Chilly Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Right now it does, obviously, look like Hillary is going to win the nomination. All of the poll numbers show that this is the case, and she has some pretty decent support in the party. There is a way, though, for her to lose, and it has to come within the next couple months. The earlier that candidates throw their name into the ring, the better the chance that they have against Hillary. The parallel here is the 2000 Republican primary. Bush announced on March 2, 1999 that he is forming an exploratory committee to run for the Presidency. Soon after, Bush announced that he officially was going to run for the Presidency. McCain noted via fax that he was going to run for the Presidency, but delayed his official declaration until September 27, 1999. This gave a HUGE advantage for Bush. On June 30, 1999 Bush announced that he raised $37 million dollars. Compare this to McCain at $6.3 million and Elizabeth Dole at $3.5 million. This created both media attention for the Bush campaign, as well as made believers in his own party. Bush was able, then, to snatch up all of the best Republican campaign talent in the US. Because of this, his strength continued in victories in the 2000 primaries. The same thing could very well happen with Barack Obama. If he does announce soon that he is running for the Presidency, he could jump out to a huge fund-raising lead over John McCain, as well as grab up the best Democratic campaign talent. This would be enormous. In theory, so could Vilsack and the other possible Democratic candidates. I do not, however, have as much faith in their popularity and fund-raising skills that would be needed to convince Democratic talent to jump on board with him over Hillary or Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 At least she's got a high IQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 At least she's got a high IQ. 831135[/snapback] No, she just got lucky on the IQ test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 There is always an outsider. My surprise candidate: Phil Bredesen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Balls Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Hillary is waaaaaaay too divisive a figure to ever be considered for the Presidency. Just the mention of her name illicits strong, and usually negative, responses from the wing nuts. In addition not many know that she is really disliked by the hardcore Left in this state, not only for her pro Iraq war vote but for her ability to use and abuse issues cosmetically for her political gain. Look for a Howard Dean type collapse in '08 from her. Obama would be a natural save for one fact....he's a negro. Very articulate, somewhat moderate and a dazzling smile don't make up for the fact that there still exists states like Tennessee and other spots of unenlightenment that wouldn't vote for him even if he were running against the Mighty Macaca. I like Feingold and would vote for him in a primary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungee Jumper Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Hillary is waaaaaaay too divisive a figure to ever be considered for the Presidency. Just the mention of her name illicits strong, and usually negative, responses from the wing nuts. In addition not many know that she is really disliked by the hardcore Left in this state, not only for her pro Iraq war vote but for her ability to use and abuse issues cosmetically for her political gain. Look for a Howard Dean type collapse in '08 from her.Obama would be a natural save for one fact....he's a negro. Very articulate, somewhat moderate and a dazzling smile don't make up for the fact that there still exists states like Tennessee and other spots of unenlightenment that wouldn't vote for him even if he were running against the Mighty Macaca. I like Feingold and would vote for him in a primary. 831159[/snapback] Anyone who considers Hilary Clinton or either or the remaining Bush brothers a viable candidate for 2008 should immediately be shot. We've had no one but Bushes and Clintons in the White House for 20 years. Those two families should be barred from any further elections, on the simple principle that we aren't a !@#$ing monarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Obama would be a natural save for one fact....he's a negro. Very articulate, somewhat moderate and a dazzling smile don't make up for the fact that there still exists states like Tennessee and other spots of unenlightenment that wouldn't vote for him even if he were running against the Mighty Macaca. 831159[/snapback] Negro? What year is it where you live? I don't see why a black person couldn't win POTUS. The whole country was hot and bothered for Colin Powell a few years ago. And how many voters would really say "Well I mostly agree with Candidate A but he's black so I'm pulling the lever for Candidate B." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Anyone who considers Hilary Clinton or either or the remaining Bush brothers a viable candidate for 2008 should immediately be shot. We've had no one but Bushes and Clintons in the White House for 20 years. Those two families should be barred from any further elections, on the simple principle that we aren't a !@#$ing monarchy. 831224[/snapback] No arguement here. I am just hoping to find someone decent to vote for. I know, I know that's crazy talk, but it's true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungee Jumper Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 No arguement here. I am just hoping to find someone decent to vote for. I know, I know that's crazy talk, but it's true! 831232[/snapback] Just so it's not Clinton vs. Bush. Clinton vs. X, X vs. Bush, I'll vote for X, no question. Clinton vs. Bush...I'm declaring open, armed revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Just so it's not Clinton vs. Bush. Clinton vs. X, X vs. Bush, I'll vote for X, no question. Clinton vs. Bush...I'm declaring open, armed revolution. 831237[/snapback] Definitely no disagreement there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Just so it's not Clinton vs. Bush. Clinton vs. X, X vs. Bush, I'll vote for X, no question. Clinton vs. Bush...I'm declaring open, armed revolution. 831237[/snapback] Sedition has its own appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Sedition has its own appeal. 831249[/snapback] Yeah, but it's not as fullfilling as violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Yeah, but it's not as fullfilling as violence 831251[/snapback] Hey, if you want some insurrection you need a little foreplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthebuilder Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Negro? What year is it where you live? I don't see why a black person couldn't win POTUS. The whole country was hot and bothered for Colin Powell a few years ago. And how many voters would really say "Well I mostly agree with Candidate A but he's black so I'm pulling the lever for Candidate B." 831230[/snapback] Clearly, you are in denial. Deep racism still exists in the South, and YES, people will vote that way because of it. Its saddening to think about, but its true. I think Barack Obama would make a great presidential candidate, and I am hoping he decides to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 I think Barack Obama would make a great presidential candidate, and I am hoping he decides to run. 831262[/snapback] Ditto. I think he's got some good ideas to introduce in the primary. Just think it'll still be too soon for him to get the nod. And the Dems need to stop running senators. Could definitely see him as a VP choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Ditto. I think he's got some good ideas to introduce in the primary. Just think it'll still be too soon for him to get the nod. And the Dems need to stop running senators. Could definitely see him as a VP choice. 831268[/snapback] Yeah. Obama vs. George Allen...oh, wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 And how many voters would really say "Well I mostly agree with Candidate A but he's black so I'm pulling the lever for Candidate B." 831230[/snapback] You'd be surprised. Look at some of the bashers we have on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 You'd be surprised. Look at some of the bashers we have on here. 831443[/snapback] Any mirrors in your world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Hillary is waaaaaaay too divisive a figure to ever be considered for the Presidency. Just the mention of her name illicits strong, and usually negative, responses from the wing nuts. In addition not many know that she is really disliked by the hardcore Left in this state, not only for her pro Iraq war vote but for her ability to use and abuse issues cosmetically for her political gain. Look for a Howard Dean type collapse in '08 from her.Obama would be a natural save for one fact....he's a negro. Very articulate, somewhat moderate and a dazzling smile don't make up for the fact that there still exists states like Tennessee and other spots of unenlightenment that wouldn't vote for him even if he were running against the Mighty Macaca. I like Feingold and would vote for him in a primary. 831159[/snapback] I can already hear the outcry the first time somebody questions Obama. Everyone who opposes him will be labled a racist. The only thing I ever hear about him is that he speaks well and has a good personality. Has he done anything of substance in his political career? I'm not putting him down, I really don't know much about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 I can already hear the outcry the first time somebody questions Obama. Everyone who opposes him will be labled a racist. The only thing I ever hear about him is that he speaks well and has a good personality. Has he done anything of substance in his political career? I'm not putting him down, I really don't know much about him. 831577[/snapback] They sent him everywhere during the campaigns, and more people came out to see him than the candidates he was stumping for. His charisma and cult of personality are through the roof, and to tell you the truth, the fact that he doesn't have a long political rap sheet is a bonus, rather than a detriment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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