Thurman#1

The only time that Beane or McDermott have done that is when they spent the previous year accumulating massive amounts of draft capital with the intention of trading up for a franchise QB. Maybe. Maybe not. Opinion. IMO if he were all that much better, he wouldn't be in play when we pick around 30th. He wouldn't be in play anywhere near that. And comparing the behavior of two teams is perfectly fair, especially when replying to someone who said that the Chiefs went to the SB the year after drafting an RB in the first. And again, when the Chiefs picked an RB in the first, they had not picked RBs in the 3rd round the previous two years. I personally am more interested in countering the Chiefs than copying them, but when a guy suggests we copy them, of course it makes sense to point out the differences between the two situations.

Yup. And selecting that RB provided the kind of rocket fuel to their team performance that allowed them to go from winning a Super Bowl all the way up to losing one the next year. I also noticed that they had NOT taken RBs in the 3rd round two years in a row. Did KC struggle against the better teams in 2019 when they won the Super Bowl despite being 23rd in the league at YPC? Adding another weapon seems like a good possibility. That it would be a running back is not a necessity.

Walt Whitman Leaves of Grass. It's got gay content. Can't allow that. Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species. Clearly wrong, evolution is anti-God. Mark Twain Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. For the obvious reasons. DH Lawrence Lady Chatterley's Lover. Pure filth, naturally. Harry Potter is without question the devil's work. James Joyce's Ulysses. There's a scene in which a person has a sexual interlude ... I hesitate to even say this ... without anyone else present. ... Sorry, I just got back from the toilet after vomiting for a couple of hours at the mere thought. And Tango Makes Three. A book that, shockingly, was written for children. And yet implies that there might be circumstances in which males might be attracted to other ... gulp ... males. There are an obvious bunch of others, such as To Kill a Mockingbird, Of Mice and Men, Brave New World, An American Tragedy. These have all been correctly cancelled at one time or another. In a clearly immoral act, some of these cancellations have been uncancelled here and there. This shows obviously the anti-child agenda out there, and how much these people hate America.

I'd argue it would end up with Ford and Feliciano starting and Boettger backing up if all three were on the team, which at this point looks a lot more doubtful than it did a few days ago.

Unfortunately, it's anything but crazy after re-signing both Milano and Daryl Williams. That cost a lot of money. He said earlier he wants to be here. I think he'll take a discount. But there's now probably a pretty decent chance that won't be enough.

How many elite Ds in the last twenty years? Maybe 60 or so elite Ds. Including probably the Bills in 2019. Last year probably the Rams, Ravens and Football Team. 2 - 4 each year, generally, roughly the same as the number of elite Os, elite QBs, elite ... well, everything, really. Only the few best each year. The Bucs weren't elite last year, just damn good. Same with their offense. And that Bucs team wasn't all new guys or anything. You say they signed 14 players to "ring-chasing deals," and it sounds like they put a whole new team out there, but they actually only had three different starters on offense, Brady, Gronk and the rookie draftee Wires, and two on defense in Murphy-Bunting and Winfield Jr, both draftees. And with those two new defensive starters their defense improved vastly from 2019. When you look at recent Super Bowl winners you see damn good defenses. And a point held off of the scoreboard for the opponent is just as good as a point added by you. And you can hold the Chiefs offense down. It's not easy but you don't need to be elite to do it. The Chargers held them to 23 and 21 in their games. The Patriots held them to 26, as did we. The Broncos held them to 22, as did the Browns. The Falcons held them to 17. The bottom line is we need to get better. Just maximize how good the team is, and that absolutely includes improving the defense. And I agree it's wildly difficult to hold them to 9 points. But you don't need your D to do that.

I think a lot of your pass rushers are 3-4 OLBs. Yeah, they're pass rushers but don't fit here. Otherwise, though, most of it sounds good to me.

I thought I'd go back and look at their history, and I've changed my mind. I think they might do what you say, dump Barkley and just keep Fromm. After all, they did virtually the exact same thing three years ago. They drafted a 5th rounder in Fromm, they could then dump a guy with more experience. They were worried that somebody might snag the 5th rounder if they cut him, so they kept him off the practice squad in his 1st and 2nd years, and they then have that 5th rounder in his second year be Josh's first backup. Heck, they already did it that way once, almost precisely the same thing. Why wouldn't they do it again? They drafted a 5th rounder - Nate Peterman - and they were worried another team would grab him if they cut him so they didn't put him on the practice squad in that 5th rounder's 1st or 2nd years. They brought in a guy with more experience in McCarron but decided that with a 2nd year 5th round pick on the roster they didn't need a guy with more experience, so they traded him away and installed Peterman as Josh's backup. Granted Peterman had a few passes thrown as a rookie and a full offseason, so he was significantly more experienced than Fromm. Why would we expect them to do anything different this time? Final thought: Yes, we'll see.

It shouldn't tell you clearly they liked him that much. The Bills have kept three QBs active for three of the last four years. It appears to be the way they like to do business, even without COVID. Another reason a team might keep the COVID replacement QB on the 53-man is so that he could be switched to active up to 30 minutes before a game if the other QBs tested positive just before a game. And even assuming that they do "like him enough to not risk cutting him," that's how they've felt over the years for guys like Andre Smith and Reggie Gilliam, and you don't want those guys or rather QBs who are the equivalents of Andre Smith or Reggie Gilliam to be stepping in to take snaps when Josh Allen is injured for 3 - 5 weeks, you just don't. Fromm is a development guy. And while he's had a year in the NFL, it hasn't been a normal year. He was separated from the other QBs and in fact the other players. He certainly might get a year in the system this year, but he might not. How will the offseason be this year? Will there be offseason get-togethers? Will there be COVID replacement QBs again? If there are Expecting a 5th rounder who again has never thrown an NFL pass to be the backup after one season in which he couldn't do the things ordinary backups get to do in practice and meeting ... to expect that guy to step in immediately and play in case of injury is ridiculous. Not much more to say about this, but I'd put the chance on them cutting Barkley and then not replacing him with a vet as very low. And if they think they have the #2 on the roster, they likely think it's Webb, not Fromm.

Yeah, I think you're misunderstanding what people mean when they say they want confirmation. Reminds me of the old Rodney Dangerfield joke: Guy goes into a doctor's office. Doctor does some tests and says, "You've got cancer." Guy says, "I want a second opinion." Doctor says, "OK, you've got cancer and you're ugly." When we say we want confirmation, we're looking for a second source. When some guy on the internet says something and we say we want confirmation, that doesn't mean that if the same guy says the same thing again we'll all say, "Oh, the anonymous guy from the internet said it again. Guess that puts any doubt to rest. When someone says something twice, well, it's always true.

Love the Nasirildeen instead of Surratt switch. He'd fit in beautifully here.

Yours is perfect so far? Mine sure isn't. Not that I put in anywhere near as much detail as Joe B did.

Yeah, that seems the likeliest guess. At that level both sides can probably stay civil. Much more and feelings would be hurt, IMO.

In a few specific directions. There's a feeling among many that you can manipulate it in many ways. You can't. A few specific ways. This is one of them. You can borrow money from future years. Until you can't anymore.

... "up to close to $14 million" That's a bit different. If he has a great year, close to $14M will be a bargain. If he has a bad year, who knows how little this might be without hitting incentives? $5M? Less? No way to know.

Some have said he was injured through a lot of the season. He did look that way late, but early in the season he had some seriously powerful throws. Against the Seahawks in Week 2, at 1:50 in the 3rd quarter, he threw it 55 yards in the air hitting his reciever on an absolute dime. He threw it from his own 14 and his guy caught it at full extension on the Seattle 31. And he didn't even step into it. His front foot was way out to the left, it's an awkward motion and an absolute bomb that he put in the perfect spot.

It's far from useless. It's still really interesting and thought-provoking, though much less so if you're not paying. It's already proven an imperfect prediction, but they're all going to be imperfect.

Very interesting. Thank you for correcting me. If no change is required to the contract because the right is already written in, then certainly they could do it.

Wiki has Rondale Moore at 180. Tyreek Hill is 185. Beasley is 174. Antonio Brown is 185. Brandin Cooks is 183. Desean Jackson is 175. While I see where you're going, there are a significant number of guys that small, and if you want a guy with obscene quicks and speed, sometimes you have to go that way.

Joe is assuming that keeping Bojorquez will cost around $2.5M or more. At that price, he doesn't want him back. If you're right and it only requires what you say it will, I think they would absolutely keep him. I am with you in wanting them to value the position. If he's right about how expensive it will be, I think that this year they may have to see him as a luxury, where in any other year they'd pay the man and be done with it. That's ridiculous. Joe absolutely DID see Milano as a possible re-sign, as he's said time and time again. And he has contacts in the Bills FO, but not contacts who tell him in advance what the Bills are going to do so he can publish it and tell the world. And thank goodness for that. He finally had to make a prediction, and he did that. Next time you see someone predict the whole roster perfectly this early in the season, let us know. I'll follow him around in hopes of catching him walking on water.

Both predictions I've seen of Feliciano have him worth around $7M a year. Spotrac around $8M: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/salary-cap-series-middle-class-free-agents-facing-salary-squeeze/article_61d8151a-7dd6-11eb-a132-f7bb752936f9.html Buffalo Rumblings $7.5M: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/3/8/22319256/contract-projections-for-all-of-the-buffalo-bills-free-agents Joe puts them right in the exact same area. The contract could be structured to cut this year's cap impact lower, to maybe around $3M or $4M, probably. Feliciano seems likely to give us a significant hometown discount, but don't expect 50% off. Very few are willing to give away that much. And IMO as I said in the other thread, I doubt there's any way they go into this season, when they have to be thinking about Super Bowl contention, with their backup being Fromm, a guy who hasn't taken a single NFL snap or had a whole offseason or even a real in-season, as he wasn't able to be near enough the other players as to have the slightest possibility of catching COVID, as he was the COVID backup. If you don't like Barkley, that's fair, but if not him, they'll almost certainly bring in someone who costs as much or more. You don't want Fromm or Webb to have the possibility of being your first backup if Allen is injured. Not in a year where you think you might make the Super Bowl.

He does. He's talked about it He just thinks Bojo will get more money than he's willing to spend on the position. I think you might've slightly misspoken there. You can't change a guy's signed contract without his permission. Ever. But what you maybe meant is that Klein might not mind or have a problem with switching the money from salary to signing bonus. That's a reasonable proposal, though again, if Klein wanted to say no, he could.

Hapless, of course you're right that nobody can legally require vaccinations. But that doesn't mean that if a player decides not to get the vaccination the NFL should still be required to give them the ability to opt out. That's a very questionable thought. I don't know what will happen with optouts. Duh. But if the vaccine is widely available well before the season, that will likely take a great deal of pressure off the NFL in terms of providing the option to opt out.

Speaking of reading comprehension problems, dude ... No, it has NOT been confirmed. What was confirmed here was that Lee Smith's home was on the market. Go back and check it out. So, if there are reading comprehension problems here, they are yours.

I can see it as a possibility. Not a likelihood, though, far from it. Go ahead and stick with Fromm if you like, but I think you're wrong there. The guy was the COVID backup. He missed out on large parts of what a rookie usually gets. In a Super Bowl-possible year, you don't want a guy like Fromm who's never thrown a single pass, and never even had a real off-season to be your QB if Allen gets injured. Expect Barkley or a replacement to be on the roster. At the edge of possibility I could imagine that replacement being Davis Webb. At least he's a guy who you know what you have. I agree with you that they can get Feliciano for $3 - $4M cap hit this year if they do a little contract ju-jitsu. And I also agree that he would be worth that even in this difficult year. But if you offer most of the others vet min, even the ones who would like to stay are likely to be gone. The difference between vet min and $1.5 or $2M isn't all that big for a team, but it's huge for these guys. You look at a guy like McKenzie. You speculate Roberts will be gone, which I think is a real possibility. If so, McKenzie's value immediately rises. Again, he had five TDs last year and a kick return TD besides. If we don't give him $2 or $3M, someone will. And he'll take that offer if we're offering vet min, and then we'll be stuck offering someone else a contract and discovering that for vet min you get a guy you hope not to see in the lineup except as a short-term injury replacement. Same for guys like Marlowe. He'll never be a $4M guy, but he has real value as a backup who won't drop the level at which your defense will play. He'll very likely get more than vet min. A bit less than he might another year? Yeah, probably. But that's exactly why teams that have money this year are even luckier than teams that have money in a normal year. They can offer a guy like Marlowe or McKenzie a 20% or 30% cut and get a bargain in that teams that are having cap problems won't be able to match. Guys like Marlowe, Barkley, Boettger, Levi Wallace. They don't come back for vet min. In Joe B's season projection, he suggested tendering them as UFAs and understanding you might lose a few of them. Yeah, much more reasonable. And I'd love to see them re-sign Williams. I'm with you there, but IMO that's where the tight cap hits and hurts. Not in forcing us to miss out on a guy like Marlowe or McKenzie or Barkley or Yeldon, if they want to keep him, or Bojorquez or Feliciano, who you can bring back without spending too too much extra. It's the guy with the big possibilities like Daryl Williams. So far in his career, Williams earned $2.8M in his first four years and last year's $6M. He's not going to be looking to give us a break here. The general consensus has long been that we could sign Milano or Williams. I think that's right, though I'd love to get them both. So they probably can't bring Williams back but they will have to replace him, and not with a vet min guy either. Even if they think it's likely they will go OT in the 1st round, Beane loves to fill his obvious holes in FA with mid-level guys so he isn't forced to reach in the draft if things don't fall the way he likes. So IMO they can't bring back Williams but will bring in a replacement for somewhere between, say $2.5 - $4M, maybe a bit less this year if they are willing to finagle the contract a bit to backload it.