Mikie2times Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 A recent post got me thinking about JP. How rare is it to have a guy with his athletic ability, who can also be a pocket passer. Few QB’s in NFL history come to mind. After these last two weeks one guy I started thinking about was John Elway. I wouldn’t categorize Elway as a pocket QB, but he could be a threat from the pocket like JP can. He was also about the same speed as JP coming out of Stanford. I did some research and compared Elway's first 25 starts with JP’s first 19 starts. I averaged it out so we could have comparable numbers to work with. They look nearly identical. Elway took a long time to develop, but I don't think Denver regrets sticking with him. JP-------------------Elway 27.26 ATT--------25.56 ATT 16.68 COM-------13.48 COM 57.5%--------------52.7% 176 Yards---------170 Yards .95 TD--------------1 TD .84 INT-------------1.2 INT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffan00 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 So, does this mean we wont be drafting Quinn?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 If he becomes even 2/3 of what Elway was he'll be a solid QB in this league for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic Guilt Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Ah yes - this is the same discussion I've had with Holcomb's "Missing" Arm and JDG. Funny how we forget it takes TIME to adjust to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadeb_21 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 A recent post got me thinking about JP. How rare is it to have a guy with his athletic ability, who can also be a pocket passer. Few QB’s in NFL history come to mind. After these last two weeks one guy I started thinking about was John Elway. I wouldn’t categorize Elway as a pocket QB, but he could be a threat from the pocket like JP can. He was also about the same speed as JP coming out of Stanford. Simliar arm strength and work ethic. I did some research and compared Elway's first 25 starts with JP’s first 19 starts. I averaged it out so we could have comparable numbers to work with. They look nearly identical. Elway took a long time to develop, but I don't think Denver regrets sticking with him. JP-------------------Elway 27.26 ATT--------25.56 ATT 16.68 COM-------13.48 COM 57.5%--------------52.7% 176 Yards---------170 Yards .95 TD--------------1 TD .84 INT-------------1.2 INT 851715[/snapback] God I hope your right. Elway was one hell of a QB and like someon else said if he does have some of the same abilities of him then he definately is a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Ah yes - this is the same discussion I've had with Holcomb's "Missing" Arm and JDG. Funny how we forget it takes TIME to adjust to the NFL. 851726[/snapback] I guarantee his detractors will completely reroute this thread to arguing against JP becoming Elway. Not the most difficult thing to do considering Elway is one of the best of all time. The point is here are two guys, nearly the same size, same talent, similar personalities, developing at the same rate. We should not be concerned in anyway with the progress on one John Paul Josman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Michael, setting the bar that high by comparing Losman with one of the 2-3 best QB's I've ever seen is not going to do him any good at all. Can you go with somebody a little more mundane for the time being?-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 FLUTIE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 FLUTIE! 851740[/snapback] If your being serious Flutie was incapable of being a pocket passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 After these last two weeks one guy I started thinking about was John Elway. 851715[/snapback] I don't get to see the games. Is JP getting away with stepping over the LOS and launching a pass like Elway often did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Michael, setting the bar that high by comparing Losman with one of the 2-3 best QB's I've ever seen is not going to do him any good at all.Can you go with somebody a little more mundane for the time being?-) 851738[/snapback] Gary Marangi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 I don't get to see the games. Is JP getting away with stepping over the LOS and launching a pass like Elway often did? 851750[/snapback] He nearly did it on the game winning pass to Roscoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 JP: 6'2", 217 Dennis Shaw: 6'3", 217 Both born in in the month of March... Shaw was rookie of the year... Got that over JP... How is that for "qwinky dinks"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Michael, setting the bar that high by comparing Losman with one of the 2-3 best QB's I've ever seen is not going to do him any good at all.Can you go with somebody a little more mundane for the time being?-) 851738[/snapback] Elway completed over 60% of his passes in only 3 of his 16 seasons. The first TEN YEARS of his career, he threw 158 TDs and 157 interceptions. The last six years he had 132 TDs and 69 INTs. Elway was one of the 2 or 3 best QBs I've ever seen, but only if we're talking about when the game is on the line. One of the reasons he had so many great comebacks is he tended to suck much of the first 3 quarters of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Elway completed over 60% of his passes in only 3 of his 16 seasons. The first TEN YEARS of his career, he threw 158 TDs and 157 interceptions. The last six years he had 132 TDs and 69 INTs. Elway was one of the 2 or 3 best QBs I've ever seen, but only if we're talking about when the game is on the line. One of the reasons he had so many great comebacks is he tended to suck much of the first 3 quarters of games. 851765[/snapback] Facts suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Facts suck. 851770[/snapback] What "facts" might those be? By all means find my a guy that compares more to JP, not just stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 In Elway's defense, he never really had great "skill position" players around him. And his defenses were never that great either, until he SB years, despite having guys like Atwater and Simon Fletcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis990 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 So, does this mean we wont be drafting Quinn?? 851721[/snapback] Hopefully Marv has some sense and we draft Quinn if he is available. JP is not a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Another set of stats for you all: Games: 27 Attempts: 570 Completions: 304 Percentage: 53.3 TDs: 21 Ints: 21 Guess who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Hopefully Marv has some sense and we draft Quinn if he is available. JP is not a good QB. Quinn is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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