metzelaars_lives Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Poz must have also chosen Maybin's agent and Crabtree's agent, chosen the design for Chernobyl's reactor, created the 'tuck' rule, and advised the Bills to draft Mike Williams and J. P. Losman. Too early to label Losman a bust IMO. Let him get back on track in the UFL and come back to the League before you make such a harsh assessment of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 You know, the agent who is negotiating Maybin's contract, Chelsea Fields, is also from Penn State. This might be the great Penn State Vouching Conspiracy. and most fans want to see Maybin in camp already....so they must be vouching for him as well...and JoePa prob told the Bills FO he was a good guy so He obviously is a terrible coach and leader..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Obviously they need to run more strenuous vouching drills in camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 So if Trent Edwards doesnt work out i think we should take Marv off the wall of fame. He probably vouched for him and certainly praised him. Bill Walsh? Utter waste of football space for vouching for Trent Edwards. What a bum. BUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 and most fans want to see Maybin in camp already....so they must be vouching for him as well...and JoePa prob told the Bills FO he was a good guy so He obviously is a terrible coach and leader..... Mother Vouching SOB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Mother Vouching SOB! Shiv the vouching MOFO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Shiv the vouching MOFO? Shiv isn't enough in this case. VOUCH the Mofo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Somehow I bet "vouch" "vouching" "vouched for" are going to be the buzzwords around TBD this season... Chroise is so 2008. (Dean please see my post and link in the Brett Favre thread... that's just for you and your outstanding musical taste) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Too early to label Losman a bust IMO. Let him get back on track in the UFL and come back to the League before you make such a harsh assessment of him. Losman didn't go to Penn State although Pitt was gonna recruit him...until his high school coach wouldn't vouch for him. But his high school coach himself was not recruited by Pitt when he was a player. Even though his high school coach vouched for him. So there might have been hard feelings involved. I agree with Crayonz. Poz should have attended Tulane. Then his judgment wouldn't be being scrutinized right now. If Maybin holds out much longer, I'm done with Poz. He started this whole vouchgate thing and now he'd better get it straightened out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 p.s.--The Chroisen one has come through and restored my avatar. All hail the mighty Chroise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Losman didn't go to Penn State although Pitt was gonna recruit him...until his high school coach wouldn't vouch for him. But his high school coach himself was not recruited by Pitt when he was a player. Even though his high school coach vouched for him. So there might have been hard feelings involved. I agree with Crayonz. Poz should have attended Tulane. Then his judgment wouldn't be being scrutinized right now. If Maybin holds out much longer, I'm done with Poz. He started this whole vouchgate thing and now he'd better get it straightened out. I can honestly vouch for the sincerity of this post. Now, I'd like #55 please, just like my hero, Biscuit. Ohh, and a $1 mil per year contract for 3 years so we don't burst our cap. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gus2378 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Crayonz is obviously insane ... he is forgetting the fact that Poz could have told them that Maybin was a child-molesting axe murderer and if Ralph wanted him, that's who the Bills were taking. Seriously, the whole premise is off because rookie holdouts are hardly the only measure of football character. Jim Kelly essentially held out for 3 years from the Bills before arriving. Henry Jones had an extended holdout to start his career. Did they not leave it all on the field when they played? I am sure we could come up with 100 more examples from around the league. It's not fair to judge Maybin yet, let alone judge Poz, who didn't even really play with the kid because Maybin was redshirted Poz's last year at Penn State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Another twist on the insane holdout of Maybin is how it shapes our defensive team leadership. If you look at our defense, there are four potential team leaders based on position, ability and personality. They are: Stroud Schoebel Whitner Poz MS and AS are the strong silent types and not really potential team leaders. This leaves Poz and Whitner. Before the draft, it is almost certain that Poz was asked his opinion of Maybin not only from an ability point of view, but also his worth as a teammate. His reviews must have been at least decent. He did not wave any red flags or the Bills would have passed on Maybin. Given recent events, the Bills brass is almost certainly questioning Poz's ability to assess character. This is a critical part of leadership and there is no way Poz can be viewed well at this point. This leaves Whitner as our defensive team leader for the forseeable future. Personally, I have no problem with this but I know some do. In a way I feel bad for Poz but he should have done his homework. What on earth does this have to do with character??? He is negotiating a contract for his services, not donating a kidney. I think a guy who ignores the financial needs of his family has character issues. The Bills are trying to win a championship, they are not researching a cure for cancer or planning to invade Iran. Did you ever put a purchase offer in on a house? Did you negotiate the best price you could get? If you did, you are a greedy, characterless, morally bankrupt bastard; based on your logic anyway. And here is another flash Mrs. Cravitz, Maybin's financial affairs are none of your business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Another twist on the insane holdout of Maybin is how it shapes our defensive team leadership. If you look at our defense, there are four potential team leaders based on position, ability and personality. They are: Stroud Schoebel Whitner Poz MS and AS are the strong silent types and not really potential team leaders. This leaves Poz and Whitner. Before the draft, it is almost certain that Poz was asked his opinion of Maybin not only from an ability point of view, but also his worth as a teammate. His reviews must have been at least decent. He did not wave any red flags or the Bills would have passed on Maybin. Given recent events, the Bills brass is almost certainly questioning Poz's ability to assess character. This is a critical part of leadership and there is no way Poz can be viewed well at this point. This leaves Whitner as our defensive team leader for the forseeable future. Personally, I have no problem with this but I know some do. In a way I feel bad for Poz but he should have done his homework. This one was well done! I'm not sure which is funnier....the fact that you thought this one out pretty well, or the people that actually respond to you while thinking you are for real. Priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 What on earth does this have to do with character??? He is negotiating a contract for his services, not donating a kidney. I think a guy who ignores the financial needs of his family has character issues. The Bills are trying to win a championship, they are not researching a cure for cancer or planning to invade Iran. Did you ever put a purchase offer in on a house? Did you negotiate the best price you could get? If you did, you are a greedy, characterless, morally bankrupt bastard; based on your logic anyway. And here is another flash Mrs. Cravitz, Maybin's financial affairs are none of your business. OK, now the thread is a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 OK, now the thread is a success. Precisely what prompted my post in this thread. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 FWIW, I recognized the insanity immediately. But, I'd been waiting for a Poz thread to contribute to as I see a marked improvement in his play on the field, which is going to greatly contribute to getting our D off the field much more this year. Suprizingly few threads about him have appeared here. Is it because we have all come to expect that he take the big step this year? If so, it's newsworthy that he has. I think we have the makings of a long time pro-bowler here. Anyway, crayonz' is the first thread I've seen in a long time about Poz, so I chimed in on my thoughts. College kids character issues notwithstanding.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 OK, now the thread is a success. Precisely what prompted my post in this thread. Unreal. I know right? And that's from a poster who's obviously been here awhile and seemingly would have realized that crayonz is up to his usual antics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 What on earth does this have to do with character??? He is negotiating a contract for his services, not donating a kidney. I think a guy who ignores the financial needs of his family has character issues. The Bills are trying to win a championship, they are not researching a cure for cancer or planning to invade Iran. Did you ever put a purchase offer in on a house? Did you negotiate the best price you could get? If you did, you are a greedy, characterless, morally bankrupt bastard; based on your logic anyway. And here is another flash Mrs. Cravitz, Maybin's financial affairs are none of your business. A checkout clerk at Wal-Mart demanding to be paid like Bill Gates is also looking out for his family. You have to know where you're at. If you don't at first well then hey, that happens to all of us. If you continue to dig in your heels even after reality strikes, you have low character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Someone killed Poz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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