R. Rich Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Agreed. Our society seems to get colder, harder with each passing year. I am very weary, my friend. Ah well. The fleas come w/ the dog. Oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I got the impression you could validate his dismissal. I'm of the opinion it would be a difficult sell. I now understand your stance. Is it safe to assume the Philly faithful call for his head because he hasn't won the big one? Man, I wish we had that problem. We're looking for a measly playoff appearance and in Philly, multiple championship appearances grows old. Spoiled by success. Funny how fans view their own situations, aint it? Peace! And peace to you, my brother! Yes, the criticism is because Reid has not won the big one, especially since he has pretty much complete control over personnel decisions, so there is no one else to blame. It is an example of being spoiled by success, and also a reminder both of how relative success is, and how fleeting the satisfaction provided by winning games. It is sad. To be honest, the whole Vick thing saddens me. When he was riding high, he deliberately chose to spend his time and money organizing such reprehensible actions. I believe in forgiveness and penance, but I do not think that signing another million dollar contract reflects much of either. All it does is remind us again of the vast gulf that separates fans from the players, and the organizations that assume we will cheer for anyone they say. As someone who roots for a team out of a need for a tie to home, it makes me feel like I am nothing but a sucker, and that following sports is a morally disgusting waste of my time. Sigh. I might just need to join you in that beer..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Im listening to sports talk in Philly now and the majority of people are pissed. Palentonio (sp) said on ESPN that people left the game immediately after they announced Vick was signed and he saw a woman crying. I expected the Fecals fans to really turn a blind eye to Vick's past, but they are impressing me. Maybe the plan was to bring someone in town that people will hate more than McNabb Count me in that fan pool, because I would have stopped rooting for the bills if they signed him. Even though I have been a die hard fan since the early 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazedandConfused Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Its too bad because in the end, the NFL is about entertainment through watching football. Its hard for me to see how anyone who cares about football finds watching the psychodrama very entertaining. This is particularly true it seems to me if you care about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Stallworth is still on the Browns. He's been suspended for the year. Also, the sanctimony should be reserved only for those who have NEVER imbibed alcohol and subsequently driven a car (I suspect there aren't many on this board). The rest of you can STFU. There is little difference between Stallworth and the sainted Bruuuuuce Smith--except Smith (a serial drunk driver) is far more fortunate that no one ever darted in front of his drunkmobile. And he was just elected to the (Drunk Driving) Hall of FAme! Guess you're all done checking out Jason Peters' ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Guess you're all done checking out Jason Peters' ass? Do you have any original thoughts or anything of substance to contribute here? You seem, at times, to be a pretty bright guy, yet this is how you want to portray yourself--as a man with a homoerotic fixation? Come on, man---participate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwing Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I was so happy to hear that the Bills did not pick Vick up. No long speech on the right or wrong of what he did, just didnt want to see him in a Bills uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Naivete: Getting behind the wheel of a car after having too much to drink and not expecting bad things to happen. Still a difference in intent between doing that and hammering out the "breeding dogs" teeth before clamping them in the rape stands. Oh, but at least that is before he slams them on the ground until dead, flays they skin, chokes them to death, and dips them in acid. Enormous intent differences, and before you jump on me about defending the other scum, I'm not. But a drunk driver has imparied his judgment and then sets out to make it safely home. It's easier to defend that "intent" than Vick's. On top of which, a DWI driver usually expresses remorse. Vick had none. He never came clean or expressed true regret--except at being caught. He calls his actions a "mistake," which is a !@#$ing word-choice joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 My post did not advocate Vick's actions. Just pointing out how out of whack priorities are w/ folks. Sorry, but even though I am a dog owner and dog lover (never thought I'd say that, being a cat owner for most of my life), I do not value my dog over a human life. To me, people should be just as disgusted w/ what Little, Stallworth, and Marshall did as what Vick did. The fact that they are not is very troubling. No one has ever said they value a dog's life over a human life, either. I've been seeing that kind of statement for months and not once has anyone ever said they were placing an animal's life over a human's life. It's all about intent...someone who intentionally commits vicious crimes for 6 years is easily a worse person than someone who accidentally takes a life. As far as Little, I can't believe he was stupid enough to get behind the wheel while under the influence after having already taken a life due to drunk driving. Stallworth is getting off easier in the court of public opinion for 2 reasons..1...he did everything right immediately following the accident and 2...the victim wasn't without blame. I don't think Little or Stallworth (no team is going to sign him because he wasn't really that good anyways) should play in the league either. As for Marshall, I don't think he's even been convicted in a court of law. Quite frankly, there are a lot of professions that won't hire a convicted felon....the NFL needs to be one of those professions. I thought Goodell was doing a great job as commissioner until he reinstated Vick...now, I just can't take him seriously when he talks about cleaning up the league. Stallworth is still on the Browns. He's been suspended for the year. Also, the sanctimony should be reserved only for those who have NEVER imbibed alcohol and subsequently driven a car (I suspect there aren't many on this board). I agree..I doubt there are many people who haven't driven when they probably shouldn't have. I know I got checked at one of those sobriety checkpoints once and was just under the limit...so I was very likely at or just over the limit when I got in the car Who's not disgusted by Little, Stallworth, and Marshall's actions? Not sure which "people" you are referring to? Those particular players haven't been rumored to be coming to the Bills, unlike Vick, so it hasn't been prominently discussed here. Doesn't mean it's acceptable behavior..Bingo....the topic is Vick...saying that people aren't disgusted by the actions of other players because they're not talking about them is rather idiotic if those other players aren't part of the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Still a difference in intent between doing that and hammering out the "breeding dogs" teeth before clamping them in the rape stands. Oh, but at least that is before he slams them on the ground until dead, flays they skin, chokes them to death, and dips them in acid. Enormous intent differences, and before you jump on me about defending the other scum, I'm not. But a drunk driver has imparied his judgment and then sets out to make it safely home. It's easier to defend that "intent" than Vick's. On top of which, a DWI driver usually expresses remorse. Vick had none. He never came clean or expressed true regret--except at being caught. He calls his actions a "mistake," which is a !@#$ing word-choice joke. Here's the thing, JA: I don't defend ANY scenario. I think they're all messed up, each and every one of 'em. Guess it's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Here's the thing, JA: I don't defend ANY scenario. I think they're all messed up, each and every one of 'em. Guess it's just me. I have heard people defend all of these guys but I've heard a lot more defenses of Vick (mistake, everyone deserves a second chance, etc). Not many of those people are in this thread. Not me. Not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet baboo Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Agreed. Our society seems to get colder, harder with each passing year. I am very weary, my friend. Michael Jackson's a pedophile...no problem...all is good, let's buy millions in records Michael Vick kills dogs for fun...well, he's worth a lot to the NFL, let's buy tickets what's the next forgivable profitable sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Michael Jackson's a pedophile...no problem...all is good, let's buy millions in records Michael Vick kills dogs for fun...well, he's worth a lot to the NFL, let's buy tickets what's the next forgivable profitable sin? Murder. "OJ's up on the Wall for his on-field exploits." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Michael Jackson's a pedophile...no problem...all is good, let's buy millions in records Michael Vick kills dogs for fun...well, he's worth a lot to the NFL, let's buy tickets what's the next forgivable profitable sin? Michael Jackson was cleared in court, and the kid that was bought off the first time has later admitted it was all a fraud. Michael Vick was convicted. Also Vick stole people their dogs to have them killed as training dummies by their fighting dogs, those dogs belonged to 5 year old children. Daddy where is Snoopy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Murder. "OJ's up on the Wall for his on-field exploits." He went up there long before the murders. The Bills have said for years that they follow the example of the HOF when it comes to the Wall...it's not like he's playing these days, anyway. Even if he were at the age where he could play (and wasn't currently in prison on other charges), no one would sign him...you're comparing apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 He went up there long before the murders. The Bills have said for years that they follow the example of the HOF when it comes to the Wall...it's not like he's playing these days, anyway. Even if he were at the age where he could play (and wasn't currently in prison on other charges), no one would sign him...you're comparing apples and oranges. And I thought very poorly of the Bill's administration for allowing that. It isn't about the HOF, it is about the team. Who they were, are, and end up becoming defines their life IMO. This in turn should at least decide whether fans, or even perhaps the team should honor their career as a football player. If Vick becomes a positive role-model, I would give him a pass. However, I would not want him associated with the Bills. I wasn't a fan of the NFL when OJ was a player. If I had been, I am sure that I would feel more strongly about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 He went up there long before the murders. The Bills have said for years that they follow the example of the HOF when it comes to the Wall...it's not like he's playing these days, anyway. Even if he were at the age where he could play (and wasn't currently in prison on other charges), no one would sign him...you're comparing apples and oranges. Nope. Just comparing one teams' fans hypocrisy to another's. Philly fans were disgusted with Vick until last night. Now lots are talking about the righteousness of second chances. OJ's inclusion on the Wall is a joke to everyone but a bunch of Bills fans. Guess you're one. Hard to see the weeds in your own garden isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 If Vick becomes a positive role-model, I would give him a pass. However, I would not want him associated with the Bills. I wasn't a fan of the NFL when OJ was a player. If I had been, I am sure that I would feel more strongly about it. I was an OJ fan. He beat his wife before the murders. He was liable for 2 murders. He deserves NO place of honor in Buffalo. It turns my stomach to know his name is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 I was an OJ fan. He beat his wife before the murders. He was liable for 2 murders. He deserves NO place of honor in Buffalo. It turns my stomach to know his name is there. I haven't been in that position thankfully, other than the occasional DUI and DV incident, which is enough to make me rethink my love of football. May I ask how you dealt with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nope. Just comparing one teams' fans hypocrisy to another's. Philly fans were disgusted with Vick until last night. Now lots are talking about the righteousness of second chances. OJ's inclusion on the Wall is a joke to everyone but a bunch of Bills fans. Guess you're one. Hard to see the weeds in your own garden isn't it? You know what the most disgusting character trait is? It's dishonesty...you look pretty foolish as well as like a !@#$ing liar accusing me of saying something I clearly never said. dishonesty is sickening....must be rough having parents who never taught you right from wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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