PearlHowardman Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse: The Buffalo Bills main US fan base. I wonder how Toronto, CN is doing!?! America's Fastest Dying Cities 1. Flint, MI 2. Cleveland, OH 3. BUFFALO, NY 4. Pittsburgh, PA 5. Dyaton, OH 6. Hialeah, FL 7. Toledo, OH 8. ROCHESTER, NY 9. SYRACUSE, NY 10. Jackson, MS http://realestate.aol.com/pictures/finance/dying-cities?pg=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 30 years ago is calling and wants it story back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 Cleveland and Pittsburgh have populations high enough that their respective NFL teams can handle the loss. The combined populations of Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse don't give the Bills any kind of luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegtapr Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 these 11 U.S. cities lost between 5 and 10 percent of their population over the past eight years. Ok, and? Just because the cities lost between 5 and 10 percent doesn't mean the region did. Did this study take into account people moving to the burbs? Nope. They are only talking about the city limits, not the region. Rochester isn't dying. It isn't flourishing, but doesn't belong on a list like that. It only gives you one part of the equation and makes for a scary headline. Population has been stagnant for years, neither growing or declining in great numbers, at least for the Rochester region. Buffalo on the other hand.... http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=uspopu...117:36073:36037 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 How is Detroit not on their? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Ok, and? Just because the cities lost between 5 and 10 percent doesn't mean the region did. Did this study take into account people moving to the burbs? Nope. They are only talking about the city limits, not the region. Rochester isn't dying. It isn't flourishing, but doesn't belong on a list like that. It only gives you one part of the equation and makes for a scary headline. Population has been stagnant for years, neither growing or declining in great numbers, at least for the Rochester region. Buffalo on the other hand.... http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=uspopu...117:36073:36037 Erie county lost 10% of its population... but it took 27 years. Niagara county has been stagnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse: The Buffalo Bills main US fan base. I wonder how Toronto, CN is doing!?! America's Fastest Dying Cities 1. Flint, MI 2. Cleveland, OH 3. BUFFALO, NY 4. Pittsburgh, PA 5. Dyaton, OH 6. Hialeah, FL 7. Toledo, OH 8. ROCHESTER, NY 9. SYRACUSE, NY 10. Jackson, MS http://realestate.aol.com/pictures/finance/dying-cities?pg=1 And yet, the Bills and Sabres continue to sell out in the midst of the worst economy in recent memory! Area malls are full. Niagara Falls Boulevard and Transit Rd are both packed. Golf courses are fully booked during decent weather. I wonder if the survey limited the data to actual city limits. If so, not that surprising. Apart from municipal, utility companies, and a few others, most of the businesses that used to occupy Buffalo's highrise buildings are now situated in the office parks and light industrial buildings of Amherst, Orchard Park, and Hamburg - as are the residents. Most of the businesses around Williamsville are within 10 minutes of the airport. Can't beat that if you have a position that requires frequent travel. There's all kinds of activity and seemingly happy/content people throughout the area, unlike my adopted hometown,. Atlanta, where all these "successful" people appear miserable most of the time as they retreat to the safety of their homes for the weekend after spending too many hours in traffic, only coming out again at 6am Monday morning to "beat the rush". I just returned from the Buffalo area last week, and I noticed something that was a huge contrast to the suburban Atlanta area where I live - very few "for sale" signs on the front lawns of homes in the Amherst and Tonawandas, where I spent a good part of my time. I asked about this phenomenon and was told that homes don't stay on the market for long, assuming they're priced right. There's a greater balance ratio of seller to buyers, unlike my current area. In my subdivision alone, there are probably 20 homes for sale, and the competition and lack of buyers has driven prices into the ground. My house has probably dropped $40k in price since 2005. Swell...I was hoping to use my escalating equity and increasing principal to pay cash for a suburban Buffalo home in a few years. In this area (Atlanta 'burbs), everyone (including me) viewed their home as some sort of guaranteed return fund, expecting great annual appreciation, with the idea of maybe selling after a couple of years for huge profit. That actually worked well for those buying the late 90s and selling before the bubble burst around 2007. In contrast. the humble people of Buffalo have historically bought their homes to (imagine this) live in and raise a family, and eventually pay it off, and stay until they're no longer physically able. It's amazing to me how many neighbors and friends from 30+ years ago still live in the same house. Some still have their original rotory dial wallphones! Nobody around here would believe it. They look like something out of "Buffalo '66". I used to think of in Buffalo as corny or quaint, as compared to the fast-paced, "happening" world of Atlanta. I now long for that simplicity. I'll now take the weekly Buffalo area summer lawn fêtes over the 6 bedroom house in Atlanta. The suburban Buffalo area never experienced the boom that the southern cities enjoyed throughout the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. But they're also not being crushed by the drastic downturn in housing prices and high foreclosure rates. Buffalo home prices are actually rising! Buffalo is a conservative community of people who still retain their old world values and financial thriftiness. If not for the insane property and school taxes that keep small businesses from considering Buffalo as a good locale, it could be a very prosperous town, in my estimation. Overall, Buffalo and it's surrounding area, has a fairly healthy economy as compared to much of the nation. Bring in some jobs and I'm there. Meanwhile, Buffalo homes prices go up as my home value slips away. This plan to get back to WNY someday is working out just great. 23 year in Atlanta. God, I really hate this overpopulated, sickeningly polluted air, and unneighborly town. The city of Buffalo may have lost headcount, but I think the overall area is still chugging along as well as can be expected with the retraints of their taxation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Dying? I thought they were already dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegtapr Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Erie county lost 10% of its population... but it took 27 years. Niagara county has been stagnant. True, but the region did see a pretty significant decline over the past 10 years. If these people moved to other counties, please correct me. None of these studies mean anything for the northeast at the end of the day. Give the region about 20 years and people will be looking to make the great lakes their new home. The water out west isn't going to last forever and people are going to start realizing they need to move where the water is, not move the water to them. The key will be the day when businesses figure this out (and if a meteor could fall on Albany to speed this up, that would be a bonus.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Soldier N.O. Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 DML2005 , I noticed alot of the same things that you did on a recent trip to Buffalo. I'm actually very impressed with what is happening in Buffalo. Your comparisons to Atlanta are apt. Getting more Googles, adding to the medical corridor in downtown, New Era moving its headquarters downtown, etc., are positives that can't be ignored. Good things are happening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 True, but the region did see a pretty significant decline over the past 10 years. If these people moved to other counties, please correct me. None of these studies mean anything for the northeast at the end of the day. Give the region about 20 years and people will be looking to make the great lakes their new home. The water out west isn't going to last forever and people are going to start realizing they need to move where the water is, not move the water to them. The key will be the day when businesses figure this out (and if a meteor could fall on Albany to speed this up, that would be a bonus.) only if the most socialist welfare state in the Union seriously cuts back on its programs and taxes, and actual economic G-R-O-W-T-H (i.e.- jobs) occurs will that ever happen. Have you read about the Brain Drain? Seriously, this is a problem for not only WNY but NY as a whole. That is your most critical population that continuously leaves and as long as that continues the State will eventually be choked as the baby boomers start collecting those pensions and there are little to no more young families taking their place. NY is seriously headed for either total collapse or will need a major reworking within the next decade. They can't continue to hemorrage an educated population and not have it effect the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 DML2005 ,I noticed alot of the same things that you did on a recent trip to Buffalo. I'm actually very impressed with what is happening in Buffalo. Your comparisons to Atlanta are apt. Getting more Googles, adding to the medical corridor in downtown, New Era moving its headquarters downtown, etc., are positives that can't be ignored. Good things are happening! I only hope that it adds careers, and not jobs. My wife and I moved back to Buffalo in October 2006, but left again in May of '08. Truly, there are signs of change (finally), and a small handful of programs and local politicians who finally get it. Back in the 50's and 60's, WNY was the place to be. UB, Roswell Park, Bell Aerospace, Dunlop, Goodyear, Ford, Bethlehem Steel, etc were all booming. Manufacturing, Medical, Education, you name it and the area was prospering. There was room for labor unions at the time. Now, I think the unions are part of the problem. Obviously taxing an ever-dwindling and aging population is another factor. The area needs to consolidate its resources. Gut the small boards and municipalities and their useless representatives. Make Erie County 1 entity, and no more towns, villages, and the like. 1 police force. 1 fire department. 1 supervisor, and 1 board of representatives ACTUALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POPULATION. When monies come in via Waterfront development, Power Authority, etc...petty squabbles about how to waste the money (thank you, Niagara County- NCCC does not need an ice rink) need to end. The money is for waterfront development along the RIVER, and should be concentrated on that purpose. The region needs to pull together for a common goal. Living in Northern VA, we sometimes travel up to Baltimore's Inner Harbor and love it. It'd be great if Buffalo could pull something like that off in my lifetime. Why are the Bills in Orchard Park? Why is UB in Amherst? Why are Casinos being built in Buffalo? The Bills should be downtown. UB should be on the waterfront. I completely don't see any benefit to Casinos in the City of Buffalo. Niagara Falls, on the other hand, should be allowed to become the 'Las Vegas of the East' under the stipulation that the monies gained will be (in part) returned to the area and County for improvement. Of course, that money would have to used for the same and monitored to prevent wastage. People from ALL OVER THE WORLD go to Niagara Falls. Every year, millions make the pilgrimage. Yet, Canada captures so much of the spending cash because they have so much more to offer, its prettier, and cleaner. Why is this allowed? America is a free enterprise. Why is growth so stifled when there is a wonder of the world at is doorstep? Why should Canada get the cash? Having high speed rail along the waterfront connecting the Falls to Buffalo (with stops along the way) would provide packages for visitors to Bills, Sabres, and gambling in the Falls. The theatre district could add to this. Restaurants would thrive with the increased shoppers looking for something to do. Could you imagine a WNY like this? Stop the sprawl, and rededicate to the City. Be unified, and maximize the area for what it has. But who am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Don't worry, scientists predict that in the next 50 yrs there will be a HUGE fresh water crisis in the USA, especially in the South, Soutwest and West. Places that have huge fresh water lakes sitting next to them like Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Rochester, etc.. are poised to make giant comebacks when the populations and large businesses move towards that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Don't worry, scientists predict that in the next 50 yrs there will be a HUGE fresh water crisis in the USA, especially in the South, Soutwest and West. Places that have huge fresh water lakes sitting next to them like Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Rochester, etc.. are poised to make giant comebacks when the populations and large businesses move towards that direction. After years of pollution, I wouldn't call those Lakes "fresh". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 How is Detroit not on their? Detroit actually died about 6 or 7 yrs ago. Thats why it isn't on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I only hope that it adds careers, and not jobs. My wife and I moved back to Buffalo in October 2006, but left again in May of '08. Truly, there are signs of change (finally), and a small handful of programs and local politicians who finally get it. Back in the 50's and 60's, WNY was the place to be. UB, Roswell Park, Bell Aerospace, Dunlop, Goodyear, Ford, Bethlehem Steel, etc were all booming. Manufacturing, Medical, Education, you name it and the area was prospering. There was room for labor unions at the time. Now, I think the unions are part of the problem. Obviously taxing an ever-dwindling and aging population is another factor. The area needs to consolidate its resources. Gut the small boards and municipalities and their useless representatives. Make Erie County 1 entity, and no more towns, villages, and the like. 1 police force. 1 fire department. 1 supervisor, and 1 board of representatives ACTUALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POPULATION. When monies come in via Waterfront development, Power Authority, etc...petty squabbles about how to waste the money (thank you, Niagara County- NCCC does not need an ice rink) need to end. The money is for waterfront development along the RIVER, and should be concentrated on that purpose. The region needs to pull together for a common goal. Living in Northern VA, we sometimes travel up to Baltimore's Inner Harbor and love it. It'd be great if Buffalo could pull something like that off in my lifetime. Why are the Bills in Orchard Park? Why is UB in Amherst? Why are Casinos being built in Buffalo? The Bills should be downtown. UB should be on the waterfront. I completely don't see any benefit to Casinos in the City of Buffalo. Niagara Falls, on the other hand, should be allowed to become the 'Las Vegas of the East' under the stipulation that the monies gained will be (in part) returned to the area and County for improvement. Of course, that money would have to used for the same and monitored to prevent wastage. People from ALL OVER THE WORLD go to Niagara Falls. Every year, millions make the pilgrimage. Yet, Canada captures so much of the spending cash because they have so much more to offer, its prettier, and cleaner. Why is this allowed? America is a free enterprise. Why is growth so stifled when there is a wonder of the world at is doorstep? Why should Canada get the cash? Having high speed rail along the waterfront connecting the Falls to Buffalo (with stops along the way) would provide packages for visitors to Bills, Sabres, and gambling in the Falls. The theatre district could add to this. Restaurants would thrive with the increased shoppers looking for something to do. Could you imagine a WNY like this? Stop the sprawl, and rededicate to the City. Be unified, and maximize the area for what it has. But who am I? Casinos would bring in tourists. It would keep money IN Buffalo. It would boost local business, it would generate revenue, period. Pittsburgh has built a casino, because they see the benefit. Have it all right in downtown. Why incur the cost of all of that infrastructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Detroit actually died about 6 or 7 yrs ago. Thats why it isn't on the list. Funny, yet true. It should just be the whole state of Michigan on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Cleveland and Pittsburgh have populations high enough that their respective NFL teams can handle the loss. The combined populations of Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse don't give the Bills any kind of luxury. ?? flunked sociall studies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Detroit actually died about 6 or 7 yrs ago. Thats why it isn't on the list. detroit is a corpse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConradDobler Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Don't worry, scientists predict that in the next 50 yrs there will be a HUGE fresh water crisis in the USA, especially in the South, Soutwest and West. Places that have huge fresh water lakes sitting next to them like Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Rochester, etc.. are poised to make giant comebacks when the populations and large businesses move towards that direction. The way things work around here, NYS will figure out a way to make us pay to send our water elsewhere. (See NY Power Authority, and our 50% higher than national average electric rates.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Don't worry, scientists predict that in the next 50 yrs there will be a HUGE fresh water crisis in the USA, especially in the South, Soutwest and West. Places that have huge fresh water lakes sitting next to them like Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Rochester, etc.. are poised to make giant comebacks when the populations and large businesses move towards that direction. great --at age 101 maybe i can still get a job in cheektowaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 How is Detroit not on their? Flint is pretty much Detroit anyways. All one in the same. It's like saying Tonawanda is a dying city and wondering why Buffalo isn't on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 The way things work around here, NYS will figure out a way to make us pay to send our water elsewhere. (See NY Power Authority, and our 50% higher than national average electric rates.) The water's going nowhere. Last year, amidst absolutely zero fanfare (thank God) the Great Lakes Compact was passed and signed into law. The water of the Great Lakes can only be used by those COUNTIES in those states which border the lake, and which are part of the drainage basin. So, for example, Lake Ontario water can't even be diverted to Sullivan or Rockland Counties. I'm sitting here looking at a beautiful bay in the Eastern Basin of Lake Ontario.....and it's going to be here forever. NOT watering some goddamn golf course in Nevada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 The water's going nowhere. Last year, amidst absolutely zero fanfare (thank God) the Great Lakes Compact was passed and signed into law. The water of the Great Lakes can only be used by those COUNTIES in those states which border the lake, and which are part of the drainage basin. So, for example, Lake Ontario water can't even be diverted to Sullivan or Rockland Counties. I'm sitting here looking at a beautiful bay in the Eastern Basin of Lake Ontario.....and it's going to be here forever. NOT watering some goddamn golf course in Nevada. Wow! Sensible legislation in WNY/ Southern Ontario?!?!? Maybe we should start hiding in our bombshelters now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 After years of pollution, I wouldn't call those Lakes "fresh". I believe the Lake Erie water is actually fairly clean, isn't it? Back in the heyday of Bethlehem Steel, Republic Steel, Hooker Chemicals, General Mills, or whomever - crap was dumped in the great lakes in ungodly amounts, with profit, rather than pollution foremost on the minds of the offending companies. On the wave of the environmental movement of the late 60s and 70s, didn't a slew of new EPA regulation lead to drasictally cleaner great lakes? Anyone know? How clean are the lakes now? I know there's been some algae problems attributed to mussels, or something like that. When I recently flew above the Lake Erie shoreline, upon descent into Buffalo, I was awestruck by the magnitude and beauty of the lake as the sun reflected off of the water and power boats and sailboats floated below me. Funny how many facets of the area we take for granted growing up there, and never realized, until being transplanted elsewhere, how truly beautiful the landscape is in WNY. Speaking of lakes and fresh water.... My water bill last month was $118 (including sewer). In Buffalo, I believe you still only get a bill like every 3 months. Since the fee is so low, it wouldn't be unusual to pay around $50 for the quarter for water. We have lower taxes here, but when you start adding it all up, I'm not sure we're really any better off, particularly when you consider all the amenities (bike paths, numerous parks, Mighty Taco, etc) available to many WNYers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I believe the Lake Erie water is actually fairly clean, isn't it? Back in the heyday of Bethlehem Steel, Republic Steel, Hooker Chemicals, General Mills, or whomever - crap was dumped in the great lakes in ungodly amounts, with profit, rather than pollution foremost on the minds of the offending companies. On the wave of the environmental movement of the late 60s and 70s, didn't a slew of new EPA regulation lead to drasictally cleaner great lakes? Anyone know? How clean are the lakes now? I know there's been some algae problems attributed to mussels, or something like that. When I recently flew above the Lake Erie shoreline, upon descent into Buffalo, I was awestruck by the magnitude and beauty of the lake as the sun reflected off of the water and power boats and sailboats floated below me. Funny how many facets of the area we take for granted growing up there, and never realized, until being transplanted elsewhere, how truly beautiful the landscape is in WNY. Speaking of lakes and fresh water.... My water bill last month was $118 (including sewer). In Buffalo, I believe you still only get a bill like every 3 months. Since the fee is so low, it wouldn't be unusual to pay around $50 for the quarter for water. We have lower taxes here, but when you start adding it all up, I'm not sure we're really any better off, particularly when you consider all the amenities (bike paths, numerous parks, Mighty Taco, etc) available to many WNYers. Good questions. I believe that people are still warned to not eat the fish out of the lakes because of PCB's still in the water and the fish. Swimming is also discouraged at certain sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 The water's going nowhere. Last year, amidst absolutely zero fanfare (thank God) the Great Lakes Compact was passed and signed into law. The water of the Great Lakes can only be used by those COUNTIES in those states which border the lake, and which are part of the drainage basin. So, for example, Lake Ontario water can't even be diverted to Sullivan or Rockland Counties. I'm sitting here looking at a beautiful bay in the Eastern Basin of Lake Ontario.....and it's going to be here forever. NOT watering some goddamn golf course in Nevada. Yes and no - there are cracks in the dikes from which some are trying to divert and once it is diverted once there will be no end to the diversions. The example you mentioned Nevada is not the immediate danger but communities like NYC & Cincinnati which are outside of Great Lakes basin but want to tap into the water. In Wisconsin the western communities are already starting to fight to have access to the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 This suggests that dying accelerates after death...How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Soldier N.O. Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I like your vision Red. I am 100% behind city cores becoming the focus again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilbuffalobob Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 What an idiotic article. Have these ignaramuses ever been to Gary, IN? ... the state of Indiana... Worst Verginia (spelled with the backwoods accent)? Come on. I spent yesterday morning in Rochester and the afternoon in Buffalo. Unemployment and NY Welfare pay very well these days (at my exp). Both towns we're bustling, busy and well-watered from 20+ consecutive days of rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 The water's going nowhere. Last year, amidst absolutely zero fanfare (thank God) the Great Lakes Compact was passed and signed into law. The water of the Great Lakes can only be used by those COUNTIES in those states which border the lake, and which are part of the drainage basin. So, for example, Lake Ontario water can't even be diverted to Sullivan or Rockland Counties. I'm sitting here looking at a beautiful bay in the Eastern Basin of Lake Ontario.....and it's going to be here forever. NOT watering some goddamn golf course in Nevada. How come the Ontario shore in Rochester smells so bad?...uggggh that beach near Charlotte....its greenish brown and smells like a Bombay sewage treatment plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 As soon as no one is left I'm moving back to Rochester so I can finally be alone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I like your vision Red. I am 100% behind city cores becoming the focus again. Thanks, man. It breaks my heart to see the real WNY, when there are is so much potential if things would be amended. I think WNY is controlled to a large extent by NYC and Albany. I never understood why local politicians were ok with this. I like Brian Higgins. But WNY, IMO, needs someone who is bigger than the politics of the area to come in and bond everyone together for change. Someone to really drive what needs to be done, and embarrass anyone who gets in the way. I'm not saying I have an idea who, but someone with the profile of a Trump or something. Someone so big, anyone that got in the way would be crushed. And they most likely would have to come from outside of the WNY system of doing things. But alas, I dream too much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hialeah dying? Yo no se, amigo. Not from where I sit, which is Miami Lakes AKA Hialeah West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 As soon as no one is left I'm moving back to Rochester so I can finally be alone... hehe..i actually like rochester more than Buff as far as the downtown area is concerned even tho im a former buffalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 30 years ago is calling and wants it story back. Rack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 great --at age 101 maybe i can still get a job in cheektowaga Buffalo has been dead for awhile now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hialeah dying? Yo no se, amigo. Not from where I sit, which is Miami Lakes AKA Hialeah West. Say hola to the gang at Don Shula's for me. My wife is heading to her Hialeah Thoroughbreds H.S. reunion in a couple of weeks. Oh yeah. House to myself. Party time for me!!! Got it all scheduled already. Day 1: Stop down at the park on Sat. 15th during soundcheck, get Paul to autograph my replica Hofner Beatle bass Give ex-Beatle unsolicited advise on how to effectively play Blackbird and pick up chicks. Stop at local pub for a cold beer. Call cops to recover signed Beatle bass stolen from parked car. Go home, have another beer. Rub one out. Invite some friends over. Order pizza & wings Drink more beer. Watch Bills/Bears preseason game in high def. Get rid of friends. Rub one out again. Go to bed. Day 2: .........etc Oh yeah. A real party animal am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Buffalo, the zombie city. Is this a shock to anyone? Buffalo is always on these lists. While Charlotte, Orlando, Phoenix and other sunbelt cities are always on the list for fastest growing cities because they are obviously such awesome places to live that everyone wants to move or rather SHOULD move there. We know Buffalo is not the thriving place it once was. Perhaps by the time the next study rolls around, Buffalo will have collapsed and fallen on Cheektowaga and killed it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegtapr Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Speaking of lakes and fresh water....My water bill last month was $118 (including sewer). In Buffalo, I believe you still only get a bill like every 3 months. Since the fee is so low, it wouldn't be unusual to pay around $50 for the quarter for water. We have lower taxes here, but when you start adding it all up, I'm not sure we're really any better off, particularly when you consider all the amenities (bike paths, numerous parks, Mighty Taco, etc) available to many WNYers. Yep. My last quarterly bill was about $34 for two people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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