apuszczalowski Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 If the DE can also score a couple TD's in those games, sign him up, cause that is what the team needs not only to beat the Pats, but almost any other team in the league. Last year, without a bunch of starters, and before upgrading the DT position and LB position, the Bills defence held the opponents to keep the team in games, however the offence just could not get the job done. So far this offence is still the same, except for the guy in charge of it (which should help a bunch, but it also lost a few players from last year. They need to upgrade the offence if they want to win games, unless this DE can also make sure he can keep the opponents to scoring less then 10 points a game And as it was said before, We don't even know what we have at DE yet with the new DT's. Improving the DT to take pressure off the DE's can make a huge difference. The Bills already have 1 Pro Bowl DE, and 2 pretty good DE's. They weren't comically bad last year, just like the defence as a whole was bad (on the stat sheets it may have looked that way, but when you actually watched them, and saw how they kept the team in the game almost every week, they weren't that bad). DE is not a priority this season, getting weapons on offence to help take pressure off the defence is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 ... bullets won't stop him ..... Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 We also shouldn't overlook the addition of Mitchell, who was a very effective blitzer in his first year at ROLB last year....especially against Brady. Additionally, from the limited time we've had to see him, it also appears that Poz has very good timing and instincts to get to the QB. I remember one particular delayed blitz during the pre-season that was a thing of beauty. Absolutely textbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 YES a good Wide Receiver opposite Lee Evans will help us stop Tom Brady. Because we will more likely be able to convert more on 3rd down, keep the ball longer, and keep their offense off the field. It could mean two less posessions per game that Brady has the ball. That effectively... can slow down if not stop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 No. But a consistent pass rush will. And anyone who watched what the Giants did to Brady in the Super Bowl has to agree. Therefore, the Bills' first pick has to be Derrick Harvey! A very good WR will be available in the second round - maybe even Malcolm Kelly after his runs a sh------- 40 this week. Maybe Kelly or Thomas falls to us in the 2nd round like Kelsay did. My concern is whether or not the Bills and the offense they have can take advantage of a good WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 It seems like everone wants a big, physical WR in the draft so we can improve our red zone and 3rd down efficiency, as well as open things up for Lee to some degree. It has also been talked about how, generally speaking, WRs don't really contribute to a great degree until their second or third year. It seems like the qualities we are looking for in a WR could easily be found in a good TE prospect or a WR, depending on how you look at it. A TE can certainly help in the red zone and on 3rd downs and would be sent over the middle (or at least uup the seem) on a regular basis to take pressure off of Lee. Presumably it would also be a guy who could fight for tough balls and out-muscle DBs and out-run LBs. Given that there are more holes on this team than just the WR and TE positions, the fact that this is a deep WR class, and our offennsive needs (not necessarily our positional needs) why couldn't the Bills go with a strategy of targetting a TE with the 2nd rounder and just going with best player available in the first. They would still need a WR in the draft, but could wait on getting that WR until later on, since the chances are that the WR won't produce as quickly as the TE. In this way we get a nice option to take whoever we want in the 1st round (including a possible trade down) and still get to add the positions we need, while getting the most value out of our choices. with all of the talk about how long it takes WRs to develop and how there really aren't any sure-fire WRs in teh draft class, I just can't see the front office taking one with #11, in a year that is very important for everyone (not just the coaches), unless they are absolutely positive that that WR will be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 No. But a consistent pass rush will. And anyone who watched what the Giants did to Brady in the Super Bowl has to agree. Therefore, the Bills' first pick has to be Derrick Harvey! A very good WR will be available in the second round - maybe even Malcolm Kelly after his runs a sh------- 40 this week. Maybe Kelly or Thomas falls to us in the 2nd round like Kelsay did. No, we need someone to do a Theismann to Brady, that would stop him. Wilfork tried doing it to Losman, and he wasn't even suspended for it, just a small fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I'm not an Xs and Os guy, but it would seem to me that if Stroud can truly earn his paycheck, we'll see more production out of Schobel, Kelsay, etc, which in turn improves our pass-rushing ability. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 a GREAT way to stop Brady and guarantee he doesnt throw a touchdown is being able to keep our offense on the field. if you truly want to stop Brady/Moss, the most effective way is to not let them have the ball. (that being said, im all for drafting Harvey or a DL at 11. but your logic that drafting a WR wont help us against Brady is a bit flawed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 YES a good Wide Receiver opposite Lee Evans will help us stop Tom Brady. Because we will more likely be able to convert more on 3rd down, keep the ball longer, and keep their offense off the field. It could mean two less posessions per game that Brady has the ball. That effectively... can slow down if not stop him. also... what BEB said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Parcells plan in Superbowl 25 was to keep Kelly off the field. Would a receiver who can get open on third down and make a play help us defeat Brady's Pats? I guess yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 We could always draft Jay Leno, Tom Brady probably wouldn't even show up to the stadium if he knew Leno was going to be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 You cannot stop Brady, you can only hope to contain the damage he does. The best way to do that is keep him OFF THE FIELD. Sustain drives and come away from the red zone with 7, not 3 and you have a shot at winning every game. So yes, WR does help us stop Tom Brady. Does a DE improve our redzone production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 We could always draft Jay Leno, Tom Brady probably wouldn't even show up to the stadium if he knew Leno was going to be there We could tell the Pats* that the Pro Bowl is being played mid-season and in Buffalo. Half the team wouldn't show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Yeah tru but our pass rush is comically bad. We need to address it. I don't like the idea of investing too heavily in a new DE at this point when we don't yet know what our existing DEs can do with improved play in the middle. This includes contribution from a guy (Stroud) who will likely be double-teamed and take a lot of the focus off the edge. If we still suck in the middle after these changes, then we can get our hot shot DE next year. It's not like we've got Tweedledum and Tweedledee out there...these DEs are more than capable. Stop making sense!!! Those things just carom around some people's noggins and cause them to sit frozen with mouth open and drooling until they dismiss it as wrong because it's too hard to understand. Everybody seems to be totally forgetting about the signing of Spencer. I think he'll be a bigger force than people are giving him credit for. It's like to some people he was a completely inconsequential signing. ExpertOpinion also said that the Bills #1 priority should be a pass rusher. And these experts are? ... bullets won't stop him ..... Go Bills! They should have gotten a pregnant ex-girlfriend. That'd make him run in the opposite direction! We also shouldn't overlook the addition of Mitchell, who was a very effective blitzer in his first year at ROLB last year....especially against Brady. Additionally, from the limited time we've had to see him, it also appears that Poz has very good timing and instincts to get to the QB. I remember one particular delayed blitz during the pre-season that was a thing of beauty. Absolutely textbook. Didn't you see what I wrote above! Stop making sense!! YES a good Wide Receiver opposite Lee Evans will help us stop Tom Brady. Because we will more likely be able to convert more on 3rd down, keep the ball longer, and keep their offense off the field. It could mean two less posessions per game that Brady has the ball. That effectively... can slow down if not stop him. Don't forget about keeping the D fresher. It seems like everone wants a big, physical WR in the draft so we can improve our red zone and 3rd down efficiency, as well as open things up for Lee to some degree. It has also been talked about how, generally speaking, WRs don't really contribute to a great degree until their second or third year. It seems like the qualities we are looking for in a WR could easily be found in a good TE prospect or a WR, depending on how you look at it. A TE can certainly help in the red zone and on 3rd downs and would be sent over the middle (or at least uup the seem) on a regular basis to take pressure off of Lee. Presumably it would also be a guy who could fight for tough balls and out-muscle DBs and out-run LBs. Given that there are more holes on this team than just the WR and TE positions, the fact that this is a deep WR class, and our offennsive needs (not necessarily our positional needs) why couldn't the Bills go with a strategy of targetting a TE with the 2nd rounder and just going with best player available in the first. They would still need a WR in the draft, but could wait on getting that WR until later on, since the chances are that the WR won't produce as quickly as the TE. In this way we get a nice option to take whoever we want in the 1st round (including a possible trade down) and still get to add the positions we need, while getting the most value out of our choices. with all of the talk about how long it takes WRs to develop and how there really aren't any sure-fire WRs in teh draft class, I just can't see the front office taking one with #11, in a year that is very important for everyone (not just the coaches), unless they are absolutely positive that that WR will be great. I've seen more than one person make that argument about receivers taking a few years to develop. I don't get it. It's an argument for getting a WR this year. The more the Bills put it off the longer they'll be without a mature WR to compliment Evans. No, we need someone to do a Theismann to Brady, that would stop him. Wilfork tried doing it to Losman, and he wasn't even suspended for it, just a small fine. That's sick. I'd be very upset if one of the Bills didn't did do that on purpose! We could always draft Jay Leno, Tom Brady probably wouldn't even show up to the stadium if he knew Leno was going to be there I looked for the Family Guy clip on Youtube but couldn't find it. You cannot stop Brady, you can only hope to contain the damage he does. The best way to do that is keep him OFF THE FIELD. Sustain drives and come away from the red zone with 7, not 3 and you have a shot at winning every game. So yes, WR does help us stop Tom Brady. Does a DE improve our redzone production? Guys!! Guys!! Stop using logic you'll cause brain freeze!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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