JAMIEBUF12 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 WOW! i didn't realize that aaron schobel was 2nd in the afc with 5.5 sacks to john abraham of the jests with 8.5.i was voting for the pro bowl when i saw the stats.he may not be flashy but he does seem to be putting up steady numbers.go bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 WOW! i didn't realize that aaron schobel was 2nd in the afc with 5.5 sacks to john abraham of the jests with 8.5.i was voting for the pro bowl when i saw the stats.he may not be flashy but he does seem to be putting up steady numbers.go bills 97641[/snapback] Schoebel is a one trick wonder with no real talent at all and TD is an idiot for signing him before he hit the open market. Don't bring stats into the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Abraham is having a monster year....AS is having a damn fine one also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Moorman should get all the AFC's votes considering the weather he has to punt in. Already Miami and Arizona have been awful conditions. No way should a dome or warm weather punter get picked if Mooman has similar stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Schoebel is a one trick wonder with no real talent at all and TD is an idiot for signing him before he hit the open market. Don't bring stats into the argument. 97650[/snapback] i know where you are coming from. sometimes i feel that way. but you have to admit the guy has been solid in his play with no real weaknesses or mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 i know where you are coming from. sometimes i feel that way. but you have to admit the guy has been solid in his play with no real weaknesses or mistakes. 97832[/snapback] I think it was :sarcasm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I think it was :sarcasm: 97863[/snapback] I always forget that button! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I think it was :sarcasm: 97863[/snapback] Mine wasn't. I think Schobel is overated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolly Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The problem I have with Schobel is that he is inconsistent. To me, he is an average DL. I need a DL to show up every game and pressure the QB, not disappear for 2 games and then get 3 sacks in a game. Also, he sucks in run defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The problem I have with Schobel is that he is inconsistent. To me, he is an average DL. I need a DL to show up every game and pressure the QB, not disappear for 2 games and then get 3 sacks in a game. Also, he sucks in run defense. 98353[/snapback] actually he does get a lot of tackles. and from what the coaches say about him he is pretty good at run defense. and as far as sacks go.... he has the 2nd most in the afc. what do you want out of the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The problem I have with schobel is he has these monster games and than nothing. Most of his good games come against crappy teams. Yeah it looks nice right now to have 5.5 sacks, but I'd rather have a John Abraham who can give you consistent pressure and cause quick throws that force turnovers. I think our turnover margin on defense would drastically improve with a true threat at defensive end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The problem I have with Schobel is that he is inconsistent. To me, he is an average DL. I need a DL to show up every game and pressure the QB, not disappear for 2 games and then get 3 sacks in a game. Also, he sucks in run defense. 98353[/snapback] So you want another Bruce Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The problem I have with schobel is he has these monster games and than nothing. Most of his good games come against crappy teams. Yeah it looks nice right now to have 5.5 sacks, but I'd rather have a John Abraham who can give you consistent pressure and cause quick throws that force turnovers. I think our turnover margin on defense would drastically improve with a true threat at defensive end. 98541[/snapback] Well he DID get 2 sacks going against Jonathan Ogden. And QB pressures are almost as good as sacks, but there are no stats kept for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesir Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Schoebel is a one trick wonder with no real talent at all and TD is an idiot for signing him before he hit the open market. Don't bring stats into the argument. 97650[/snapback] No... Tell me what you really think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesir Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The problem I have with schobel is he has these monster games and than nothing. Most of his good games come against crappy teams. Yeah it looks nice right now to have 5.5 sacks, but I'd rather have a John Abraham who can give you consistent pressure and cause quick throws that force turnovers. I think our turnover margin on defense would drastically improve with a true threat at defensive end. 98541[/snapback] My problem with this is almost half of his sacks came against a future hall of famer who is still in his prime. This reminds me of all the people that call in after a game and say "If you take out Willis' 2 24 yard runs and the screen pass and the touchdown, he's no better than Travis" ALL THE PLAYS COUNT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 My problem with this is almost half of his sacks came against a future hall of famer who is still in his prime. This reminds me of all the people that call in after a game and say "If you take out Willis' 2 24 yard runs and the screen pass and the touchdown, he's no better than Travis" ALL THE PLAYS COUNT!!! 99038[/snapback] 2 sacks and many run stops against the best left tackle in the game CANNOT be disputed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Schoebel is a one trick wonder with no real talent at all and TD is an idiot for signing him before he hit the open market. Don't bring stats into the argument. 97650[/snapback] that makes a lot of sense.....good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The problem I have with Schobel is that he is inconsistent. To me, he is an average DL. I need a DL to show up every game and pressure the QB, not disappear for 2 games and then get 3 sacks in a game. Also, he sucks in run defense. 98353[/snapback] dude...there are about 2 of those type of lineman in the league...and to say that Schobel is average is ridiculous...I love how when a player attains good stats...people like you say "ahhh, those don't tell the real story"...BS....stats don't lie...it still takes a good player to accumulate those stats...give me a break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The problem I have with schobel is he has these monster games and than nothing. Most of his good games come against crappy teams. Yeah it looks nice right now to have 5.5 sacks, but I'd rather have a John Abraham who can give you consistent pressure and cause quick throws that force turnovers. I think our turnover margin on defense would drastically improve with a true threat at defensive end. 98541[/snapback] Come on! Schobel alone has been in on something like 4 turnovers (3 FF and 1 FR). And as for a consistent pass rush, this isn't Madden football. No DE is going to get 4 sacks every week. AS is always around the ball--against the run and pass-- and always puts pressure on the QB. He might not be to the level of a John Abraham--then again, Schobel can't play against Bledsoe twice a year to pad his stats (e.g., 3 of Abraham's sacks were against DB this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Come on! Schobel alone has been in on something like 4 turnovers (3 FF and 1 FR). And as for a consistent pass rush, this isn't Madden football. No DE is going to get 4 sacks every week. AS is always around the ball--against the run and pass-- and always puts pressure on the QB. He might not be to the level of a John Abraham--then again, Schobel can't play against Bledsoe twice a year to pad his stats (e.g., 3 of Abraham's sacks were against DB this year). 99413[/snapback] Jason Taylor, John Abraham get consistant double teams. Schobel never gets double teamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Jason Taylor, John Abraham get consistant double teams. Schobel never gets double teamed. 99520[/snapback] What's your point...If a player does not get double teamed he sucks???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 What's your point...If a player does not get double teamed he sucks???? 99529[/snapback] I think his point is that he's a Buffalo Bill so therefore somehow he must suck and be complained about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I think his point is that he's a Buffalo Bill so therefore somehow he must suck and be complained about 99585[/snapback] Yeah..that's the feeling I get with a lot of the fans on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Well he DID get 2 sacks going against Jonathan Ogden. And QB pressures are almost as good as sacks, but there are no stats kept for it. 99023[/snapback] Schobel did "show up" against Ogden, a pretty fair LT is most peoples books last I checked, but one correction is needed, they DO keeps stats on pressures. What made Bruce Smith so impressive wasn't always his raw sack numbers (although they are impressive), but also the huge number of pressures he was credited with as well. For example, in 1996 he had 13.5 sacks and 54 QB pressures (Bills 1997 Media Guide). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Schobel did "show up" against Ogden, a pretty fair LT is most peoples books last I checked, but one correction is needed, they DO keeps stats on pressures. What made Bruce Smith so impressive wasn't always his raw sack numbers (although they are impressive), but also the huge number of pressures he was credited with as well. For example, in 1996 he had 13.5 sacks and 54 QB pressures (Bills 1997 Media Guide). 99845[/snapback] good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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