dreadlox Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Plus, the irony of Willis complaining about Buffalo and getting traded to Green Bay would absolutely make me laugh my @ss off. He'd probably start a campaign to move them to milwaukee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 You guys are crazy, Mcgahee and going to tear up the field this year. Mark my words. OK, consider them marked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 1200 yards and how many games was he out with cracked ribs?? 4? And when he came back from the injury, Solomon Wilcots on the CBS game coverage said that Willis was still playing with some soreness as not all of the ribs had healed. Willis ran for under 1000 yards in '06. Missed 2 or 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Willis ran for under 1000 yards in '06. Missed 2 or 3 games. officially missed 3 games. but i assumed they were including his 150 receiving yards in that which would put him just shy of 1200... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I can see where this thread is going and its hilarious. It just goes to show you that Bills fans will NEVER BE HAPPY! As soon as McGahee is gone, we will probably acquire someone worse, and then they will get rampaged by the fans, and on and on. There were Bills fans who complained about Thurman Thomas when he was in his prime. Our offensive line sucks, so we give Losman a pass. Yet McGahee gets the axe. Hilarious. Losman produced a top 12 QB season. Willis produced a sub 4.0 YPC. As I stated before, once the o-line was moved around the entire offense picked up, except for one player. Willis McGahee. His production declined quite a bit. I posted the stats in another thread and I'll do it again you want me to. WM is not a dominant back and the o-line excuse is f'ing tired, especially when the passing game came to life. Everyone before was saying WM wasn't dominating because the Bills had no passing game, I say that it was amazing what JP and the offense accomplished with a sub par half back and little ability to run the football. I guess Willis is worth those 2 games per season where he runs like a top 10 back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Losman gets a pass because, as far as I can remember, he hasn't: Proclaimed himself the best player in the NFL, at his position. Even though Ray Charles could tell him otherwise. He hasn't produced offspring faster than Shawn Kemp on viagra. Hasn't told the world he'd be happier if the Bills were in Toronto. Hasn't asked for a contract extention based on his "piss-poor" production thusfar in the NFL. Gee, guess you're right.. how dare anyone get down on poor Willis.. someone take my "Get Willis the hell out of Buffalo" membership card. I guess I don't need it. OK. Just so I have this straight. You are saying that if an athlete says he is the best (and is not), have multiple children, and say a few dumb things, they surely should be cut. Does that about sum your opinion up? Heck, I think most of the NFL athletes should be thrown out, under your determination of a players worth. If McGahee were so good why would Jet fans have the same criticisms that many Bills fans have of the player? That being Willis has a poor YPC average and doesn't show up for teams not named the New York Jets. Maybe all this negativity towards him will make him want to give it his all in 2007, only time will tell. At least this season we'll ALL find out once and for all what kind of heart and skills this player has. If he's traded, I won't really care all that much because of how ineffective I saw him as our starting RB. I think Lynch, Hunt, Walker or Booker would be able to produce as good or better if one of them were drafted by the Bills. Please don't compare McGahee with Thomas. Thurman always gave 100%, which is something that everyone could see Willis didn't always give in 2006. We are actually taking the consideration of the NYJ fans as truth now? Earlier in the year we were critisizing their opinions. Oh how times change. Also, I take it you are personal friends of Thurman Thomas, and he clearly told you after each game that he assuredly gave his 100% ... right? Hopefully, we can run our second straight 1200-yard back out of town. WE HAVE THE BEST FANS IN THE LEAGUE!!! We don't sell out four games, we take Willis' "If the NFL plays a game in Toronto, it should be the Buffalo Bills" quote to Penthouse (!!!) magazine as proof that Willis wants the team to move. Hey, the Leafs sell out even when they're bad...Maybe Toronto would be a better option... Thats about right. Losman produced a top 12 QB season. Willis produced a sub 4.0 YPC. As I stated before, once the o-line was moved around the entire offense picked up, except for one player. Willis McGahee. His production declined quite a bit. I posted the stats in another thread and I'll do it again you want me to. WM is not a dominant back and the o-line excuse is f'ing tired, especially when the passing game came to life. Everyone before was saying WM wasn't dominating because the Bills had no passing game, I say that it was amazing what JP and the offense accomplished with a sub par half back and little ability to run the football. I guess Willis is worth those 2 games per season where he runs like a top 10 back. Do I really have to explain that just because one facet of offense does better due to a switch, does not necessarily mean that they ENTIRE offense will do better (including RB, Willis McGahee)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Do I really have to explain that just because one facet of offense does better due to a switch, does not necessarily mean that they ENTIRE offense will do better (including RB, Willis McGahee)? Jesus everything is a damn apology for Willis. At first, it was because JP couldn't throw the ball effectively and thus defenses were putting 8 in the box and thats really hard to run against. Then we make a line change and holy crap the offense starts opening up and putting up points, only Willis still puts up below average numbers, so obviously the line change only helped the passing game. My contention is this: if the lack of passing game and poor o-line play was the initial problem then it stands to reason that improved o-line play and a pretty good passing game should open up the field for the running game to do some real damage. However, in these two equations there is one constant and that is Willis putting up pedestrian numbers. At some point he has to take the blame for his lack of production. I'm not saying he doesn't run hard or care about the Bills, but I just don't think he is a good NFL RB. He isn't a home run threat, he has yet to average 4 ypc, he isn't a receiving threat, what does he bring to the table? Even if we had the worst o-line in football we'd see some flashes of brilliance and all i've seen is a whole lot of mediocrity unless its against the Jets. I think he lacks that one ability that makes some backs great and others just average and that is vision. On a great number of instances i saw willis hesitate instead of hitting a hole and I believe that is because if the hole is not in the exact spot it is supposed to be then Willis simply doesn't see it, and thus cannot improvise by cutting back and making a play. This debate is getting quite old, Willis puts up well below average numbers and somehow its everyone's fault, and people just don't see that maybe he's not as talented, maybe that's due to his injury when he was at the U, but whatever it is he's been all hype with little results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 My contention is this: if the lack of passing game and poor o-line play was the initial problem then it stands to reason that improved o-line play and a pretty good passing game should open up the field for the running game to do some real damage. However, in these two equations there is one constant and that is Willis putting up pedestrian numbers. At some point he has to take the blame for his lack of production. At this point I'm pretty neutral in the McGahee debate. He hasn't yet shown himself to be a consistent playmaker, yet some games he looks like he's back at the 'U. It isn't only the against the Jets, he had two touchdown runs in the Jaguars game that not too many backs would've had, including a 40+ yarder. But as I said, consistency has been a problem. I'm on the fence at this point, but am admittedly curious to see what he'd do behind a better interior offensive line. What I don't understand is why it isn't possible that when the O-line was reshuffled, their pass protection improved AND their run blocking suffered at the same time. Why can't those two performances be mutually exclusive? Why isn't it possible that an offensive line that included a right side with 1 year of NFL experience between 2 players combined couldn't have been better at dropping back and defending against an oncoming rusher than they were at aggressively attacking defenses and moving defenders off the line of scrimmage to open up holes? I'm not apologizing for Willis, but this is actually what I remember observing during the final stretch of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quester74 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 OK. Just so I have this straight. You are saying that if an athlete says he is the best (and is not), have multiple children, and say a few dumb things, they surely should be cut. Does that about sum your opinion up? Heck, I think most of the NFL athletes should be thrown out, under your determination of a players worth. No, that's just the reason that Losman gets a "free pass".. he's likable. Willis is not. I, for one, am proud to have Losman as my favorite team's starting quarterback.. I cannot say the same for McGahee. While, I would love to see the Bills be competitive, go to the playoffs, and even win a Superbowl.. I also need to be "proud" of my team.. to like the players wearing the uniforms. While players such as T.O., Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison or even Deion Sanders (in his prime) would make the Bills a better team.. I would never want them in a Bills uni, becuase I couldn't/can't stand those players.. even if it meant a gauraunteed SB win. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Willis is going to be just fine for this season, after which we let him go. He is not a premier back by any means, but I think he will be a producer with a little more help from the O-Line. Let him show what he can do this year, and unless we see something we haven't yet, I don't see the Bills going head to head with Rosenhaus to keep him. He is an average to possibly slightly above average back. Its up to him to prove he is anything better than that, and he ain't done that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 not bad. it only took 1 hour and 37 minutes into a sunday to have our first official willis bashing thread of the week. Someone set the bar pretty high for the forthcoming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetbaboo Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 he answered the question. now what? wrong person answered the question daquixers claimed that he remembers people complaining about thurman in his prime. I'm interested in knowing how old he was when thurman was in his prime. If he was 10 and under, he doesn't remember stevestojan. Just pulling more junk out of his ass...like those willis apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 wrong person answered the question daquixers claimed that he remembers people complaining about thurman in his prime. I'm interested in knowing how old he was when thurman was in his prime. If he was 10 and under, he doesn't remember stevestojan. Just pulling more junk out of his ass...like those willis apologies. and if he was much older? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Jesus everything is a damn apology for Willis. At first, it was because JP couldn't throw the ball effectively and thus defenses were putting 8 in the box and thats really hard to run against. Then we make a line change and holy crap the offense starts opening up and putting up points, only Willis still puts up below average numbers, so obviously the line change only helped the passing game. My contention is this: if the lack of passing game and poor o-line play was the initial problem then it stands to reason that improved o-line play and a pretty good passing game should open up the field for the running game to do some real damage. However, in these two equations there is one constant and that is Willis putting up pedestrian numbers. At some point he has to take the blame for his lack of production. I'm not saying he doesn't run hard or care about the Bills, but I just don't think he is a good NFL RB. He isn't a home run threat, he has yet to average 4 ypc, he isn't a receiving threat, what does he bring to the table? Even if we had the worst o-line in football we'd see some flashes of brilliance and all i've seen is a whole lot of mediocrity unless its against the Jets. I think he lacks that one ability that makes some backs great and others just average and that is vision. On a great number of instances i saw willis hesitate instead of hitting a hole and I believe that is because if the hole is not in the exact spot it is supposed to be then Willis simply doesn't see it, and thus cannot improvise by cutting back and making a play. This debate is getting quite old, Willis puts up well below average numbers and somehow its everyone's fault, and people just don't see that maybe he's not as talented, maybe that's due to his injury when he was at the U, but whatever it is he's been all hype with little results. I actually am not making any apologies for McGahee. I am simply not going to be the prototypical fan who wants to throwout every player they seem fit, for whatever reasons they see fit. No, that's just the reason that Losman gets a "free pass".. he's likable. Willis is not. I, for one, am proud to have Losman as my favorite team's starting quarterback.. I cannot say the same for McGahee. While, I would love to see the Bills be competitive, go to the playoffs, and even win a Superbowl.. I also need to be "proud" of my team.. to like the players wearing the uniforms. While players such as T.O., Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison or even Deion Sanders (in his prime) would make the Bills a better team.. I would never want them in a Bills uni, becuase I couldn't/can't stand those players.. even if it meant a gauraunteed SB win. Period. So I take it that you were utterly ashamed of Jim Kelly, once the stories were leaked that he was a "drunk" partyer during the Super Bowl years, including the nights before the Super Bowls? wrong person answered the question daquixers claimed that he remembers people complaining about thurman in his prime. I'm interested in knowing how old he was when thurman was in his prime. If he was 10 and under, he doesn't remember stevestojan. Just pulling more junk out of his ass...like those willis apologies. In fact I was young, yet I never claimed that I 'remembered' anything. I only said that people DID complain about Thurman Thomas. Now, how could someone who was young at the time know such a thing? Well maybe it has something to do with the fact that he grew up in a household infatuated with the Buffalo Bills and they remember (very clearly) people at the games, on the radio ... etc who did in fact complain about certain aspects of Thurman Thomas. Yet for some reason CollegeGuy had to assume, and when you ASS.U.ME ... well you get the picture. So what did we learn? 1. Read a persons full post instead of just responding. (I never said I "remembered" anything) 2. Don't assume. and if he was much older? If I was much older, my ability to research and see what people said at the time would be so much greater and therefore he would have no problem with my opinion. Its kinda funny isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 OK. Just so I have this straight. You are saying that if an athlete says he is the best (and is not), have multiple children, and say a few dumb things, they surely should be cut. Does that about sum your opinion up? Heck, I think most of the NFL athletes should be thrown out, under your determination of a players worth. No, that's just the reason that Losman gets a "free pass".. he's likable. Willis is not. I, for one, am proud to have Losman as my favorite team's starting quarterback.. I cannot say the same for McGahee. While, I would love to see the Bills be competitive, go to the playoffs, and even win a Superbowl.. I also need to be "proud" of my team.. to like the players wearing the uniforms. While players such as T.O., Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison or even Deion Sanders (in his prime) would make the Bills a better team.. I would never want them in a Bills uni, becuase I couldn't/can't stand those players.. even if it meant a gauraunteed SB win. Period. I think that the two can be mutually exclusive, but it stands to reason that Willis would have put up better numbers when JP and the offense became a legitimate passing threat as teams couldn't stack the box. All I was illustrating was that Willis gets all these excuses made for him when in reality he's never produced elite RB numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungee Jumper Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 HERE They say anything about Julius Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatPatPatSack Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 While, I would love to see the Bills be competitive, go to the playoffs, and even win a Superbowl.. I also need to be "proud" of my team.. to like the players wearing the uniforms. It's your opinion and you are welcomed to it. But maybe you ought to check out rootin for say, Air Force. Great uni's both on and off the field. And terriffic fella's. To me however, losing is like, really crummy. And ever since I was past the age of 7, I looked at football as a sport. It's played by men. Men who have all kinds of problems both on and off the field. I like personalities. I like rebels. I like taunting, and dancing in the end zone. I like real interviews, with nitwits who can't speak english. I like hearing about what goes on in the huddle and on the bottom of the pile. I like Conrad Dobler being called Mad Dog and head slapping Fred Smerlas. I like Jim Kelly puking 6 hours before the superbowl, and 3 hours before every game. I like white shoes. I like the sack dance. I like players jumping in the stands and throwing the football in the stands. I like the idiot running around on the roof of the Ralph. And tearing down the goal posts. I like the chicks that toss their tops on 20 degree days. I like playing King of the Hill outside the Ralph on game day all likker'd up. I like football. I like mud and I like beer. All three together is like heaven. And I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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