Hamilton repoting Evans wide open all game...

[Big Turk]

Said Edwards was shellshocked and was scared to look farther than 5 yards downfield. Receivers were running open all game long. Hamilton said Evans left so fast at the end of the game, he was gone before Jauron's press conference was over. Said he has never seen Evans leave like that...said he looked disgusted, and instead of probably saying some things he would regret and going off, he just left so he wouldn't have to answer any questions....

 

Said he wouldn't be surprised because if Evans doesn't even show up for his show tomorrow, he looked that PO'd...

[TheKing]

Yeah I saw him wide open on occassions watching it on TV.

[Kipers Hair]

Said Edwards was shellshocked and was scared to look farther than 5 yards downfield. Receivers were running open all game long. Hamilton said Evans left so fast at the end of the game, he was gone before Jauron's press conference was over. Said he has never seen Evans leave like that...said he looked disgusted, and instead of probably saying some things he would regret and going off, he just left so he wouldn't have to answer any questions....

 

Said he wouldn't be surprised because if Evans doesn't even show up for his show tomorrow, he looked that PO'd...

Well - We invested tons of money in him and we are on prime time...and we look at him, what once? The freaking rookie out of KY got more love from Trent... Pitiful, pathetic, disgraceful - I think the staff and Trent owe Evans an apology...

[BillsObserver]

I heard this.

 

I feel like crying.

 

Edwards is so much better than tonight. Earlier in the season if he had these opportunities, he would've carved this defense up but the 3 interceptions killed any bit of confidence he had.

[Fan in San Diego]

I saw Evans making sandwiches in the end zone. Then BBQ'ing chicken. Too bad Trent didn't look downfield.

[keepthefaith]

I heard this.

 

I feel like crying.

 

Edwards is so much better than tonight. Earlier in the season if he had these opportunities, he would've carved this defense up but the 3 interceptions killed any bit of confidence he had.

 

Maybe he isn't. Maybe he just over achieved earlier or maybe teams have learned how to now defend him and he has yet to overcome that.

[Hossage]

Edwards was afraid to throw the ball on a few occasions. But clevelands coverage was excellent, whereas during the rest of the season their defensive backs may as well have been making out with each other.

[Big Turk]

Edwards was afraid to throw the ball on a few occasions. But clevelands coverage was excellent, whereas during the rest of the season their defensive backs may as well have been making out with each other.

 

Every teams coverage seems to be excellent when they drop 8 into coverage, except ours. Funny how Edwards can't find ways to pick those defenses apart when he faces a D that drops into coverage every day in practice, but every team we play seems to have no problems with our D when we drop into coverage. Obviously there are people running open for periods of time and Edwards isn't finding them...it hasn't worked for the last 4 games, and it won't work next game...maybe its because he refuses to throw a ball more than 10 yards down the field to loosen up coverages....

[ieatcrayonz]

Edwards is so much better than tonight. Earlier in the season if he had these opportunities, he would've carved this defense up but the 3 interceptions killed any bit of confidence he had.

Edwards has thrown for two or more TDs in a 2008 game exactly zero times this year. At no point in the season or his career would he have carved up those opportunities. Maybe he will get better but he sucked last year, he sucked earlier this year and he sucks now. I detect a trend but I could be wrong.

[HurlyBurly51]

Edwards is so much better than tonight. Earlier in the season if he had these opportunities, he would've carved this defense up but the 3 interceptions killed any bit of confidence he had.

 

Unlike the HOF QB watching on the sidelines tonight, TE needs to grow a sack and get over it. Throw a pick or two, then come back and show 'em what you've got. He instead went into the fetile position.

[ieatcrayonz]

Unlike the HOF QB watching on the sidelines tonight, TE needs to grow a sack and get over it. Throw a pick or two, then come back and show 'em what you've got. He instead went into the fetile position.

More like the feline position.

[BillsObserver]

Edwards has thrown for two or more TDs in a 2008 game exactly zero times this year. At no point in the season or his career would he have carved up those opportunities. Maybe he will get better but he sucked last year, he sucked earlier this year and he sucks now. I detect a trend but I could be wrong.

 

When I refer to carving up a defense, I don't mean throwing for more than 2 touchdowns. He carved up San Diego's defense, would you agree?

 

He was absolute garbage tonight, no doubt about it. But after hearing several people talk about Lee Evans (and even James Hardy on a few occasions) being open all night, you have to ask yourself if Trent played like he did in that San Diego game, or the Jacksonville game, or the Seattle game, would his night be dramatically different? I think so. But it wasn't. He looks completely different than he did earlier in the season.

 

You cannot deny the fact that he looked absolutely terrified out there after the 3rd INT. He checked down to Lynch at every possible opportunity. That is not the Trent we saw at the beginning of the season. And that was my point. He has never carved up many defenses with touchdowns galore, but he has methodically worn some out.

[TheKing]

Do the fans that said the Bills should have taken Culter instead of Whitner look like the experts yet?

You just don't pass on a Culter for a mere safety.

Safties aren't normally impact players.

 

Even if Edwards pans out it was an epic blunder to pass on Cutler.

[VOR]

When I refer to carving up a defense, I don't mean throwing for more than 2 touchdowns. He carved up San Diego's defense, would you agree?

 

He was absolute garbage tonight, no doubt about it. But after hearing several people talk about Lee Evans (and even James Hardy on a few occasions) being open all night, you have to ask yourself if Trent played like he did in that San Diego game, or the Jacksonville game, or the Seattle game, would his night be dramatically different? I think so. But it wasn't. He looks completely different than he did earlier in the season.

 

You cannot deny the fact that he looked absolutely terrified out there after the 3rd INT. He checked down to Lynch at every possible opportunity. That is not the Trent we saw at the beginning of the season. And that was my point. He has never carved up many defenses with touchdowns galore, but he has methodically worn some out.

The fact that he looked good beating the Chargers, after suffering the concussion, and then playing so horribly the past 4 weeks, is perplexing.

[BillsObserver]

The fact that he looked good beating the Chargers, after suffering the concussion, and then playing so horribly the past 4 weeks, is perplexing.

 

I agree, it is perplexing. I have no idea what the hell happened to the kid.

[ieatcrayonz]

When I refer to carving up a defense, I don't mean throwing for more than 2 touchdowns. He carved up San Diego's defense, would you agree?

 

He was absolute garbage tonight, no doubt about it. But after hearing several people talk about Lee Evans (and even James Hardy on a few occasions) being open all night, you have to ask yourself if Trent played like he did in that San Diego game, or the Jacksonville game, or the Seattle game, would his night be dramatically different? I think so. But it wasn't. He looks completely different than he did earlier in the season.

 

You cannot deny the fact that he looked absolutely terrified out there after the 3rd INT. He checked down to Lynch at every possible opportunity. That is not the Trent we saw at the beginning of the season. And that was my point. He has never carved up many defenses with touchdowns galore, but he has methodically worn some out.

I agree with the part about him sucking tonight.

 

We have needed special teams or defensive scores to win against St. Louis and Seattle. He tried to hand the game to Oakland and barely survived. We got one touchdaown against Jax. I left SD off the list by mistake. He played well in that game.

 

If there was any shredding at all it was against SD. We have played 10 games. I disagree with the shredding theory.

[BillsObserver]

Unlike the HOF QB watching on the sidelines tonight, TE needs to grow a sack and get over it. Throw a pick or two, then come back and show 'em what you've got. He instead went into the fetile position.

 

But what about the end of the game when he actually threw with confidence and hit Royal with a perfect strike, only to be forced into 3 consecutive runs for a game losing field goal attempt? He's won games before on the last drive, why couldn't he have done it this time? The coaching staff had the balls to keep him in the game but they didn't have the balls to let him try to win it.

 

No doubt, Trent was horrible tonight, but at least give the man the chance to drive the team closer. It would've been a chance for redemption for the kid. Instead, he looks like a really, really bad quarterback on national tv.

[ieatcrayonz]

Instead, he looks like a really, really bad quarterback on national tv.

And Niagara Falls looked like Niagara Falls on national tv. I detect a trend.

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

Unlike the HOF QB watching on the sidelines tonight, TE needs to grow a sack and get over it. Throw a pick or two, then come back and show 'em what you've got. He instead went into the fetile position.

 

 

In the broadcast, they mentioned how Kelly threw a couple picks in a Mon. nite game in 1991 against Cincy...well, my memory is still good... Jim carved the joke Bungles defense up with 5 touchdown passes.

 

 

Anyone remember Dan Dierdorf? comments about Bungle DB Richard Fain? feigning (sp) injury? Lofton had that clown for lunch.

[KOKBILLS]

Do the fans that said the Bills should have taken Culter instead of Whitner looks like the experts yet?

You just don't pass on a Culter for a mere safety.

Safties aren't nowmally impact players.

 

Even if Edwards pans out it was an epic blunder to pass on Cutler.

 

When the Bills were 4-0...I posted here that I would rather have Edwards than Cutler...Not because I thought Edwards was more skilled than Cutler...Rather it was because I THOUGHT Edwards was the smarter, more poised, and more accurate QB...I was wrong...I admit it...

 

I'd rather have Cutler now no question...And missing on a QB of that calibre hurts...It really does...I still think Trent can snap out of this...growing pains and all...But Cutler is the better Pro and probably will be for the rest of their careers...

[bills44]

Yeah, I was watching Evans, and he was open on a number of plays.

[Thirdborn]

Edwards has thrown for two or more TDs in a 2008 game exactly zero times this year. At no point in the season or his career would he have carved up those opportunities. Maybe he will get better but he sucked last year, he sucked earlier this year and he sucks now. I detect a trend but I could be wrong.

 

pooh pooh on you.

[Thirdborn]

pooh pooh on you.

 

 

It's a sad sad day when I have to say Pooh Pooh on you. My Trent has crumbled.

[TheKing]

When the Bills were 4-0...I posted here that I would rather have Edwards than Cutler...Not because I thought Edwards was more skilled than Cutler...Rather it was because I THOUGHT Edwards was the smarter, more poised, and more accurate QB...I was wrong...I admit it...

 

I'd rather have Cutler now no question...And missing on a QB of that calibre hurts...It really does...I still think Trent can snap out of this...growing pains and all...But Cutler is the better Pro and probably will be for the rest of their careers...

To me it's not even a matter of which will be the better QB.

To me the bigger issue then was...just take Cutler because a QB like that has far more value.

SanDiego took Eli even though they had Breese and it worked out beautifully.

 

There is no law that says you cannot make a trade downline.

Trades happen all the time.

 

I hope by now these people that were so boldly saying how correct it was for the Bills to take Whitner now see how mistaken they were.

Largely and not coincidentally they were they same fans that bitterly defended Losman.

In his 3rd year Whitner has all of 2 career picks.

 

I hope those people are starting to realize that they know next to nothing.

 

NOTHING!

[jjbegoose]

To me it's not even a matter of which will be the better QB.

To me the bigger issue then was...just take Cutler because a QB like that has far more value.

SanDiego took Eli even though they had Breese and it worked out beautifully.

 

There is no law that says you cannot make a trade downline.

Trades happen all the time.

 

I hope by now these people that were so boldly saying how correct it was for the Bills to take Whitner now see how mistaken they were.

Largely and not coincidentally they were they same fans that bitterly defended Losman.

In his 3rd year Whitner has all of 2 career picks.

 

I hope those people are starting to realize that they know next to nothing.

 

NOTHING!

 

they could have got Haloit Ngata who has 2 picks as a DT this year which equals Whitners career. Ngata is like 380 and a run stuffing beast... thats the kinda player u take 9th, not a no name safety. and ya, Trent is as dead as his head coach.. im pretty sure both Trent and Dick like boys

[zonabb]

Unfortunately, open on TV and open from the press box (Hamilton is a tool and has no clue, stick to hockey fat boy) dosn't mean open from the eyes of the guy standing behind the line. If you drop 8 into coverage and have 2 WRs and a TE (who sucks and no one is afraid of) that means no one is open. It's been four weeks in a row with the same defensive game plan. Drop 8 back to cover.

 

And why is it working? Simple: this team does not have a second WR that threatens anyone and I'll say it for what seems like the 15th year in a row, they lack a TE and need to draft one that can stretch defenses and keep them honest. Royal sucks, he should be cut now.

 

So, explain to me then what "open" means? Guys look open in zone coverage but with 8 defenders, "open" tends to close real quick. I'm not saying there weren't times Evans was open, but he wasn't open constantly.

 

And let's talk a little game planning here from the so-called savior, Turk Schonert. The last 4 games he's faced the same defensive scheme. And what's been the solution? Where has the offense adjusted? Lining up your QB at WR and your RB at QB in the so-called "wildcat"? Really, that's the best he's got? That really perplexes the defense. I really bet the Browns thought Lynch or Jackson was going to pass from that formation right?

 

Draft time kids, draft time. This team has major holes. They need a center badly, an outside LB, a CB, a TE, and maybe most importantly, they need to cut Denney and Kelsay and start over at that position.

[WadeSux]

Edwards is so much better than tonight.

 

He really isn't. It took five games but we're seeing the real Trent Edwards right now. He's terrible.

[bluv]

Unfortunately, open on TV and open from the press box (Hamilton is a tool and has no clue, stick to hockey fat boy) dosn't mean open from the eyes of the guy standing behind the line. If you drop 8 into coverage and have 2 WRs and a TE (who sucks and no one is afraid of) that means no one is open. It's been four weeks in a row with the same defensive game plan. Drop 8 back to cover.

 

And why is it working? Simple: this team does not have a second WR that threatens anyone and I'll say it for what seems like the 15th year in a row, they lack a TE and need to draft one that can stretch defenses and keep them honest. Royal sucks, he should be cut now.

 

So, explain to me then what "open" means? Guys look open in zone coverage but with 8 defenders, "open" tends to close real quick. I'm not saying there weren't times Evans was open, but he wasn't open constantly.

 

And let's talk a little game planning here from the so-called savior, Turk Schonert. The last 4 games he's faced the same defensive scheme. And what's been the solution? Where has the offense adjusted? Lining up your QB at WR and your RB at QB in the so-called "wildcat"? Really, that's the best he's got? That really perplexes the defense. I really bet the Browns thought Lynch or Jackson was going to pass from that formation right?

 

Draft time kids, draft time. This team has major holes. They need a center badly, an outside LB, a CB, a TE, and maybe most importantly, they need to cut Denney and Kelsay and start over at that position.

 

STOP MAKING EXCUSES; especially for night! Trent sucked; BOTTOM LINE! That game we actually had a commentator Jaws and more camera views that showed the WHOLE field and you could see open WRs and Trent looking at them but holding the ball. Some who sit in the stands or watched these camera shots had complained the previous games about Hardy, Evan, etc being open and Trent just not finding them. I use to think it was just as simple as us having Lee and no one else (always felt that pass blocking more than not has been sound) but that is not the case. Royal has been getting open this year and besides a few drops and a fumble really hasn't played as bad as some think. I think we have a deep receiving corp; we just don't have a QB to consistently get them the ball. Maybe and hopefully Trent can develop but the targets are not the blame.

[freeagentqb]

He was shellshocked last night. The first interception was a lucky play by the defense and could have haoppened to any QB. The second interception looked like it was fairly accurate with a good play by the defense. The third pick was another good defensive play. After that Trent was scared to throw another and his confidence was shot. I could see it and feel it. He can bounce back from this....

[Beerball]

Edwards was afraid to throw the ball on a few occasions. But clevelands coverage was excellent

bs

[MRM33064]

ZONAB makes a very good point - "open" from the press box doesn't necessarily translate down to the field. Evans did appear open on the TV coverage feed a few times, but it's unclear to us whether the throwing lanes, etc. were available to take advantage of those situations. We can't see what Trent sees, which is what Jauron was trying to say post-game. (Did I just defend Jauron? Yikes.)

 

However, the basic point is that when the QB is delivering the ball - particularly against a "Tampa Two" or similar coverage - the receiver will rarely appear "open." In fact, if the receiver appears "open" when before the ball is delivered, there's a good chance that the throw will be late. The throw, as our beloved Pillsbury doughboy Jaworski accurately pointed out, must be delivered before the receiver breaks into the "open" area of the field. Thus, the QB must trust his arm, his instinct, and his receivers to be in the right place.

 

At this point, Trent is overthinking everything and trusting nothing, and against zone coverage that is a recipe for a disaster. No confidence + 7-8 men in coverage = trip to pick city.

[GhostsOfTheRockpile]

Evans was open all game. Stevie Johnson was open all game. So was Parrish. Just like EVERY OTHER game in this losing streak, there were plenty of plays to be made downfield, but the Bills got terrible quarterbacking.

 

Anyone at the game who had the full view of the field will tell you... guys - especially Lee - were wide open all game, Trent was terrified of throwing downfield and it cost the team another win.

 

Period. Quit making excuses for Trent, JP would have gotten KILLED for the same performance. Trent was disgustingly awful, and has been the primary reason for the 0-4 slump. Good quarterbacking and the Bills are 3-1 over that stretch, 2-2 at the least.

[GhostsOfTheRockpile]

Unfortunately, open on TV and open from the press box (Hamilton is a tool and has no clue, stick to hockey fat boy) dosn't mean open from the eyes of the guy standing behind the line. If you drop 8 into coverage and have 2 WRs and a TE (who sucks and no one is afraid of) that means no one is open. It's been four weeks in a row with the same defensive game plan. Drop 8 back to cover.

 

And why is it working? Simple: this team does not have a second WR that threatens anyone and I'll say it for what seems like the 15th year in a row, they lack a TE and need to draft one that can stretch defenses and keep them honest. Royal sucks, he should be cut now.

 

So, explain to me then what "open" means? Guys look open in zone coverage but with 8 defenders, "open" tends to close real quick. I'm not saying there weren't times Evans was open, but he wasn't open constantly.

 

And let's talk a little game planning here from the so-called savior, Turk Schonert. The last 4 games he's faced the same defensive scheme. And what's been the solution? Where has the offense adjusted? Lining up your QB at WR and your RB at QB in the so-called "wildcat"? Really, that's the best he's got? That really perplexes the defense. I really bet the Browns thought Lynch or Jackson was going to pass from that formation right?

 

Draft time kids, draft time. This team has major holes. They need a center badly, an outside LB, a CB, a TE, and maybe most importantly, they need to cut Denney and Kelsay and start over at that position.

 

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Guys were wide open all game. There were plenty of plays to be made. Just like every other game during the four game skid. Trent has been awful for a month now, and it has cost the team dearly.

 

Is he the primary reason for all four losses? By no means. But he's the common thread. He's been terrible for a month, been outplayed by guys like Matt Cassell and Brady Quinn, and has been the 2nd best QB on the field four games running which - not coincidentally - the Bills have lost.

[Buffal0 Bill5]

ZONAB makes a very good point - "open" from the press box doesn't necessarily translate down to the field. Evans did appear open on the TV coverage feed a few times, but it's unclear to us whether the throwing lanes, etc. were available to take advantage of those situations. We can't see what Trent sees, which is what Jauron was trying to say post-game. (Did I just defend Jauron? Yikes.)

 

However, the basic point is that when the QB is delivering the ball - particularly against a "Tampa Two" or similar coverage - the receiver will rarely appear "open." In fact, if the receiver appears "open" when before the ball is delivered, there's a good chance that the throw will be late. The throw, as our beloved Pillsbury doughboy Jaworski accurately pointed out, must be delivered before the receiver breaks into the "open" area of the field. Thus, the QB must trust his arm, his instinct, and his receivers to be in the right place.

 

At this point, Trent is overthinking everything and trusting nothing, and against zone coverage that is a recipe for a disaster. No confidence + 7-8 men in coverage = trip to pick city.

 

There were some key points in that game, when open meant wide open, and Trent was apparently the only person in the stadium that didn't see it. It wasn't a play after play thing with Evans just running around uncovered, but there were some opportunities that could have resulted in game changing plays with what would have been relatively easy throws to make that Edwards just plain missed. Either he stopped looking downfield altogether, or just didn't have the stones to pull the trigger, but from any seat in the house, he missed some opportunities with WIDE OPEN recievers.