Rob Johnson move. I believed Mike Williams was going to be one of the best ever.

He went 8-5 his rookie year, with four come from behind fourth quarter victories. He also scored on a long TD run in overtime that same year. He was awarded ROY and went to the pro-bowl. His 2007 season was effected by an array of injuries but he still led the team to the playoffs and engineered a handful of comeback drives. He was then injured in the beginning of the 2008 season and never returned. You can keep your stats! I prefer wins!

I respectfully disagree. I'm not saying he's a worldbeater at this point but I get more out of watching him play than tallying up his stats. He was winning with the Titans before he got hurt and it wasn't despite him. His playoff team wasn't as good as this years team either. He's not going anywhere, so time will tell.

Sage you state the obvious. I'm suprised it's even being contested.

You and I differ in many ways my friend. I think it's obvious to most viewers how childish you are but I wish you luck in your quest and journey into manhood. It can be a longer journey for some.

You have a nasty habit of twisting words around. I said he has physical tools comparable to Cunningham. Cunnigham is obviously the superior player at this point. Vince Young has shown flashes of greatness in the NFL, whether you want to admit it or not and your a little quick to right off a talented player who has had early success.

In, one word yes. I want my quarterback playing his best down the stretch. Do you prefer he gets his best games out of his system early? Do you think it's significant that Trent beat out a rookie statistically in his first five NFL games? I think it's more telling that the rookie greatly improved as the season progressed and Trent completely fell apart. The Bills have arguably more weapons and better pass protection as well. The Ravens could barely let Heap leave the freaking LOS this year.

Vince Young is on par with Cunnigham as far as physical tools go. That's about as elite as you can get. He at times has been unstoppable.

I happen to also have the opinion that the talent/youth of the team was a bigger problem than the coaching. I'm not going to tell you that the coaching staff was without flaw but I'm ok with giving them another chance. The fact that most people here blaim everything on the coaching staff shouldn't have any influence on your own opinion. I can respect any opinion out there but TSW has alot of sheep. With that being said, I disagree with your statement "great coachs take whatever talent they have and find a way to win". The NFL has "great" coachs get fired every year, did they forget how to be great?

You seem to be 28 going on 14. Get a grip, your life shouldn't be dictated by who the owner of the Buffalo Bills is. What do you do log into TSW in between boxing up all your crap and cancelling your Sunday ticket? No one cares if you are struggling with a love/hate realationship with the Bills. In fact if it's true you are a weakminded individual and bring shame to Bills fans. Spare us all the dramatics please!

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Vince Young will not be out of the NFL anytime soon. He could be dropped next week and more than half the NFL would be trying to figure out how to get this guy on their team. Like alot of young Qbs he has been wildly inconsistent but the difference is, Vince has a much higher ceiling. The Titans sure as hell haven't given up on him and he's going to be their future starter. Obviously he has had his personal issues this year but don't mistake that for something it's not. He's a competitor and I'd take him on the Bills in a second. I'm not saying I like him better than Trent but neither are a sure thing. When Vince has played well, he has played at a level that Trent hasn't shown. As far as Hardy goes, what has he shown at all? I know the 3 year rule that everybody likes to live and die by, but I don't get the comparison. While I don't advocate calling him a "bust", I refuse to stick my head in the sand and ignore his play until the third season. Watching how all three of these guys play the game is the only way to get a feel on their potential. The stats don't mean half as much.

I agree with you that the product on the field is not any better. However, I do think this group of players is younger and has alot of room to improve.

Warner played about as well as any Qb played all year against the Steelers. Just because the touchdowns weren't scored when Simon preferred them, doesn't mean they don't count. Take away Big Ben's fourth quarter stats while your at it and tell me what you get.

You sunk your own argument.

Anything is possible. They made it happen last year!

Ha Ha Ha! What a turd!

Thanks Bill, I never really picked up on that. It's easy to be fooled into just looking at size I guess.

What's in the Jacksonville water?