DeLuca1967 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 "The Bills will be a better team by the coaching/GM changes alone" ? With all the great FA talent 'Super GM' Marv Levy brought in. Let's take a look. W/L PF PA 2005 4-5 142 162 2006 3-6 140 180 With M&M and TD gone how can things be worse? We now have Melvin Fowler, Peerless Price and Larry Tripplett? Is there any FA that Marv signed you would care about if they were cut today? Maybe A-Train? TD tried to sign A-Train the previous year. But A-Train went to Dallas because he thought he would get more reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 You forgot "Fowler/Reyes can't possibly not be upgrades". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I don't WANT to remember who we played in the first nine games last year, but we've had some pretty tough opponents this season. Pats twice, Colts, Bears...a newly inspired Jets team....that's pretty tough for a team that had this much turnover. Record aside, no way would I trade this team for that crap fest we had last year. I'm a little disappointed that we're not moving the ball better, but I like the direction we're goign in. I fully support building a dominant defense as the strength of the team. I was very surprised that our D did as well as they did in the Colts game, and I think they're only goign to get better. Ko Simpson is starting to make more plays, Crowell and Fletch are playing well, Ellison is a nice surprise, Whitner is having a solid rookie season, Youboty is about to get some playing time, etc, etc, etc. I think next year our defense will be one of the youngest AND one of the best in the NFL. But last season was so horrendous that I exiled myself to the "off the wall" forum for several months after it was over.....that was unbearable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 "The Bills will be a better team by the coaching/GM changes alone" ? With all the great FA talent 'Super GM' Marv Levy brought in. Let's take a look. W/L PF PA 2005 4-5 142 162 2006 3-6 140 180 With M&M and TD gone how can things be worse? We now have Melvin Fowler, Peerless Price and Larry Tripplett? Is there any FA that Marv signed you would care about if they were cut today? Maybe A-Train? TD tried to sign A-Train the previous year. But A-Train went to Dallas because he thought he would get more reps. 840389[/snapback] So what's your point? You'd have been satisfied with no changes in the front office? You loved Mularkey's play calling and the command he had of the team? You think we were on the short track to the SB and suddenly it got derailed by GM Marv? You're surprised that the team was in such bad shape player wise that you were expecting Marv to create Rome in a day? No. Tell me you're pissed that Lindell missed that field goal and want his ass fried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Yes, free agent acquisitions generally have not worked out well. I still don't understand why the Bills paid Price such a large signing bonus (or why they signed him). I like our draft choices and many are getting valuable playing time. I also think that Levy and Jauron have been a breath of fresh air compared to the TD regime. I do think that Marv needs to take a hard look at the Bills' free agent talent evaluators. I believe they are the same people that TD hired, and they have made poor recommendations over a number of years. It is time to get some new people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Maybe those are the best FA's the Bills could get? I mean when Ryan Pickett bypasses you for Green Bay, who most had left for dead in the off-season, you KNOW you're not the top place for FA's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 only a matter of time before someone says that you have to give a new regime time to get their players in and that you cant judge them on their first year the majority of Bills fans have become apologists and their blind loyalty has made it acceptable to watch an inferior product lose the majority of the time supporting this and any other team is one thing, accepting losing year after year is just pathetic...this team needs a change from the top on down and that wont happen until the Bills have new ownership, hard to say but its the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 So what's your point? You'd have been satisfied with no changes in the front office?You loved Mularkey's play calling and the command he had of the team? You think we were on the short track to the SB and suddenly it got derailed by GM Marv? You're surprised that the team was in such bad shape player wise that you were expecting Marv to create Rome in a day? No. Tell me you're pissed that Lindell missed that field goal and want his ass fried. 840401[/snapback] his point was that this years Bills are no better then last years even though most people thought they would be simply because of the change of GM and coach...dont know what was so hard about that to figure out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 The big thing is that they didn't break the bank to sign any of these guys. How about the 49ers signing Jonas Jennings to his big contract? How'd that work out for them? How about Damian Woody for the Lions--oh they paid him a lot to sit the bench. And how about Hutchinson? Saddling your team with years of high bonuses hurts a heck of a lot more than having the guys we signed. They've done as much for the team--even more than those guys. Tell me what free agent out there you absolutely needed to have this offseason? T Owens? I'll take A Train and J Reed coming back, Tripplett and Royal over those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 his point was that this years Bills are no better then last years even though most people thought they would be simply because of the change of GM and coach...dont know what was so hard about that to figure out 840418[/snapback] Oh really? Most people had us pegged to win 3-4 games this year, only us optimists thought we could win more than 6 games.Go back and read the threads.This team is be better than last years, even if they do not win another game. They at least have leadership & direction now, along with many young players who will only get better with experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 "The Bills will be a better team by the coaching/GM changes alone" ? They are. Why would you even consider making that comparison right now? Would it not be more fair to make the comparison at the end of the season when all of the ballots are in? And... what if the Bills score less points and allow more points than last year and end up winning 7 games? or The Bills end up scoring more points and allowing less than last year's team, but winning 5 games? What exactly is your criteria for "BETTER"? Do you mean Better right away? Better in a couple of years? And, If this regime coached last year's team, how would they stack up? Defensively, this team sent 3 starters with an average age of 34 to the curb, and replaced them with three starters with an average age of 22.5 yrs.... and right up the middle of the defense... and statistically, they're slightly better than last year's team. Offensively, they are about the same as last year... almost dead last. So, slightly better on D and about the same as last year on O = slightly better overall. And, after an 8 for 8 draft and 6 of them having started games, that seems to me to be an outstanding job. Last year's draft was probably the best in Bills history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 "The Bills will be a better team by the coaching/GM changes alone" ? With all the great FA talent 'Super GM' Marv Levy brought in. Let's take a look. W/L PF PA 2005 4-5 142 162 2006 3-6 140 180 With M&M and TD gone how can things be worse? We now have Melvin Fowler, Peerless Price and Larry Tripplett? Is there any FA that Marv signed you would care about if they were cut today? Maybe A-Train? TD tried to sign A-Train the previous year. But A-Train went to Dallas because he thought he would get more reps. 840389[/snapback] Well you're missing a huge difference. The Bills were that bad in '05 after TD was at the helm for 5 years. He took over a bad team and left a bad team. He had 5 drafts, 5 years of free agency and 80 games to make improvement. He didn't. That's why he's gone. So for Marv has taken over a bad team and managed 1 draft and 1 free agent period. He's 9 games into his GM career. A little soon to judge or make the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Brady Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 At the risk of being called an apologist excepting losing idiot. With 22 new players and a totally new staff ,a coach that doesn't bullchit the fans with regards to who is starting and who is injured. A defense that is playing well with a bunch of rookies, Hell yes this team is doing better for the future. But the real BIG difference is ....................... WHERE'S THE MUNITY That we witnessed last year lead by none other than EMOULDS! And Sammy boy Adams, by the way I see he's doing a real bang up job down their in Cincinnatti, boy their really doing better than us in the win column!! The fact of the matter is Meathead lost his team........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyBillsFan Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I know Marv used that word... ah... damn it... What is it.... Something this team has been doing for 12 years... Oh yea "rebuilding" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Where are all the posters that said...."The Bills will be a better team by the coaching/GM changes alone" ? 840389[/snapback] Extended business trips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95altima12 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 "The Bills will be a better team by the coaching/GM changes alone" ? With all the great FA talent 'Super GM' Marv Levy brought in. Let's take a look. W/L PF PA 2005 4-5 142 162 2006 3-6 140 180 With M&M and TD gone how can things be worse? We now have Melvin Fowler, Peerless Price and Larry Tripplett? Is there any FA that Marv signed you would care about if they were cut today? Maybe A-Train? TD tried to sign A-Train the previous year. But A-Train went to Dallas because he thought he would get more reps. 840389[/snapback] well if we end up not as good as last year... 5 11 0 .312 271 367 I will agree with you. But i have a good feeling that we will win more than 2 more games i mean damn we all most beat IND. I am dissapointed in 2 games this year the CHI and the second NE game they should have had a chance in thoes games. But with turnovers and whatnot they didn't have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhg Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 The Bills will $33M under the cap next year. Let's evaluate next year about Marv/Jauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 "The Bills will be a better team by the coaching/GM changes alone" ? With all the great FA talent 'Super GM' Marv Levy brought in. Let's take a look. W/L PF PA 2005 4-5 142 162 2006 3-6 140 180 With M&M and TD gone how can things be worse? We now have Melvin Fowler, Peerless Price and Larry Tripplett? Is there any FA that Marv signed you would care about if they were cut today? Maybe A-Train? TD tried to sign A-Train the previous year. But A-Train went to Dallas because he thought he would get more reps. 840389[/snapback] His name's DeLuca1967, he's in my class, I think he's retarded or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 At the risk of being called an apologist excepting losing idiot. With 22 new players and a totally new staff ,a coach that doesn't bullchit the fans with regards to who is starting and who is injured. A defense that is playing well with a bunch of rookies, Hell yes this team is doing better for the future. But the real BIG difference is .......................WHERE'S THE MUNITY That we witnessed last year lead by none other than EMOULDS! And Sammy boy Adams, by the way I see he's doing a real bang up job down their in Cincinnatti, boy their really doing better than us in the win column!! The fact of the matter is Meathead lost his team........ 840492[/snapback] And not to mention what they did to Ruben Brown. Those assh0les turned found a way to get the fan base against him. Pathetic machinations by the man behind the curtain. I'll never respect TD's body of work here. He whiffed more than he hit. Marv's already chopped about 50% of the players he inherited from that guru of talent. Look for about 30% more to go by next spring, 'cause they're playing themselves out of a job and in some cases out of the league right here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLuca1967 Posted November 18, 2006 Author Share Posted November 18, 2006 Oh really? Most people had us pegged to win 3-4 games this year, only us optimists thought we could win more than 6 games.Go back and read the threads.This team is be better than last years, even if they do not win another game. They at least have leadership & direction now, along with many young players who will only get better with experience. 840429[/snapback] Where? I see this posted all the time. Where are they better? Where is the "leadership & direction"? I don't base this on record. I see the same mistakes and and same dumb penalties as last season. I see coaching decisions that remind me a lot of last season. Yes. It is year one. But shouldn't there be some improvment some where? Any where? Levy spent money this offseason and he drafted pretty high. What has come from it. Whitner? Shouldn't a "rebuilding" team come away from an offseason with more then one player of note. Again I ask. Where are they better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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