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They had a great season last year. I just don't know if the mystique of the program's history and independence still registers as strongly as last century. Seems fans really identify more with conferences now. Too bad their matchups with Michigan went away, those were some amazing games.

John Cooper was an early version of James Franklin, only he was a better recruiter. 3-8 in bowl games, 2-10-1 vs Michigan, a host of disciplinary problems within the program. Fired because the program was disintegrating from all the problems within the team. Couldn't coach the big game, he wasted a lot of great talent Yes, they were considered a football powerhouse until late in the season. But I wasn't judging them by their ability to be one of the better teams in the country. I was judging them by their lack of character and ability to finish big games. Jim Trestle turned that all around, coupled with continued top tier recruiting, and locked them into the path they continue to enjoy. Sadly for Michigan, I think OSU has eclipsed them in the character department.

Then there's the fact that Trump was much more closely tied to Epstein then he officially lets on, which is the point of my quote. Trump has owned Mar a Lago since 1985. Many of the victims mention Epstein model parties at Mar a Lago, where Trump wasn't present but it was his place. I don't know Trump’s role, I don't think he was into the teenage thing, but it appears he had knowledge and a direct enabling role in Epstein's schemes. There's only one clown in this conversation. Who enjoys loudly blowing his goofy horn as he attempts to drown out honest discussion.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year George Houraney, a businessman whose American Dream Calendar Girls beauty contest had been running in Las Vegas casinos since 1978, recalls encountering Epstein at Mar-a-Lago in January 1993. Houraney says that Trump asked him to organise a party that month with some of his pageant’s finalists, promising to invite heads of modelling agencies and prospective sponsors for his competition. “He had me fly in all these girls, and gave me a $30,000 budget for airfares and limos to pick them up at the airport,” he says. “The girls were all decked out, expecting to meet all these VIPs.” But after an hour at the party, Houraney says, there seemed to be only one other guest: Epstein. “I was like, ‘Donald, where are the guys? What’s going on here?’ And he said, ‘Well, this is it.’” Houraney says he realised “this is a Jeff Epstein party, basically”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgv653v1vjo

Godspeed Bernie! I've yet to run into him, but I live between his farm and business location in Chagrin Falls. My son said hi to him at a local restaurant. Very friendly and gracious, though that's no surprise to anyone who had even a fan's exposure on TV. Always a class act, including while he played, so tragic his struggles with substance abuse but seems in a good place now.

A third reason Biden didn't release the Epstein files: Him and his family run a favors/powerbroker scheme similar to Epstein, lack of discretion is not good for business even to deep-six a competitor.

It's 2 reasons, 1. Epstein was not political but simply like a mafia don dealing in favors to any political persuasion of the rich and powerful worldwide. So any attempts by either party to torch Epstein would result in collateral and worldwide damage, and 2. Despite Epstein's low opinion of Trump and bragging he was the only one able to take Trump down, it doesn't appear Trump participated in the underage sex scandals in a significant way other than looking the other way to the Mar a Lago recruiting until it became too risky. Which is almost unprovable in court. Which, ironically, makes Trump the perfect person to facilitate the release, because one of his favorite tactics is to blow up establishments so he can reset and control the power brokering. Trade, immigration, whatever. And now that his Republican power base is highly fractured, he's suddenly willing to push for the release of the files. This is a big one that might bite him, but will also take the focus from him and allow him to re-establish power from the chaos. Let the fun begin! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-epstein-s-emails-reveal-about-the-rich-and-famous-who-sought-his-advice/ar-AA1QuAxw?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=691af2690019456992718a0c2aa1b363&ei=43 Lengthy article but good snapshot of Epstein's diverse operating style, also discusses where the "Lolita Express" moniker came from!

Not sure that would be worse. I would at least get the feeling he's ashamed of his actions. From this video, not sure he even cares.

Great to see some agreement and a great discussion! I haven’t tried to pick through the email cache, but what I've seen has just blown me away. https://www.politico.eu/article/jeffrey-epstein-emails-reveal-contact-between-pedophile-and-former-council-of-europe-chief-thorbjorn-jagland/ “I think you might suggest to putin that lavrov can get insight on talking to me,” Epstein wrote to Thorbjørn Jagland, who was the human rights organization’s secretary-general at the time, in a June 24, 2018 email. How freaking insane is this???? I think this is far, far, bigger than Trump. I think Epstein was far more of a worldwide influence and power broker than just the underage girl component. At this point,I really don't think Trump was part of the underage thing, and Epstein might have different dirt on him. But really I think this is too massive a worldwide scandal and someone or some group's pulling the strings on Trump to avoid this coming out. I'm not a conspiracy guy, but would totally believe either someone killed Epstein of Epstein knew it would be coming and went on his own terms. This will be our generation's Watergate and we may never know the half of it.

Depends how and when it's done. From my youth coaching days, some kids preferred to be coached hard. Josh had no problem with Daboll yelling at him, but probably Daboll's temper was part of why he was fired. Josh taking him to task and trying to light a fire under him in practice might really help. Especially given Keon's apparent lack of brain power.

He should keep an open mind. Jim Trestle really laid the foundation and started the OSU transformation to the well-respected powerhouse it is today, expunging the meathead thug stink of Earle Bruce and John Cooper, lol.

Cignetti came from the smaller schools. I remember Jim Trestle having dominant teams at Youngstown State and no one would take a chance on him until OSU did. There's more options than just the highest profile names, Kraft just has to have a firm idea what he's looking for and enough evidence of coaching acumen on film.

I don't disagree with any of your points, but after 12 years, Franklin consistently clenched up and coached small in the biggest games. Time to find a coach who can really maximize his talents and rise to the occasion in the biggest games. Yes, they may hire a mistake or two, but stick with it.

Well then, it's a good thing no one is talking about consistently surpassing OSU, lol. 1-10 vs OSU, 4-17 vs OSU/Michigan, 4-21 vs top 10 opponents. We simply want to do better than this.