Cru Jones

The jersey Manuel is holding up at the draft has the collar from the '11 season and not that god awful white neck roll looking thing? I was reading about it on uni-watch then noticed the draft pictures. Looks like they and other teams have ditched it too. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-975XvOvAR98/UXy3xjICcCI/AAAAAAAAHCo/EJ74bpK_ixo/s1600/no+collars.jpg'>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-975XvOvAR98/UXy3xjICcCI/AAAAAAAAHCo/EJ74bpK_ixo/s1600/no+collars.jpg And http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-975XvOvAR98/UXy3xjICcCI/AAAAAAAAHCo/EJ74bpK_ixo/s1600/no+collars.jpg Hallelujah!

You are missing my point, yes it's hindsight but Watt went where he was should have and Locker/ Ponder went way before they should and Gabbert went about where he was supposed to at the time. I apologize for the hindsight but I'm only using it to prove that teams fall for the idea that if you don't have a QB and theres one you like, you need to take him as early as possible. There seems to be a trend of teams assuming that the best or next best QB available is the best player available and let their need cause them to fall in love with sub-par talent. Meanwhile better players fall to better teams and the rich get richer and the poor are stuck watching a sub par QB struggle on a bad team. As I said in another post why take EJ Manuel at 16 (whom Marrone says needs lots of work) if he can't even beat out Kevin Kolb in his rookie year. I want to see this team win and if they are going to take a QB in the first round he better be ready to play and not be a project with huge upside who might have been had later on. I want to also say that as hard as I've been on this pick I don't think Manuel is a bad pick I think its an irresponsible pick they paid to high a price for someone who is to too big of a risk. This is a luxury pick that should have been made by a good team looking to groom an heir apparent, I'm not making any friends with my opinions here and this isn't gonna help but this reminds me of the Aaron Maybin pick. A bad team taking a guy for his upside over his ability to contribute right away, teams don't get better that way.

My nausea is telling me a couple things... 1. There were a lot of would's and could's supporting those "facts." 2. I don't see all five of those teams grabbing a QB 3. Even if there were 5 taken, I don't see much of a gap in the talent in the 1st and 6th Qbs available. That's my opinion not Kiper or McShay's, those guys aren't true evaluators because they factor in what they hear from outside sources, also they believe there was 1st rd talent at the QB position, I don't. Thank you though for being arrogant enough to assume that my opinions are just their regurgitations because they run counter to your own. Next time I do listen to someone, I'll seek out the knowledge and experience of the guy with 5 billion posts on a message board because that's where the "facts" reside.

Is that acceptable to you as a fan? We don't have a good Qb so were going to pass over actual talent and take one because that's "how drafting QBs goes." It isn't to me. I'm sure the titans and Jags could find somebody to play just as good as Locker/ Gabbert while JJ Watt is playing for them instead of kicking their teeth in twice a year. A legit QB talent can drastically change a franchise but taking one in the first round does not make him a franchise QB. Those teams are hurting because they bought in to the myth of 'if you don't have one, you gotta get one' and forced themselves to fall in love with guys that weren't that talented and passed on guys who were and that's what buffalo did.

That would have been the best thing to happen to the Bills. They could have gotten on the phone and moved back some, the 49ers moved up to 18 and falcons to 22. My overarching theme of this post though, is that they were the only team that didn't know that no one else was going to move back, trade up, or stay put to take one of these Qbs in the first round. Also that these QBs are not that good and whomever you pick is only going to be as succesful as the situation they go into. I'd rather have Eifert and Justin Rodgers to go along with whatever qb was left I don't care if its Glennon or Jones whether its at 46 or the 7th rd over a project with terrible accuracy that wont play this year.I would also bet big money that Barkley, Nassib or both are sitting there at 46. Look at Cincinatti compared to Buffalo right now, I like Dareus but had they taken AJ Green instead Fitz might be the Bills QB still because guys like that make middling QBs look good. That's what is happening with the bengals right now, they have a nice qb but not an elite one so what do they do? they team him with Green, and instead of a being content with one good WR like buffalo, they draft another one (Sanu) and even though they have a good TE in Gresham they grab Eifert too. So as much as I am crapping on EJ Manuel there is hope he can be a player, but you don't take a QB at 16 if he isnt going to beat out Kevin Kolb or Tavaris Jackson right away when there is talent to be had at positions of need that can help this horrible team right now.

That was his team today. If the bills didn't want Smith, and the jets didn't take him either, and at 16 the bills were the last team with a QB need, why wouldn't they take someone they can use right away instead of rolling the dice like the incompetent dolts that they are? Even I knew as soon as the jets didn't take Geno that there wouldn't be a QB taken in rd 1. Within about 3 minutes after the jets pick I had the QB scenario figured out for rd2. A. Trade up to 31/32 to grab a QB ahead of the next team that needs one (jax) which I understand isn't Rd 2 but almost. B. Since the Eagles were the other team with strong interest in Manuel, and the Bills felt they had to have him you trade ahead of them to 34 with SF. Or I believe this is the best option, C. You take whatever Qb is available at that point because they are all pretty much Projects or guys who might be ready but have low ceilings, and don't they have to give up a pick to do so. None of the QBs available could start for for the Bills or any other team this year, no QBs were good enought to be drafted day 1 and only one team was incompetent enought to not know it. Oh, and of all the projects, they took the one who needs the most time to develop. Way to go morons you panicked and panicked hard, get your F'ing heads out of the sand and look at whats going on around you. Like the Broncos in '11 you didn't need to make this pick and it was obvious to everyone but you. Hey buddy, better get some linemen tomorrow to protect Kolb, Jackson, Korp and whatever retreads you bring in to play for the next 5 years until EJ is ready to go. This pick makes me wanna f'ing puke.

Unless you meant that his gums got more airtime than Elway himself he had the most SB appearances. Elway 5 SB (2 wins) 86, 87, 89, 97, 98.

1. Barkley, but not at #8. 2. Smith, Wilson. 3. Glennon. If they don't have a guy in the first 3 rounds I don't care what round they get someone. in order of preference from rd 3 on. Jones Nassib Manuel Bray After these guys there's nobody that I believe is worth drafting at this point in their development.

This is my favorite all-time SB ad and it never gets mentioned, ever. From Broncos v. Packers or Broncos v. Falcons I give you "Evil Beaver."

Have one, although not a big jersey wearer I'll partake for Bills games and the Super Bowl and Since I will not wear Bills gear for the Super Bowl until they go again, Tillman has been my go to SB jersey.

So based on this past success; is it safe to say that Glenn will be wearing green and eating cheese steaks in the city of brotherly love come contract time?

1. Meh 2. EeeIdontknokay 3. Good 4. Woo! 5. Disappointed 6. Depends on what they give up, but would love to have him. 7. Mother F#cker!!!!!

I'm seeing 10 wins on this schedule, not counting jets or pats, which are can always be up in the air.

Just read a few of the news stories about this and am just wondering, are any of you are any of you as annoyed as I am to hear a clamoring for a domed/retractable roof stadium? Personally I would love a downtown venue, as long as there is enough parking/ tailgating space and a better or at least equal (to the ralph) traffic situation to and from the game. I realize what it could create some vigor in the city as a multi-use facility, but as a Bills fan I can't help but be selfish and only think of what it means to me as a fan. If there is a roof, in my opinion it will close in November and not open til May, I hope I'm wrong about this, but Ive rarely seen teams with retractable roofs keep them open in the cold. Especially in the Super Bowl even in warm areas like AZ and Houston where the roofs are for when it's too hot, the NFL chose to keep them shut. And in Toronto a few years ago the players wanted to open the roof in December and it didnt happen. So what I'm selfish about as a fan is this, there is a mystique about the Bills that goes beyond the players and organization, the harsh weather and grizzled, maniac fans who withstand it and enjoy it through thick and thin have been the true Identity of this team and I'd hate to lose it so that an RV or boat show can come through town. One more thought... Of these 5 cities who has the worst weather? Minneapolis, Cleveland, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, New York, Chicago. Of those cities whose football team is never in the conversation as having the best fans? Hint: the answer to both questions is the team that plays under a roof.

Dude, Bite your tongue! Ditullio! There have been few worse sports talk radio guys ever, EVER! He's even worse than Brad Davies, which is seemingly impossible!!! C'mon, he does celebrity birthdays and never fails to talk about a "great" Pittsford-Sutherland vs Fairport JV girls Basketball game the night before, on the same day there is major pro sports news. He's awful, absolutely awful. Unless you have a daughter on a local JV basketball team or want to hear how great Penn State is.

Are you taking about dre Kirkpatrick, also Wallace says he wats Larry fitzgerald $, they don't have that to spend.

1. didn't say the game doesn't help the Bills financially, or that I didn't like that fact. 2. Didn't say the leafs or Toronto fans in general aren't passionate, I'm just saying if you want to see the most passionate leaf fans you gotta come to buffalo. The tickets are hard to come by for average income die hard fans because of the price, and in order to see their team they have to buy more affordable and available tickets for Sabres games. As in any city, season tickets are a status symbol, and in a thriving and highly populated Canadian city with a storied hockey team tickets are more expensive and harder to come by which makes them even more of a status symbol. And I'll say it again having the money to afford expensive tickets doesn't make you a crappy fan, it's just that the status and expense of them invite people who care more about having the tickets than supporting their team, thats why your home croud is weaker than your road crowd. This happens in buffalo too, who do you think scalps all those tickets to leaf fans? This is why the Toronto game atmosphere sucks, any real bills fan in Ontario knows its a better experience and costs about the same amount to travel to buffalo and go to the Ralph than to pay for a ticket to the game at the skydome. Similarly to leafs games it seems there are people there who care as much or more for the novelty and status of the event than the team or teams playing, even an opposing fan is better than a neutral one in my opinion. I don't care how people spend their money, but in a team sport where crowd noise from the "home" crowd is an advantage it sucks to see that people who could care less about the teams or the outcome are a good portion of the attendees and the lack of advantage for the Bills. 3. As for the argument about the Bills failing to put a good product on the field, it would change nothing. There would be more demand and a higher price for the tickets which would only mean there would be more of the same, the better the team, better the novelty and status that comes with having tickets, still a bad atmosphere. Unless I'm wrong and you guys like the Bills like you like the Blue Jays: when they're contenders. You are correct about one thing though, if they have the money let them spend it how they like, I just wish they would spend it on the "many other things to do in a major city." Disclaimer----I realize that not all the leaf fans who come to Sabres games are from the metro area of Toronto but from all over Ontario, and for those fans who only go to a few games a year it's just easier to go to them in buffalo. Which can be nice I hear, because they can get really high before the game at home and their car doesn't smell like weed when they go through customs, if it doesn't already. One disadvantage though, you can only listen to the Hip hits album not the whole anthology.

They're Idiots because they show up to Bills v. Redskins wearing 49ers and Steelers gear and "cheer the big plays", as George Wilson said. Football or even non-football fans are going these games, not Bills fans, It's not a Bills game its an NFL event, more importantly its a people who can afford it event. The fact is, they pay way more money to make it a crappy atmosphere for people that payed the same amount, who know and want the same incredible atmosphere a real Bills game has. That's not to say all Toronto fans are idiots, or that everybody willing and can spend more money are not great fans, the Toronto fans who show up in Buffalo either at the Ralph for the Bills, or at First Niagara against the Sabres, rich or not, are awesome fans. The fans that travel to Sabres games are worse on the Sabres fans at home than they are in Toronto. Again the fans at big Toronto sports events are the ones who can pay or justify paying for tickets. I know some idiot that payed $1200 to see the UFC at the SkyDome, $1200!!! UFC!!! and they weren't even ringside seats, and if/when the Jays go to another World Series, the die-hard Blue Jays fan who manages the Beer Store in your town isn't going to any of those games unless he pawns his Gordie Howe rookie card. What I am saying, and a lot of bills fans are saying, and even George Wilson is saying is: if you're not a fan of the Bills or even the "visiting" team and your only reason for spending a couple hundred or thousand dollars on a ticket(s)is to wear your $400 authentic Joe Montana Jersey that you bought because he was your favorite player in grade 8, we'd prefer you just do what you do best, show up late and leave early to Leafs games. Or watch the 49ers game.

Holy Cripes! Bills fans are so happy about signing Mario that the Toronto game has become more palatable? I despise the Toronto game, but as I read I couldn't help but agree,(with the exception of the two being connected somehow)this is a mind f*ck. Thank you Buddy & co. Now as we always say in Buffalo, I'm going to GO enjoy this march weather.

That was perfect timing and it would have given the fans a chance to have their say in the matter. That place would have been an absolute zoo tonight.

Per rotoworld

Sanu is going Back to Rutgers Next Season, so maybe in 2013

He'll suck. Cam Newton he is not.

Slow....Clap well played Sir.