nuklz2594 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It would be nice for us to revert to a defensive scheme that actually worked at one time. We need major help and upgrades on the defensive line. Why not scrap this mess and go to a 3-4? Are Stroud and Williams capable of playing nose tackle? The defensive ends are a problem now and need to be upgraded anyway. Poz and Kavicka are more than big enough to handle lb responsiblities in this scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Not sure how Fewell would respond to that....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 The Giants, Titans, Eagles, Vikings, Bears, Colts, Bucs, Panthers, Ravens (at times), Jags and heck even the Texans have done a good job with the 4-3. We just need a few more playmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 the 4-3 can work we are just becoming fixated on 3-4 because for some ungodly reason our O cant figure out how to beat one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 3-4 works only if you have a dominant Nose Tackle... We have one... we should switch... the only question is do we have 4 good linebackers. With Crowell, most definitely, but will he be a Bill next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It would be nice for us to revert to a defensive scheme that actually worked at one time. We need major help and upgrades on the defensive line. Why not scrap this mess and go to a 3-4? Are Stroud and Williams capable of playing nose tackle? The defensive ends are a problem now and need to be upgraded anyway. Poz and Kavicka are more than big enough to handle lb responsiblities in this scheme. I wonder if Stroud could play DE in a 3-4. Williams would be tough to fit--no way he can play NT. If we were to run a 3-4, who's inside and who's outside for the LB's. Poz and Mitchell look pretty slow to me--can they handle OLB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOfTheRockpile Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Moving to a 3-4 would be a mistake of epic proportions at this point. 1 - We do NOT have DE's even remotely capable of playing in that system. 2 - Our linebackers aren't NEARLY good enough to play that system. 3 - Our safeties are pitiful, and not qualified to play in such a system. There is a dearth of talent on the defensive side of the ball, like it or not. No ends, mediocre linebackers, below average safeties. If you have talent, you can win with any system... Tampa-2, 4-3, 3-4, 46, whatever. This team could win with the Fewell Tampa-2 if they had impact players. Unfortunately, they don't have nearly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 You need big physical linebackers.. we dont have any. You need a big FAT nose tackle.. I think Stroud is too tall and not thick enough You need 300+ pound DE's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I personally do not like the 3-4. A switch to the 3-4 would also take several years because we don't have the personnel. Not even close, as some others have suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 No. Bills defense has gone from like number 31 in the league last year to 10 and 15 in fewest points allowed. Let's just try to get a little more talent. We'll be fine. I'm not a big Tampa-2 guy either, but for the most part, it seems to be working. Let's not start over now. The O is where we need to concentrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I'd like to see a 5-2 defense. DE - DT - NT - DT - DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 That would be nice but you can't just do that and adapt over one offseason. It doesn't work. We would need to replace all of our defensive ends with the exception of Schoebel. We'd need to get 2 more starting LBs instead of just one (Ellison doesn't cut it), we'd need to get 3-4 backup LBs capable of playing in the scheme. So no, that's a stupid thought assuming we want to win next year. It would be nice for us to revert to a defensive scheme that actually worked at one time. We need major help and upgrades on the defensive line. Why not scrap this mess and go to a 3-4? Are Stroud and Williams capable of playing nose tackle? The defensive ends are a problem now and need to be upgraded anyway. Poz and Kavicka are more than big enough to handle lb responsiblities in this scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 3-4 works only if you have a dominant Nose Tackle... We have one... we should switch... the only question is do we have 4 good linebackers. With Crowell, most definitely, but will he be a Bill next year? I'm not so sure we do have one. Stroud, in the way he plays the position, is more like Cowboys Pro Bowl NT Jay Ratliff. He's more athletic than physically dominant. Stroud is not a 2 gap plugger in the mold of guys like Casey Hampton, Jamal Williams, Vince Wilfork, and Kris Jenkins. You can have a strong defense w/ an athletic NT (the Cowboys can sure bring it), but you'll have to have a relentless front seven, in terms of how they pursue the ballcarriers and the QB. That we most certainly do not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 That would be nice but you can't just do that and adapt over one offseason. It doesn't work. We would need to replace all of our defensive ends with the exception of Schoebel. We'd need to get 2 more starting LBs instead of just one (Ellison doesn't cut it), we'd need to get 3-4 backup LBs capable of playing in the scheme. So no, that's a stupid thought assuming we want to win next year. I may be wrong on this but didn't Miami switch from 4-3 to 3-4 this year while getting rid of Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas? Seems as though it's working for them. It's not as catastrophic as everyone thinks to switch defensive scheme's in between seasons, then again we don't have a GM with the eye of Parcelles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 From a personnel standpoint, we are pretty much stuck with the 4-3 scheme. Would take new coaches and a half dozen new players to switch.... Bills have been reasonalbly good on D and on special teams this year.. its the offense that has been terrible in the 2nd half of the season..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 It would be nice for us to revert to a defensive scheme that actually worked at one time. We need major help and upgrades on the defensive line. Why not scrap this mess and go to a 3-4? Are Stroud and Williams capable of playing nose tackle? The defensive ends are a problem now and need to be upgraded anyway. Poz and Kavicka are more than big enough to handle lb responsiblities in this scheme. so 2/3 of our line will be crap instead of 2/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I may be wrong on this but didn't Miami switch from 4-3 to 3-4 this year while getting rid of Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas? Seems as though it's working for them. It's not as catastrophic as everyone thinks to switch defensive scheme's in between seasons, then again we don't have a GM with the eye of Parcelles. Miami employed a hybrid 4-3/3-4 scheme in the years before Sparano's arrival. They were already familiar w/ the 3-4 scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Miami employed a hybrid 4-3/3-4 scheme in the years before Sparano's arrival. They were already familiar w/ the 3-4 scheme. Okay, that's what I wasn't sure of. I thought I had seen Miami line up in the 3-4 last year but wasn't sure how much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 WOW this board has SUCH a crush on the 3-4. Personally I don't like that defense. I never have. I think it's too soft against a power running team. But forgetting that for a second we simply CANNOT switch to a 3-4 because if you think the defense is bad now wait until you see this group playing a 3-4. With the linebacking corps that the Bills have I don't know why anyone would want to see 4 of them on the field at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan74 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 It would be nice for us to revert to a defensive scheme that actually worked at one time. We need major help and upgrades on the defensive line. Why not scrap this mess and go to a 3-4? Are Stroud and Williams capable of playing nose tackle? The defensive ends are a problem now and need to be upgraded anyway. Poz and Kavicka are more than big enough to handle lb responsiblities in this scheme. Do you remenber the Dallas and Washington super bowls? Both 4-3 defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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