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Agreed, and I am pretty sure every GM in the NFL has the same feelings about the QB position. I agree and somewhat disagree here. What I don't like is the "NEVER" statement, which I just don't think is applicable here. And the reason for that, the tiers are all subjective, especially once you are out of the top 10 picks where they really get murky. What one teams sees as reaching down a tier another may see as the BPA. I mean one team might see the same 2 prospects a closely graded and another think they are in 2 separate tiers. And this happens all the time. I get why you cited the Cowboys there as an example, but I am not sure it was so cut and dry. Lamb was by far the consensus top player on the board on their pick, so thats accurate to say they took the highest graded guy when it wasn't a big need. But I don't think that was the "why"...Jones always prioritizes offense and I think he was drooling at the chance to draft one of the big 3 WR's even before the draft started. I mean they even talked about it ahead of the draft, most mocks had them even taking a WR, just varied on which one depending which ones went first. So I think it was more to do with "want" than must take him based on draft grade. And while Gallup had put some numbers up, there had never really been anything special about him either, as in they weren't enamored with him. Agreed, and Beane has said as much himself. He also factors in depth of the position too. If one of those positions really falls off after this pick and the other has other prospects they feel they like and can in the next rounds, they will factor that in and potentially take the guy whose position really falls off after this pick. Something Beane has also said. Agreed - Those later rounds they are also looking for ST contributions as well, guys who may not make the roster just off their natural position but could make the roster through special teams. Raiders under Gruden and Mayock also reached a lot early. Overall good post Gunner, and agreed with most as you saw. And I too have people I have known that have spent time in draft war rooms who echo all the same things.

3 picks in the first 2 rounds and no CB? Don't see that happening at all, one of them would definitely be a CB. I get the logic, but I am skeptical they would trade Edmunds, who is the QB of our defense, in the middle of major SB run this season and turn that complicated position over to a rookie. That doesn't sound like McD or Beanes style personally. They also haven't met with a lot of LB's either. One guys they did meet with is Troy Anderson, who is the fastest LB in this draft, raw having just recently converted to LB and versatile playing positions even like QB and RB in college. Everything about him seems to be what McD and Beane love in players. Wouldn't surprise me if we took him in the 2nd or 3rd round regardless of what their intent is with Edmunds.

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Well said, and pretty close to what goes down in most cases and Beane has even publicly said as much multiple times now. My only critiques is that its not as cut and dry as that. They wont "always" for example take the need, in your example the CB over a WR they have slightly higher. Beane factors in depth of the positions too. If they feel CB is thinner than WR in the next rounds, then that is when they would take the CB over the slightly higher graded WR more often. But if they felt WR dropped off after that, they would likely stick with the WR over the CB if they felt they could get a CB later they also like. I mean Beane has said that BPA takes into consideration team needs many times now. He has also said depth of each position comes into play too. I mean BPA always factors team needs in, that is 100% fact across the NFL. I mean wouldn't you agree that we 100% are NOT drafting a QB at 25 no matter who is there? So without question, needs are always to some degree a part of a general managers and teams draft strategy where they eliminate certain positions and prioritize other positions at certain points in the draft. Does NOT mean they will reach for need, just means their board of BPA includes factors such as draft strategy, needs, depth of draft, priorities, coveted targets, draft assets, potential trade scenarios, etc. I mean Beane literally just did this last draft. He went DE and DE again in the 2nd...not many people had Boogie as BPA when we were on the clock, nor did anyone expect that pick after going DE in round 1. Yet Beane said they entered the draft with the mindset pass rush was the biggest need on the team, and they went out and made that such a priority they took 2 in a row in the first 2 rounds. So sorry, PrimeTime101 has mostly the right idea here. And how do we know, because its literally what Beane has both said and done in the past.

I have not given up on Moss, nor should anyone else at this point. Does that mean he will breakout? No, just means there is still potential there as he has been given few opportunities, and most occurred early on. In those earlier opportunities he showed some promise, but in 2021 Devin really started to seize control of the primary ball carrier duties, and rightfully so (and I even predicted this in the preseason, he is just simply the better RB). But Moss still has potential to be a contributing RB, and probably best suited for a 2 back system where the second RB was a speedy receiving back. Something like the Saints with Kamara or Atlanta with Patterson. Again, doesn't automatically mean he would excel in a situation like that, just saying I wouldn't rule him out as being someone who could do well as part of a 1-2 punch like that. Now, that being said, I do not think he is better than Devin at this stage, so I have kind of written him off being a contributor here in Buffalo. And for me, he is a guy who has a good chance of being traded sometime during this offseason. And if we do end up drafting a RB, he could end up being cut as well if they don't find a trade partner. I could see a team that needs RB depth or someone to compete for the #1 RB spot look into Moss's availability. Teams that would make some sense: Houston, Giants, Jets, Falcons, Seattle, AZ, Ravens, Saints, etc. Some of these teams he could compete as a primary or early down ball carrier and others he could be some insurance behind some RB's who have struggled with injuries. And honestly, I do think there is a real possibility he is not on the roster week 1, and mainly because Bills have reportedly shown interest in potential RB trades this offseason and have been bringing various RB's in for pre draft visits. So certainly feels like they are looking to add someone, and I highly doubt Duke Johnson fills that need for them. If we draft someone in the first 4 rounds, I think that would almost seal Moss's fate of not being here come week 1.

Yeah, there is no way he falls to the 6th or 7th. I doubt he falls past the 3rd. You never know with RB's, so maybe he shockingly falls to the 4th, but even that seems far fetched. My guess he goes late 2nd or somewhere in the 3rd round.

The he is "average" at everything is being overly exaggerated and IMHO a poor description of him as a player. He has 3 down back potential at the next level, is faster than the RB's on our roster, and can catch out of the backfield. I am not advocating for him, but the reality is this is also Devins last year on his contract, if we aren't sold on Devin long term to retain him, someone like Spiller could be an attractive replacement, especially if we can get him in the 3rd. Ive seen him going all over the place between 2nd and 3rd rounds in mocks. Personally, I don't think Spiller would come into play unless we were in the 3rd round and could steal him there. Maybe they pull the trigger on a Hall or Walker if they are there in the 2nd, just gonna depend on who Beane has as his BPA when we are on the clock. Plus, there are some interesting prospects we can likely nab in 3rd or 4th if Beane wants to add a back this year.

Question mark on when he will be ready, and how long to find his form. And sorry, we don’t have any CB depth, the guys behind Dane aren’t worthy of starting and will struggle to even make the roster.

Literally no one is saying that, at least I haven’t seen anyone say that. You are however saying offense no matter what, the rest of us are saying CB is our biggest need, and a first round CB makes sense if the right one is there. I mean I’ve literally said this to you several times now, but you keep falsely insisting the people in favor of a CB wanna us to take one no matter what, which I haven’t seen anyone say that other than you. Our pick will be BPA, so who we take will largely depend on how the draft falls. I mean even what you just agreed with Bill on I already said to you earlier too lol.

There is no depth chart, what part of that alludes you? There is Dane Jackson, that’s it. Tre is a question mark, we need to add 2 corners.

Oh yeah, TE is def a possibility, I was just referencing we wouldn’t take one early at like 25 as someone else suggested They also met with Troy Anderson, LB.

I mean I assume their interest in Hamilton would be to eventually replace Poyer either this year (via trade) or next when he is a FA. I am not saying we will or should do this, just commenting on some of the stuff floating around. But, then again, its impossible to trust any talk at this stage, because even if true could change many times before draft night. But they have met with Kyle and some rumblings we might be looking to move up too. As far as this year goes, I mean I think we are a better team with the duo of Poyer and Hyde just off how long they have been together and how well they play off each other. But with Poyer on the last year of his deal and all the money being spent on the roster tying up cap space, I can see why they might have interest in finding a younger and cheaper option moving forward. Especially with so many other key players deals coming due soon like Edmunds, Oliver, Knox, Devin, Davis, etc. And if they feel Hamilton is a generational talent they can snag for the future, thats something I can see Beane making a move for.

I think there is real interest in moving up for Kyle if he slips outside the top 10, especially if he slips in to the teens. And of course there is talk he might slip to double digits, even the teens. Personally, I am still skeptical he does slip that far, but if he did then I can see Beane trying to find a trade partner for the right trade to go get him.

I hope it has something to do with us signing a corner capable of starting. I would prefer not heading into a draft with such a glaring hole.

Your response here is your what I don’t understand about the few posters here against taking a CB in the first. Why does everyone that doesn’t want to take a CB in the first just assume or imply that anyone else here is suggesting we take a CB no matter what? We all are saying BPA and know Beane will go BPA. We are simply saying it’s 100% obvious that CB it’s our biggest hole, so yes, a CB in the first makes sense IF there is one there worth the pick.

Bottom line: Beane will go BPA. And he may move up for a targeted player. Corner in the first will 100% depend on how the draft falls because Beane won’t reach for need at 25. And if there is someone he covets at any position, we know he’s not afraid to make a move to get him. So what we do, as usual, will absolutely be dependent on how it falls. But the argument that CB isn’t the biggest need is inaccurate. Biggest need doesn’t automatically mean it will be the first pick either. But it’s literally undeniable that our weakest position on the team TODAY is CB right now.

I would be that everyone agrees that if we sign a starting worthy corner before the draft that changes everything. This convo is about the current make up of the roster. Keep in mind, we don’t have any reserve corners either worthy of starting. We need more than 1 corner.

Again neither I or anybody else has said anything remotely close to what you’re implying. You literally keep making up false narratives in like every

Literally nobody has said any of what you just said everyone’s saying. Lmao

Yet our vaunted passing defense got abused 2 years in a row in the post season to send us home. Meanwhile our offense scored 41.5 points per game. But keep telling me how the offense is the problem 🙄

First off, no one’s arguing, we are simply discussing something. Why were the Bengals in the Super Bowl? Because they shut down the Chiefs offense in the 2nd half. Rams defense came up big to end the SB too, and coverage took the receivers away so they could get the big sacks. Niners shut down Dallas and Green Bay’s offense too and almost made the SB with Jimmy G as their QB for second time in 3 years, and might have made it had Tarrt not dropped that gimme Int in the 4th. Chiefs got blown up by Bucs defense in the previous SB. Vaunted Rams offense was held to 3 points in the SB against the Pats. Highest scoring offense in NFL history was blown out 43-8 in the Broncos vs Seahawks SB. Previous highest scoring offense in NFL history went undefeated and lost scoring in the teens in the Pats vs Giants SB. Greatest show on turf had their offense slowed down and lost to the Pats in the SB. I mean I could keep going with endless of examples that factually refute this notion you can’t slow down the top offenses. We averaged 41.5 points per game in the playoffs this year. We were sent home because we gave up 42 points in the last game including 17 points in less than 3 minutes. And you don’t think having Tre White against the Chiefs would have made a difference in that game? Really?

What about the 64 yard TD to Hill before that that out us behind again with just over a minute left to play needing a TD? Or the drive in OT? We gave up 42 points and 17 points in under 3 minutes to end game. We scored 36 points…who was worse? Clearly the defense again Also, the majority of the best WRs in football were not taken in the first round. Hill, Adam’s, Diggs, Kupp (arguably 4 of the top 5 playing), Deebo, Metcalf, AJ Brown we’re all taken in other rounds. Not to mention top end WRs like Keenan Allen, McLaurin and so many more. This notion we need a first round WR (when we have one the best WR corps in the league) is really not based on historical data. And we all know our top flight D last year statistically was padded through and easy schedule. They didn’t always look so top flight against the better offenses we faced. And now we don’t have our two starting corners from that defense either to start the year potentially.

Who said anything about reaching? Why do people just jump to "reaching" when someone suggests it would be good to take a CB in the first round? Literally no one has said that what so ever, nor does anyone expect Beane to reach. This thread is not about should we "reach" its about whether we should take a CB if the right one is there. And you cant stand the argument that CB is a bigger need than WR? Really? No disrespect, but how does that make any sense today with the roster the way it is? Diggs, Davis, and McKenzie here 2 or more years still. Crowder locking down a spot this year too. But at CB we don't have a single starter...just last years backup being forced to start because Levi left. And Tre, while an all pro player, is a question mark on when he will be back and how he will play once back. Plus we have no backups behind them either. But you hate this argument that CB is a bigger need? I really dont get that, I mean we averaged 41.5 points in the playoffs and lost on defense. I mean look what we are facing this year...just in our division, who is covering Hill and Waddle? Not mention the gauntlet that is the AFC West, Titans Duo of Woods and AJ Brown (another nemesis of ours), Bengals gauntlet of receivers, etc. So while no one expects Beane to reach, taking a CB in the first absolutely makes sense if there is one there they feel is the right guy.

I literally didn't say any of those things. Josh is setup to succeed, they improved the OL, brought in a dangerous slot weapon in Crowder, extended Diggs, added OJ Howard. I mean you are delusional if you don't think the offense has been upgraded this year already, an offense that averaged 41.5 points in the playoffs and still got bounced. And we upgraded our pass rush in Miller, but we are MISSING our TWO starting corners from last year. We have no starters on our roster ready for week 1. We have a BACKUP CB we HOPE can be relied upon to start even though he was absued by the Chiefs in the playoffs last year. We have an all pro recovering from a bad injury that may not have him ready to start the season, and even if he is, could take part of or even all of the season to rebound back to his previous form. Again, you absolutely incorrect that CB isn't a bigger need than something on offense. We will absolutely draft some offense, and we could round 1. Beane will stay true to his BPA I expect, so if there is not a corner they covet at 25, he wont reach and he will take another position. But, to say CB is not the biggest need is beyond ridiculous.