Arkady Renko Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I could deal with the two games in Toronto if there was an effort to settle the team's long-term future in Buffalo along with it. But I doubt this will occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardFan Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 this just validates the fact that this 5 year deal is a gradual progression to move the team to Toronto.The time to fight this is now, anyone with clout who wants the Bills to stay. Write your elected officials. Let them know how you feel. To paraphrase Mr Weo what can elected officials do (besides fill their pockets with lobbyist money). Is a reverse deportation possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 So are the Pats fans saying "Holy sh-t it is Maverick and Goose" yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Does Ralph Wilson normally put off lease negotiations until the last minute? 4 years to go on the current lease = putting it off to the last minute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatpantsjoe Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 If the NFL expands to a 17 game season and you get that extra home game, I don't see the big deal in giving that one to Toronto. You still get to play 7 games at the Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 4 years to go on the current lease = putting it off to the last minute? Poor choice of words on my part. Does Ralph normally wait until the last year or two of the lease before entering into negotiations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Rather ship the posters to Canada.If toxic waste transport covered by free trade agreement? Done using ALL CAPS, posting or going? glen, a lot of us feel we just got the lube wiped off our a$$ from the FIRST game being moved up there and now they're coming in for more? i've had enough. if it happens we're a laughingstock. sayonara ralph and go to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 glen, a lot of us feel we just got the lube wiped off our a$$ from the FIRST game being moved up there and now they're coming in for more? i've had enough. if it happens we're a laughingstock. sayonara ralph and go to hell. I understand the outrage, but seriously, it was a survey. It was probably primarily for price and packages and stuff (Jack and Lori can help fill that in), and they also decided to take the temperature on more games. I don't blame Rogers for asking the questions. I do blame them if they decided to do it without notifying the Bills and the NFL (their business partners) as this was sure to get public, and cause a ruckus. The Bills and NFL may have asked them not to do it, or had a prepared statement that addressed the issue, that would have explained what it was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Understand I am not suggesting it won't, or can't, happen. I'm just clarifying that it isn't simply up to Ralph. And, if I'm Goodell. I'm none too happy about the research stunt they just pulled. you mean the stunt orchestrated by that marketing genius Russ Brandon?? yeah - he had nothing to do with it he just jacked up interest in games in Buffalo and Toronto with very minimal cost outlay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 you mean the stunt orchestrated by that marketing genius Russ Brandon?? yeah - he had nothing to do with it he just jacked up interest in games in Buffalo and Toronto with very minimal cost outlay. So, if I have this straight, Brandon is a total incompetent douche who can do nothing right, unless you can blame him for something. Then, he is, all of a sudden, a super competent purveyor of an intricate and carefully planned move that upsets the fans...but ends up being a brilliant move for publicity. Do I have that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 So, if I have this straight, Brandon is a total incompetent douche who can do nothing right, unless you can blame him for something. Then, he is, all of a sudden, a super competent purveyor of an intricate and carefully planned move that upsets the fans...but ends up being a brilliant move for publicity. Do I have that right? no - let me simplify it for you. Brandon is a marketing genius. always has been The Toronto games are brilliant because they put huge money in Ralph's pocket with no risk to the season ticket base however, he doesn't know diddly about the on-field product and how to build a contender. If you don;t think he was heavily involved in this "survey", they you are just being very naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 no - let me simplify it for you. Brandon is a marketing genius. always has been The Toronto games are brilliant because they put huge money in Ralph's pocket with no risk to the season ticket base however, he doesn't know diddly about the on-field product and how to build a contender. If you don;t think he was heavily involved in this "survey", they you are just being very naive. Got it. Diabolical marketing genius, pulling all the strings...concocting surveys for Rogers'...leaking the possibility of more games in Toronto to anger the US Bills' fans. I bet Rogers didn't even know what he was doing. Do you think, maybe, he left Ralph and others in the Bills organization out of the loop, too...just so their reactions would appear more sincere...because they WOULD be? I wonder, do you think he did it from a wheelchair? Maybe with a cat on his lap? Do you think he wears a monocle when he does this (Brandon, not the cat)? A cat wearing monocle? That's just crazy. (My name is Brian Fellow.) I'm naive...right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Wow, Lori - you are popular on that message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Wow, Lori - you are popular on that message board. Which one, Rock? Gotta link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Which one, Rock? Gotta link? Post 23 from Lori -Link: blogs are after the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Post 23 from Lori -Link: blogs are after the story Thank ya, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Got it. Diabolical marketing genius, pulling all the strings...concocting surveys for Rogers'...leaking the possibility of more games in Toronto to anger the US Bills' fans. I bet Rogers didn't even know what he was doing. Do you think, maybe, he left Ralph and others in the Bills organization out of the loop, too...just so their reactions would appear more sincere...because they WOULD be? I wonder, do you think he did it from a wheelchair? Maybe with a cat on his lap? Do you think he wears a monocle when he does this (Brandon, not the cat)? A cat wearing monocle? That's just crazy. (My name is Brian Fellow.) I'm naive...right. and Brandon's Diabolical plans may go unchecked now that Jack Bower's been contaminated and Tony's toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1419844 "We have done a lot of customer research after the December 7th [2008 Bills game in Toronto], with an eye to making the Bills' Toronto Series better," said Adrian Montgomery, a Rogers executive and the general manager of the series. "This is the third iteration of that research, which we sent to the general public and some of the folks that already purchased tickets in 2008, and asked them a number of questions. And one of the questions was a hypothetical question about additional games being played here. That's just what it is: a hypothetical question."... ..."What are the fans thinking? I don't know," Montgomery said, with a laugh. "The timeline was, we sent the questionnaire out Friday night. So, about 12 minutes later it was on ESPN.com. And I don't have any answers yet." Outstanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1419844 Outstanding! Go re-read that quote from the survey, and tell me how "hypothetical" it sounds. But yeah, the "12 minutes later" is amusing, considering it actually COULD have been on ESPN earlier than it was, if the Bills hadn't waited to reply. And Rock, meet my newest fan. He didn't like it too much when I laughed at him for suggesting the NFL would expand to Calgary and Edmonton. After that, I was just havin' a little fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 Lori can either back me up or disagree, and I wish I kept screen captures of the survey, but as the questions went on, they got more and more about having more games in Toronto, not just the additional ones they were 'considering' for 2010-2012. It seemed Rogers was pushing for an opinion on how we would feel if either the Bills or other teams to continue having games in Toronto after the agreement runs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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