SuperBills12 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Billy bob wants every advantage...maybe he broke the code and unlocked something...I can't imagine any Bills fan saying this is not a big deal...its a competitive advantage that should not exist....Now if the Bills did the same to the Pats then its fair game...but we didn't, we're honest Karma is a b!tch Patty's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Didn't we already know that they taped defensive signals?? Without a tape of the walkthrough, nothing else is going to happen. Goodell already punished them for taping defensive signals. Yes but those were only for signals in the last few games of 2006 and the jets game.... this is alot more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 This would probably be a good time to visit P*triot message boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 This would probably be a good time to visit P*triot message boards. Why? They are in denial and see the lack of a walk-thru tape as evidence that the Patriots are innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 even if the walkthrough tape existed, the nfl would never let it see the light of day. whether it be under the table cash to make it go away or something else. it would damage the league too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Every team in the NFL knew what the Bills were going to run, the fans knew what the Bills were going to run. Besides the Bills signal in their offensive plays via the headset. Amen to that. Stupid Killbride, most predictable OC ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 This would probably be a good time to visit P*triot message boards. They think Kraft will be able to sue everybody now, including the Herald and Spector for claiming they taped more than then claimed they did. It is really quite pathedic. Good times!! I think the second post on this page just about sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Why? They are in denial and see the lack of a walk-thru tape as evidence that the Patriots are innocent. Yup ... http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patrio...ead.php?t=82291 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Amen to that. Stupid Killbride, most predictable OC ever. way less predictable than Fairchild. I would call it much stupider though. I guess it was no accident that our first games against the Pats were close and our second invariably a blowout. Regardless of our lousy coaching, blowouts are rare. in some ways its comforting that during this span we weren't really good enough to get jobbed out of something we deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Only problem with all this is that, while reprehensible, Goodell did know the cheating went back to 2000 when he made his punishment decision, so I doubt anything new will come of this unless Walsh has additional new evidence here. If you'll recall, he only admitted this after Walsh spoke in early February. I suspect that what happened is Goodell's statement caught Walsh by surprise and thus here we are. Will be interesting to see if Walsh has anything else next week (or if he's been bought off after all, but we'll never know that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 They think Kraft will be able to sue everybody now, including the Herald and Spector for claiming they taped more than then claimed they did. It is really quite pathedic. Good times!!I think the second post on this page just about sums it up. I loved this one: Give it up, we were caught speeding and charged with vehicular homocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William O Darby Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 My six year old was reading a book about paul revere and the 1776 Patriots and asked me in a whisper if they were cheaters.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 My six year old was reading a book about paul revere and the 1776 Patriots and asked me in a whisper if they were cheaters.... LOL! Oh man. Well, that might be america for you. Cheat, claw, and swindle your way to the top. Doesn't matter what you have to do to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 If the shoe were on the other hand we'd be making the same posts but our team has class and honesty. 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I think it's just taping from the field. How are you going to stop someone from taping from a box? this is something I previously posted that explains the "rule" and the "memo".... The NFL press releases indicated that the rule stated "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game" and that all video shooting locations for club coaching purposes "must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." So the word is that Belicheat interpreted this as you could video tape in the category of for "club coaching purposes" in certain locations during the game and they could video tape in other places as long as it wasn't for use during the game. Then Ray Anderson (the NFL exec VP of Football Ops) sent a memo at the beginning of the 2007 season that, “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.” This could be interpreted as they can videotape another team's signals but they can't do it from these locations, or anywhere else that is "accessible during the game." Yeah, it makes zero sense that his guy could standing there taping Jet's defensive signals and not be in violation of the rule, but that's their story. My guess is that Goodell gave Belicheat a pass for violations prior to the beginning of last season and spanked him getting caught during the Jets game, which occurred after the memo came out clarifying the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I don't see any way they receive more punishment. If people think Goodell is going to take away more picks because there is video evidence dating back to '02, rest assured he will say that Belichick has already told him the cheating has been going on that long, he just never understood the rule. I would be absolutely shocked if anything else happens. I think Anthony Hargrove has a better chance of being our starting QB in '08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flpunter Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 According to the NYT the tapes turned over by Walsh were edited and had different camera angles. Could this be done in real time? Halftime? After the game? I am pretty confused now about what this whole Spygate was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaBill Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Well you know what they say.,.. its only cheating if you get caught! I think the punishment has been meted out, and we won't see a whole lot more on it as the NFL has switched to the Defensive Radio Helmut neutralizing this type of activity. There is probably more to this story than we'll ever really know.... missing tapes.... smells like watergate to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 If the shoe were on the other hand we'd be making the same posts but our team has class and honesty. 'Nuff said. If the Bills cheated, I'd stop being a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Kraft seems to have enough $ that for the most part almost any fine would seem to be an annoyance which the Pats fan base will simply bull through by whining. My sense is that a just punishment would include simply adding an asterisk in the NFL records for each of the Pats SB wins which will note that the Pats were fined each of these seasons for illegally taping the signals of the other team. Fining Kraft and the Pats is certainly fine by me, but the main thing I want is the dreaded asterisk besides their record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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