5 Wide Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I know they have to start somewhere, but it all deepends what else is being lined up, and if there are future plans to build up the skyline. They can always build onto this building at a future date while other towers are being built. Thats what is happening in Niagara Falls right now (i'm talking the Canadian side) The Fallsview Casino Hotel was built and other building around it added on. The problem with it being a building that people visit when they come to the city, like the sears tower, empire state building, Trade Centre, etc. is that it has to be unique and different compared to other cities. The Empire state building, Trade Centre Towers, and Sears Tower are/were some of the Largest Towers in North America, and the World, this is not going to compare to them. Sure some tourists will visit it, but its not unique enough to be an attraction that will draw people to the City. its a great thing for the City and I am not against the building, I'm just saying I see the womans points when she says it should be scaled down a bit (maybe not as much as she says though (+/- 50' instead of 100'?) I just don't see this happening anytime soon, and they will probably be breaking ground as soon as Bass Pro and the New Casino do. They're not talking about the building being a tourist attraction, they're talking about it being a city landmark, the flagship tower that is an icon of the cities rebirth with the technical and economic sectors. Buffalo is one of the most "wired" cities in America. It's also been voted the friendliest city as well as the third cleanest city. Now if a building like this goes up, and attracts a major tenet such as an investment firm or technical services company, there is a need. Skilled labor will get employed, and all those employees must be supported. Support services expand, and the support infrastructure expands. It's a domino effect. Now the company expands and needs more offices. More support, more skilled labor, more infrastructure. Other companies see what is happening and give consideration. Private developers look at the model set forth and see a chance for investment. Another "Buffalo City Tower" is erected a block away with an anchor tenet in pharmaceuticals. This process goes on and on. When you initiate investment, it has a ripple effect that creates a trickle down money flow. When it is managed correctly, it provides a model for others to follow. Before you know it, you are looking a cooridor of new buildings and the key to revitalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR4444 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 A plan to build a hotel in the Elmwood - Forest area of Buffalo was also killed not too long ago: “Susan Curran Hoyt claimed the hotel is still too large, and asked if the hotel size could be further reduced.” Does anyone see a pattern here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 They're not talking about the building being a tourist attraction, they're talking about it being a city landmark, the flagship tower that is an icon of the cities rebirth with the technical and economic sectors. Buffalo is one of the most "wired" cities in America. It's also been voted the friendliest city as well as the third cleanest city. Now if a building like this goes up, and attracts a major tenet such as an investment firm or technical services company, there is a need. Skilled labor will get employed, and all those employees must be supported. Support services expand, and the support infrastructure expands. It's a domino effect. Now the company expands and needs more offices. More support, more skilled labor, more infrastructure. Other companies see what is happening and give consideration. Private developers look at the model set forth and see a chance for investment. Another "Buffalo City Tower" is erected a block away with an anchor tenet in pharmaceuticals. This process goes on and on. When you initiate investment, it has a ripple effect that creates a trickle down money flow. When it is managed correctly, it provides a model for others to follow. Before you know it, you are looking a cooridor of new buildings and the key to revitalization. There's only one major problem i see with this plan. It sounds like a great way to re-vitalize the city, but if it goes through, what would the people of buffalo B word about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 There's only one major problem i see with this plan. It sounds like a great way to re-vitalize the city, but if it goes through, what would the people of buffalo B word about? We still have the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 There's only one major problem i see with this plan. It sounds like a great way to re-vitalize the city, but if it goes through, what would the people of buffalo B word about? That's like being worried about the sun coming up tomorrow. Buffalo has basically been given every geographical blessing imaginable over the past 300 years - the Great Lakes, the Erie Canal as a commercial hub, and Niagara Falls both as a tourist destination and the site of the first great power plant in the world in the 1890's -- and it's still a !@#$ing mess. They could discover a massive oil reserve in Cheektowaga and there'd be people fighting to not do anything with it because the investors "don't fit the area." Maybe drilling would destroy a historical landmark from the 1980s or something. There's nothing we can't screw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 It would only work if Buffalo had plans for more tall buildings in the future. Sez who? You?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 They're not talking about the building being a tourist attraction, they're talking about it being a city landmark, the flagship tower that is an icon of the cities rebirth with the technical and economic sectors. Buffalo is one of the most "wired" cities in America. It's also been voted the friendliest city as well as the third cleanest city. Now if a building like this goes up, and attracts a major tenet such as an investment firm or technical services company, there is a need. Skilled labor will get employed, and all those employees must be supported. Support services expand, and the support infrastructure expands. It's a domino effect. Now the company expands and needs more offices. More support, more skilled labor, more infrastructure. Other companies see what is happening and give consideration. Private developers look at the model set forth and see a chance for investment. Another "Buffalo City Tower" is erected a block away with an anchor tenet in pharmaceuticals. This process goes on and on. When you initiate investment, it has a ripple effect that creates a trickle down money flow. When it is managed correctly, it provides a model for others to follow. Before you know it, you are looking a cooridor of new buildings and the key to revitalization. Just like what the Casino was going to do or Bass Pro, right? I only used the tourist attraction part because people were comparing it to the Trade Centre, or Sears tower, which double as tourist attractions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 A plan to build a hotel in the Elmwood - Forest area of Buffalo was also killed not too long ago: “Susan Curran Hoyt claimed the hotel is still too large, and asked if the hotel size could be further reduced.” Does anyone see a pattern here? That is a woman after VABills' own heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Sez who? You?! Try being less narcissistic. How does that make me narcissistic? All I am saying is that Asstetically it would not look right without more taller buildings around it. All I am saying is that I can see what his woman means that it might be better if it was a little shorter, You'd think I said I had 3 kids out of wedlock and that the Bills should move to Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 How does that make me narcissistic? All I am saying is that Asstetically it would not look right without more taller buildings around it. All I am saying is that I can see what his woman means that it might be better if it was a little shorter, You'd think I said I had 3 kids out of wedlock and that the Bills should move to Buffalo You keep referring to NF Ontario. You do know that the Indians built this really tall hotel at their casino over here right? Yes it sticks out. So what? I dont believe there will ever be any growth around it either. Certainly not more taller buildings. A lot of towns have limits on how high a business can make their sign. That should not be applied to building new buildings and infrasture in dying towns. And as others have mentioned, this building looks cool. Imagine people connecting the word COOL with Buffalo in a modern architectural kind of way. You cant say it doesn't look great and moreso with the Fed Courthouse in front of it should they ever get around to building that. Which also looks great. And with the two of these buildings going up doesn't that kind of equate to what you want to see happening anyway? Growth on top of growth? Lastly and importantly, If you had three kids out of wedlock and suggested the Bills move to Buffalo you would rightfully be disowned. Where would we tailgate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 A plan to build a hotel in the Elmwood - Forest area of Buffalo was also killed not too long ago: “Susan Curran Hoyt claimed the hotel is still too large, and asked if the hotel size could be further reduced.” Does anyone see a pattern here? I do, she is the Lorena Bobbit of the architechtural world. Glad I'm not her husband.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 That's like being worried about the sun coming up tomorrow. Buffalo has basically been given every geographical blessing imaginable over the past 300 years - the Great Lakes, the Erie Canal as a commercial hub, and Niagara Falls both as a tourist destination and the site of the first great power plant in the world in the 1890's -- and it's still a !@#$ing mess. They could discover a massive oil reserve in Cheektowaga and there'd be people fighting to not do anything with it because the investors "don't fit the area." Maybe drilling would destroy a historical landmark from the 1980s or something. There's nothing we can't screw up. too many buffalonians are worried that the people being employed wont or arent "buffalo guys". if they have skill, or want to actually be here, doesnt matter. people want them run them out of town for not being "buffalo people" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 That's like being worried about the sun coming up tomorrow. Buffalo has basically been given every geographical blessing imaginable over the past 300 years - the Great Lakes, the Erie Canal as a commercial hub, and Niagara Falls both as a tourist destination and the site of the first great power plant in the world in the 1890's -- and it's still a !@#$ing mess. They could discover a massive oil reserve in Cheektowaga and there'd be people fighting to not do anything with it because the investors "don't fit the area." Maybe drilling would destroy a historical landmark from the 1980s or something. There's nothing we can't screw up. The Erie Canal was a geographic feature? And how many ships do you see on the Great Lakes today? No doubt the local government screwed up some opportunities, but the age where the canal and lakes would keep us on the commercial network of the nation are long gone. I agree about Niagara Falls, though, and you can blame the corrupt unions in large measure for that. Thank God the feds came and helped out with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 too many buffalonians are worried that the people being employed wont or arent "buffalo guys". if they have skill, or want to actually be here, doesnt matter. people want them run them out of town for not being "buffalo people" Dude, just shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Dude, just shut up i didnt know they allowed you out. i thought your leash of stupidity kept you confined to PPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Here are two links with images of the tower: Buffalo Rising 1 Buffalo Rising 2 One more. After checking out those links, all I can say is: Wow. Welcome to the 21st Century, Buffalo. (Now, if y'all can just drag more people out of the 19th...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetbaboo Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 A plan to build a hotel in the Elmwood - Forest area of Buffalo was also killed not too long ago: “Susan Curran Hoyt claimed the hotel is still too large, and asked if the hotel size could be further reduced.” Does anyone see a pattern here? her husband is very small down there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Just like what the Casino was going to do or Bass Pro, right? I only used the tourist attraction part because people were comparing it to the Trade Centre, or Sears tower, which double as tourist attractions. The Casino is a self serving entity and Bass Pro is a major retail outlet, good for small development. Constructing a 600 foot tall office complex that attracts multinational corporations is a different ball of wax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 The Erie Canal was a geographic feature? And how many ships do you see on the Great Lakes today? No doubt the local government screwed up some opportunities, but the age where the canal and lakes would keep us on the commercial network of the nation are long gone. I agree about Niagara Falls, though, and you can blame the corrupt unions in large measure for that. Thank God the feds came and helped out with that Well without the Great Lakes and Erie Canal, Buffalo wouldn't have existed in the first place. Yes, the Erie Canal is a geographical feature, just because it is man made has nothing to do with that. The point isn't that the region needs to hang it's hat on the Great Lakes and Canal for survival, that point isn't being made. It's that those are beneficial features the area has to boast in addition to commercial development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeseburger in Paradise Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 That's like being worried about the sun coming up tomorrow. Buffalo has basically been given every geographical blessing imaginable over the past 300 years - the Great Lakes, the Erie Canal as a commercial hub, and Niagara Falls both as a tourist destination and the site of the first great power plant in the world in the 1890's -- and it's still a !@#$ing mess. They could discover a massive oil reserve in Cheektowaga and there'd be people fighting to not do anything with it because the investors "don't fit the area." Maybe drilling would destroy a historical landmark from the 1980s or something. There's nothing we can't screw up. Your points are well taken, but would benefit from historical perspective. After the completion of the Erie Canal and the subsequent development of hydrpower in Niagara Falls, Buiffalo was among the ten largest cities in the United States. Certainly it falied to maintain that status, and by the 1960's had dropped considerably in stature. Many of the things that led to the city's downfall had little to do with the benefits of it geographic location. Unfavorableworkmens compensation laws, local high wages for manufacturing employees, a manufacturing infrastructure that had had little capital investment since the 1940's, and significant improvments in transportation and power infrastructure that opened the west and south for lower cost manufacturing activity all contributed to Buffalos ongoing demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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