thebandit27

Yep. It's all part of the evaluation. Look, I'm an Anderson guy. Very good player. But he's the kind of guy that can be found in the mid rounds is my point.

$3-$4M is rotational guy money. DaQuan Jones type money.

Care to explain? He averages 700 yards and 5 TDs per season--this includes the McCown year. #maths If we're going full snark I could reply that pointing to his one season of three with 900 yards is quite convenient to your argument. Or we can just discuss the merits and leave that stuff out.

Best guess without seeing: it's an adjustment by the backs based on man vs zone coverage

That's a no-brainer kill call for me then (with the benefit of hindsight I mean). That's got to be part of their game plan too--I would bet a hefty sum that Daboll got in Josh's ear about that one.

Oh I'm sure...just part of the equation with a rookie as green as Allen. Shoot, there are vet QBs who I'm 100% certain wouldn't make that check.

Yes and no. Were it an actual run play, his assignment would be DL97, since that's who's in the play-side gap, so he has to show the play-side action to DL97 to sell the run. However, my guess is that he's supposed to kickslide back out to cut off DL90's route to the boot action. Tough job for him. If I'm "blaming" anyone, I'd say that Allen should probably have gotten them out of that play with a kill call at the LOS--just go to the zone stretch run. But I don't remember down and distance, nor do I know the personnel set and audible options. In the very least he should've gotten DiMarco to the other side of the backfield pre-snap. Keep in mind though: I'm making an educated guess about the play design.

That's an error for sure. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cincinnati-bengals/

Good. I'd try to make it a 2-year deal if I could. Give him a decent bump to $3.5-$4M per and allow him the ability to hit the market again before he's 30.

Looks like a PA designed to appear as a zone stretch to suck the safeties up. If so, then every OLmen should be blocking whoever is in the gap to their left. If uncovered, he should turn back and double the backside gap. Which means that Jerome Baker is designed unblocked--you hope he pursues down the line on the play fake.

That is my expectation

Nope

Yeah that's where we differ: I'm much more willing to wager a pick and a contract that a WR that's been super-productive for a half-decade will continue to be a legit WR1 for 2+ years than I am to bet picks and a contract on a guy that's never been a WR1; especially if that guy is only 29 like Julio or 30 like AJ Green and Antonio.

I guess I'm still confused. You think that Foster can be better than Anderson (which I don't think is ridiculous by the way), but you also think that it's common sense to prefer trading a 2nd round pick for a WR that averages 700 yards and 5 TDs per year (plus has multiple off-field issues) over trading a 1st round pick for one of the 3 best WRs in football simply due to age? Maybe the corollary I'm drawing isn't evident the way I'm presenting it: if you can so easily find a WR that can put up Anderson/Foster type numbers, why trade a 2nd round pick for him? It's very uncommon, however, to find a WR that can put up Julio/AB/Hopkins/OBJ type numbers, let alone to do so past the 1st round, which is why I think it makes more sense. Again, I'm not trying to blast you here; I simply don't understand the duality of thinking here.

I think you're missing the point here. It isn't about where I had him graded; it's that players of Anderson's caliber can be found from round 3 all the way down to UDFAs, and it happens every year. As you point out: Buffalo found Foster off the UDFA scrap heap just last offseason. Also: whoa I'm confused, because I thought you responded much differently earlier in this thread:

Yes, it's important to be able to scout well.

Maybe I'm just reading it wrong then...seemed like you were saying that average talent upgrades would be enough.

And even if you like him (or Boettger for that matter), this team has too long operated under the assumption that unproven guys will be solid starters. They need to approach things as though they don't know what they have. I'd rather have too many players at guard than too few.

I don't think it's enough to put them where they need to be...IMO, this team needs a skill position player that keeps opposing DCs up at night. I don't think Shady's that guy any more, and even if he ends up being able to play that role, it's not prudent to assume it. I'd rather get one guy that opposing teams need to game plan to stop and 4 menial upgrades than 5 decent upgrades (if that makes sense).

Sure, but you're talking about a bird in the hand versus having to give up draft assets to get a guy who's equal you can probably draft with that same pick and pay peanuts over the next 4 years.

Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but here's the 2019 PFF FA Tracker: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2019-nfl-free-agent-tracker I'm not a huge fan of their grading system, but they do compile a nice list of FAs by type and snap count, which I find useful.

Could you imagine a focused OBJ with Allen? He did hold out of offseason activities because he wants a new deal. There's smoke there. Will they deal him? I don't know, but I bet they'd listen

Or maybe I'm just good at cutting straight to the heart of the matter. Boyst knows his stuff, so when he talks football I pay him mind. There are a good number of posters on this board that really know their stuff. Try not to take things personally--I didn't think our previous exchanges were particularly incendiary in any way and bare you no ill will. Now, to Anderson: That scrub vet QB had by far his best NFL season--completing a career-high 67% of his passes and throwing for a career-high yardage total. It's worth noting that Anderson was much more productive with McCown than with the #3 overall pick. Like I said, I was Anderson booster Numero Uno back in 2016. I had him rated as a 3rd round pick when most folks had him as a day 3 guy and NFL GMs decided that he wasn't even worth a 7th--so when I say that I wouldn't trade a 2nd for him, it's not because I don't like the player. It's because you can find a WR2 pretty readily in rounds 3-5. If I'm giving up a 2nd round pick, I want a WR1, since that's where you get guys like Michael Thomas, JuJu, Allen Robinson, Davante Adams, and a few others that are bona fide WR1s. For me, it's all about most efficient use of resources, and trading a 2nd for a WR2 that needs a new contract and has off-field issues isn't as palatable as trading a 1st for a WR1--because it's a much more difficult position to fill.

Good call! Ray Brown would be an excellent choice

Beach chairs bruh