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A lot worse QBs have won SBs with talented defenses and an array of weapons on offense. Jets are a legit SB contender with anyone as good as Carr or better. Obviously Rodgers gives them even better chance, by Carr would give them a longer term solution

Carr to Jets would not be ideal. Major upgrade at QB without having to pay $50M to Rodgers and give up 2 first round picks. Carr I think helps them as a team a lot more than Rodgers does when you look at it past one year. Carr is going to be a bargain for someone being no draft picks are going to be surrendered to get him and his price tag will be palatable. And the last place I want to see him is on a team with a lock down defense and a lot of young talented offensive weapons. Carr will not have to be great for that team to be very dangerous. If he can just be solid, then Jets are going to be a real problem.

Beane said trying him out at safety is possibility and that is something they saw as a potential move when they drafted him.

Disagree...he was a focal point of the defense, and we were in the midst of an all in super bowl push. And we still don't know if he will be back yet or not despite this thread. And the FO back then saw Edmunds in our future plans, and still might. There was no reason to dump him back then and take a key player in Fraziers defense off the field while we were pushing for a SB these past 2 years.

49ers LB Al Azeez Al-Shaair could be the ideal replacement. He is a free agent and will be cheaper than Edmunds and does a lot of the same things Edmunds can do in this defense. He has been overshadowed in SF by the elite Warner and also Greenlaw, and he could be a break out player as he goes somewhere else now as a FA. My top 2 wish list Free Agents right now that are not OL are Al-Shaair and RB D'Onta Foreman. Both will be affordable guys to replace both Edmunds and Devin and have the potential to be as good or better than who they are replacing.

Except they absolutely are. So there’s that…

I don't love the idea of gambling Allen and Diggs prime years on an inexperienced OC But I am more comfortable giving him another year than I am giving Frazier another year who has shown consistently his defenses are faring much worse than other DC's with less talented defenses are against the same common opponents in the playoffs...and its every year. But..Dorsey may not have been "terrible" this year, but he certainly has a lot to work on that he struggled with this year. We had 2 legit downfield WR's on the team in Diggs and Davis only. The rest of the roster was basically slot WR's, yet Dorsey kept trying to force this air it out downfield attack when we were not built for that. And that includes a weak OL that can't hold their protections long enough for Josh to comfortably get the ball down field without first having to scramble. We drafted a RB for his receiving skills in Cook, yet we don't throw him the ball all that much. Additionally, he is an under sized RB whose is best suited for working in space, yet we frequently run draw plays with him up the middle. Lacked consistency in trying to establish the run. His situational awareness was a weak spot, as was his redzone play calling. Our WR's were relied on to win their one on one routes too much rather than scheming to get guys open the way teams like KC do on the regular. Our offense was too predictable and was lacking in adjustments. He gets more of a benefit of the doubt being a first year OC...but he has a lot to improve.

I mean hard to see this as anything but a great move by Denver and great place to go for Rex if he wants to coach again. One, there is no denying he was a great DC. Two, Denver is giving him a very good foundation to walk into with that defense. And he is fun, players love him, and it will be good for the league

Hard to say...not likely with Frazier, he is who he is and sadly he is going to be hear again this year with his flawed approach. Dorsey on the other hand has been learning on the job. I hope to god he watched the Super Bowl and realizes he needs to study both teams in how to be creative and play the rosters strengths. We didn't see him grow at all this year during the season, lets hope he spends the whole offseason studying.

Lol, did you really just spend time to write that? One…he is not MY defensive coordinator, nor yours. None of us are part of the team nor own it. And who cares, him being the current DC doesn’t make him the right DC for the job.

There are a lot of reasons to be dissatisfied with Frazier. And that includes giving up an average of 150 yards rushing per game in the playoff losses. But most importantly the 107 points and 1403 total yards the last 3 losses is the biggest issue. But the 450 yards of rushing were a part of that problem and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs.

Giving up an average of 148 yards per game is not an issue? Sorry, and no disrespect, but pointing out the QB's got yards is not an excuse. I don't care who is running the ball, the point is they ran the ball and extended drives frequently against. We are talking about teams who were 16th, 16th and 28th in the league in rushing the last 3 years...those rankings include everyones rushing yards, including the QB. What excuses are being made against Cincy...ranked 28th in the league and missing 3 starting OL? The point is, why are these teams having more success against Frazier running the ball as a whole than they did all season? Why do we have to keep searching for ways to make excuses for Fraziers defense failing in so many ways in these playoff losses? And honestly, there should be even less excuse to let the QB run the ball on us given we have to defend Allen every day in practice and showed success defending someone much more dangerous as Lamar. IMHO, he doesn't get a pass on allowing an average of 148 yards a game these past 4 playoff exits.

If Bijan lasts to 27, its hard to imagine any draft scenario where he is not the BPA at pick 27. And with Devin likely gone, RB is also a need. So I too would have a hard time seeing them pass on Bijan at 27. I am all for BPA at 27 if he is BPA, the last thing I want to see us do is reach. So the people who think it has to be OL no matter what, well as much as I also want to improve our OL, I would hate to see us reach and pass up a better player elsewhere for the sake of reaching for need. That being said, I think Bijan will be gone before 27 anyway, so I doubt this scenario happens.

Posted this in another thread and thought I would add it here as well. Here is Leslie Fraziers run defense in our last 4 consecutive playoff losses: 182 yards - Houston was 9th in rushing 114 yards - Chiefs were 16th in rushing 141 yards - Chiefs were again 16th in rushing 155 yards - Bengals were 28th in rushing and missing 3 starting OL Average: 148 yards - Average rank of the rushing offenses: 17th None of these teams were a great rushing team, the highest ranked team was 9th by Houston because of Watson. The rest were 16th - 28th in the NFL in rushing just gashing us. And when you look at the last couple of years after investing so heavy into the DL, especially where we fielded the #1 and #2 ranked defenses in the league, it's even more concerning. Then this year gets even worse considering Cincy was missing 3 starting OL in that game and it was at home in bad weather where our team allegedly is supposed to have an advantage.

THIS...times 1000. 🙌

Hard disagree. We do need to learn to be like them offensively. Its a night and day difference watching their offensive play calling and designs that scheme guys open...not only open...wide open. The two TD passes to Toney and then Sky Moore in the SB were the exact same routes on opposite sides, and both were wide open and untouched...and both were plays they ran many times for scores or first downs all year. Those guys are wide open because of the overall play design, not just their route. Or look at those shovel passes almost like runs up the middle they do with guys like Kelce on down and short or near endzone. These plays have a high degree of success and its do to the creativity they have built into their offense. We had defenders talking about the limited route trees our guys run, or knowing exactly where we were going on certain plays. They have said that both offensively and defensively. Kelce last year humiliated Frazier on National TV saying if he plays it like that again hit me on the seem its wide open...and that is exactly what happened to get the FG in 13 seconds. Everything we do is so vanilla and the opponents keep coming up with answers to counter us. This year, our offense felt like it was lacking hard in creativity, situational awareness, schemes to get guys open, or even just general best use of personnel. We have a RB drafted to catch passes and get into space in Cook, yet we don't throw him many balls and frequently run him up the middle instead. We trade for Hines, like the 12th most expensive RB in the league and don't even try to incorporate him into the offense. So...sorry, I absolutely agree we need to be more like KC...not saying copy what they do, but we need to inject a massive heaping of better creativity, better schemes, better situational awareness, and better use of personnel on both sides of the ball.

Classy...nope. Hilarious troll job...💯

Why start a thread that has zero chance to happen? What is the point of the thread? Might as well start a thread Bills trade Morse and a 7th round pick for Justin Jefferson then because that is just as realistic as this nonsense. The only "dawgturd" here is this utterly pointless thread. Maybe next time just start the 97th thread on how we need to upgrade our OL, still would be better than this. This entire thread is utterly absurd. No it wasn't thought through lmao. Maybe we can sign Jim Kelly back and trade him for 3 first round picks next.

LOL, no one is trading for Saffold or Morse. Why would Packers trade for expensive, old, and concussion prone Morse so we can draft a Center instead of just drafting the center themselves? I don’t mind people proposing trade ideas, but drives me nuts when people post trades that make absolutely no sense to the team they propose we trade with. At least make an attempt at a realistic draft and trade scenario rather than something that has no basis in reality. Otherwise what’s the difference of this or proposing a trade where we dump contracts to a team and get some elite stud back that’s untouchable? Both equally silly.

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LOL...anyone who lists non football stuff like music as a reason they don't like football is just being a wet blanket. There is literally no artist, band, musician, genre of music where someone isn't going to piss and moan about the music choice. Refs...sure, I think the vast majority of NFL fans are concerned about the issues with the refs. This year felt like there were more issues than ever before of just some really blown officiating. I think if they polled the fans of the game, this might be their lowest rating on how they see the officiating, maybe ever. You should have just stuck with the ref stuff, all the other stuff just makes you sound like you are whining because the non-football stuff doesn't cater to your specific beliefs and tastes which makes you sound kind of self entitled. And no offense, who cares. Literally nobody cares that the non football stuff isn't to someones taste. Not everything appeals to me either, but who cares, I come to watch the games where none of that stuff is present during the games on the field. As mutual fans, we all universally care about the integrity of the game. That is the lane I would have stayed in if I were you.

Here is how I run my Super Bowl pool, and it got so popular I have to do 2 full boards now every year. $100 per square ($10,000 pot per board) - and we now fill 2 boards. First one sells out in about 40 minutes, second one usually by next day. Pays $500 every score change until the money is gone (20 score changes) or the game ends Successful XP scores COUNT as a score change If the game ends before the money is gone (20 total score changes), then all remaining money goes to who had the final score square What was cool about this year, this is the first time in like the 10 years I have been doing this pool that there were 20 score changes (there were 21 actually) before the game ended and their was no money left over for final score. Prior to this, the lowest payout on final score was $2500 (NE vs Atl) and the highest was $8000 (Rams vs NE). I can't stomach playing that archaic end of quarter stuff anymore, it's boring. Max of 1 to 4 possible winners vs mine which has between 1 and 20 possible winners. And anytime there is about to be score everyone is amped up looking to see who is about to win if its a FG, or when they add 6 for the TD and then who wins when the XP is added too.

How many Vegas odds threads do we need before people realize how utterly meaningless they are? I just paid my bookie hundreds of dollars form all the lost bets on Allen winning MVP this year, Bills winning AFCCG and Bills winning Super Bowl. All 3 were heavy favorites when I made the bets. It means nothing. It doesn't suddenly mask all our issues: Poyer, Devin, and Edmunds are FA and some or all of them won't be back creating more holes to fill as neither of those 3's heir apparent is currently on the roster. Our two best and most expensive players on Defense are coming off ACL issues, and one is 34 and the other was not close to himself this year. Our OL needs a complete rebuild. We have no one outside of Diggs that Allen can rely on and need to add at least one more legit weapon to the WR group. Our DC now has watched his #1 and #2 ranked defense get embarrassed in playoff losses and somehow seems to keep his job. Our OC is inexperienced and showed he lacks in creativity, situational awareness, utilizing his players to the best of their skill sets, and how to scheme guys open. Its a night and day difference when you watch other teams like Cincy, KC, and Philly and how they run their respective offenses. We presumably also need a RB as no one expects Devin back and Cook isn't an every down RB as he doesn't have the size or power to pick up tough yards or excel in bad weather. Meanwhile...all 3 of the teams in our division are already somewhat of a threat, all 3 have the cap space or draft ammo to close the gap. Heck, there is some talk Jets could land Rodgers which instantly makes them a massive threat. Plus Cincy has a ton of cap space, and they played us like they are already ahead of us, so they could widen the gap while we just try and maintain. I am not a doom and gloom guy...I am not saying we can't get this offseason right and get over the hump next year. I am saying, odds mean nothing this time of year and they absolutely do not erase the challenges ahead of us. This team has legit things in front of it that are not going to be easy to navigate for Beane. This is easily his most crucial offseason, he has nothing in the war chest to make a big swing with, he is going to have nail his free agency decisions and get quality contributions from the rookie class. Beane can very well do that, I have a lot of confidence in Beane, but this is a tall task for even the best GM's to take on in one offseason, so it won't be easy.

There is a difference of people rationally discussing the honest things that need to improve vs a total hysterical flip out and declaring the end before the new season even begins. I agree, the board was impossible to be around the week after the game. I myself took some time to let the disappointment calm down before I came back to what was surely going to be a cess pool of negativity...which it was. But I do think that has died down quite a bit and there are a lot more quality conversations going on now regarding this team strengths and weaknesses. The overly negative crowd is never going away, but I think their nonsense is starting to get drowned out by better convos lately. This team will always be a contender with an elite player like Josh and a GM committed to building a winner. Doesn't mean all the right decisions, plays, etc will be just right, but we will be someone to contend with for the foreseeable future. The question is what is keeping this team from getting over that hump and what can we do to change that before other teams keep improving around us as they try and over take us. Those are all fair questions heading into an offseason where we were 13-3 (8 points from being undefeated) and then laid down like we were the 7th seed despite being at home, with motivation (Hamlin), in bad weather (allegedly an advantage for us), with our opponent having a decimated OL. We can't keep doing the same things and expecting different results.