Biggest reason I hope Bills sign Pickett

[BuffaloBob]

exactly.

 

next question: why would we ever want to waste another high draft pick on a guy from Texas when every one of these can't-miss Texas 1st rounders flop?

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EVERY can't miss Longhorn has flopped?

 

Apparently you are easily persuaded by bullschite media hype!

 

Please recount for me all of the Longhorn first round picks that have flopped. I know of two: Ricky and Big Mike. But before you do, don't just simply recount what some media hack has convinced you of. Do your homework!

[Rico]

Someone fix this broken record.  Please.

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[BuffaloBob]

You must be skeptical at least about a Longhorn. I've read reports about how that program breeds laziness and poor work ethic. It's like a big party over there; guys with tons of talent, they don't work much, they get trated like gods, and they come to the NFL and can't figure out the little things to get better. And I've seen the proof with guys like Mike Williams, Leonard David, Jammer, Roy Williams, and likely Cedric Benson. Really, the only big-time first round success from that program in recent memory has been Ricky Williams...and he's a weirdo. 

 

I know nothing about Huff, so maybe I'm wrong. But something stinks with that Texas program.

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I guess you have been duped. I guess if you read something it must be true, right?

 

Roy Williams is no bust! He has single-handledly won games for the Lions. He has numbers quite similar to Lee Evans. Is he a bust, too? And if Roy's numbers are supposed to be better for some reason, do ya think it might have something to do with QB play? After all, they are supposedly ready to give up on Harrington. I doubt THAT's Roy's fault, too. Of course, you may consider him a bust when comparing him to that stellar performance put on so far by Charles Rogers from where? Oh yes, Michigan State!! (Whoo! Thank God we go THAT corrected!) Do some homework and check the numbers first before believing some media hack who's trying to make a point with self-supporting opinions and generalizations!

 

Leonard Davis, a bust? He IS playing left tackle for Denny Green isn't he? Notice the guy was buried at guard when WHO was coaching and running that team? And how many games did they win. Do ya think maybe it had something to do with the geniuses runnining the team before Denny showed up?

 

Jammer a bust? Are you kidding me? He has stats comparable to Clements except for INTs. And what does that say? That he can't intercept passes? Or maybe it means that opponents don't throw as much at him, or he doesn't take as many chances as "so I get burned often but I like to make INT's" Clements. The guy is awesome in run support and makes plays all over the field. And if SD overreached a bit and took him a little high, how is that Jammers fault anyway? I assure you nobody in San Diego thinks Jammer's a bust!

 

And while Benson did hold out and did get injured, exactly how does that make him a bust? The guy has had one season for Chrissakes and got injured. And let's forget about all of the other Horns who are having really great careers so far, like Derrick Johnson, who had a very solid rookie year in KC, Casey Hampton who is now wearing a SB ring, Preist Holmes who turned out to be not too bad a player, or Shaun Rogers, Nathan Vasher and Chris Simms to name a few more.

 

Some idiot decides to write an article about how Texas draft choices are all busts, makes a bunch of generalizations based on nothing but his own self-reinforcing subjectivity, and quotes some anonymous coach in the NFL saying the program creates a bunch of soft, lazy prima donnas, and you take it as fact proven? That anonymous coach is probably some Aggie or Red Raider who couldn't get accepted to UT and so now he's an expert on their program.

 

PUHLEASE!

[BobbyC81]

The only thing, the few of you who are high on Davis and Huff are not alone.  I believe strongly that the Raiders will select Davis, it is like Al to take the sexy pick, and unless Young is availible, then that will be his selection.  and if Huff is still there for SF I feel they will select him, being how weak they are in the 2ndary they need a playmaker, however if Mario Williams is there still I believe they have reason to take him.  I think Green Bay is another team that could take Huff.  Ngata is a good if not great player, in fact i don't think we could go wrong.  But this is another reason I wish the draft was first.

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Yeah, I always thought the NFL was half-ass backwards. They start out with free agency where teams know all their needs but don't know who they can sign from other teams or their own. Then, half way thru the free agency period, they have a draft. Then they continue with free agency. Wouldn't it be better to have one, then do the other (maybe draft first) so teams can get a better feel for how they'll fill their needs??

 

The way they do it now also has some affect on raising salaries when a team wants to fill a need at a position, there's only a couple guys they'd consider as free agents and they have little idea what's going to be available to them when they draft. So, they overpay for one of the free agents they like.

[Stl Bills]

Well, remember that Roy Williams was taken at #8.    Some of the other safeties that have turned into great pros were taken a little later with Rodney Harrison at 14, Polamalu at 16,  and Ed Reed at 24.

 

The video of Huff someone provided didn't give me a good enough impression of him to be taken at #8, however.

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Agreed. With a guy like Roy Williams you saw in his highlight reel alone that he was going to have an impact on the football field. Remember that hit that was always shown of him completely leveling that guy? I think that guy was from Oklahoma State.

 

I think Huff is an athletic player and i think he will be fairly good if not very good in the NFL. I just think that the #8 slot is really high for a guy like him. Yes he is fast and all that other stuff, but i think if you want to take him you have to trade down and risk someone else picking him up before the Bills.

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Just to clear things up that Roy Williams played at Oklahoma not Texas. The Roy Williams JRinAnnArbor was reffering to was the WR Roy Williams who played at Texas.

[BADOLBILZ]

Of course, you may consider him a bust when comaparing him to that stellar performance put on so far by Charles Rogers from where?  Oh yes, Michigan!!

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Try again.

[BuffaloBob]

Try again.

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Michigan, Michigan State? Who cares?

 

"My point is still moot." Cliff Claven

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I guess you have been duped.  I guess if you read something it must be true, right?

 

Roy Williams is no bust!  He has single-handledly won games for the Lions.  He has numbers quite similar to Lee Evans.  Is he a bust, too?  And if Roy's numbers are supposed to be better for some reason, do ya think it might have something to do with QB play?  After all, they are supposedly ready to give up on Harrington.  I doubt THAT's Roy's fault, too.  Of course, you may consider him a bust when comparing him to that stellar performance put on so far by Charles Rogers from where?  Oh yes, Michigan State!! (Whoo!  Thank God we go THAT corrected!) Do some homework and check the numbers first before believing some media hack who's trying to make a point with self-supporting opinions and generalizations!

 

Leonard Davis, a bust?  He IS playing left tackle for Denny Green isn't he?  Notice the guy was buried at guard when WHO was coaching and running that team?  And how many games did they win.  Do ya think maybe it had something to do with the geniuses runnining the team before Denny showed up?

 

Jammer a bust?  Are you kidding me?  He has stats comparable to Clements except for INTs.  And what does that say?  That he can't intercept passes? Or maybe it means that opponents don't throw as much at him, or he doesn't take as many chances as "so I get burned often but I like to make INT's" Clements.  The guy is awesome in run support and makes plays all over the field.  And if SD overreached a bit and took him a little high, how is that Jammers fault anyway?  I assure you nobody in San Diego thinks Jammer's a bust!

 

And while Benson did hold out and did get injured, exactly how does that make him a bust?  The guy has had one season for Chrissakes and got injured.  And let's forget about all of the other Horns who are having really great careers so far, like Derrick Johnson, who had a very solid rookie year in KC, Casey Hampton who is now wearing a SB ring, Preist Holmes who turned out to be not too bad a player, or Shaun Rogers, Nathan Vasher and Chris Simms to name a few more.

 

Some idiot decides to write an article about how Texas draft choices are all busts, makes a bunch of generalizations based on nothing but his own self-reinforcing subjectivity, and quotes some anonymous coach in the NFL saying the program creates a bunch of soft, lazy prima donnas, and you take it as fact proven?  That anonymous coach is probably some Aggie or Red Raider who couldn't get accepted to UT and so now he's an expert on their program.

 

PUHLEASE!

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I admire your defense of the longhorns--but I'm not sure you're entirely right. My original point is that some of these "highly touted" (i.e., top-10 , can't-miss picks) Longhorns are more bust than boom, and I think I'm right. I admit that they've had some good players to come out of the program (Holmes, Hampton, etc.)--but it's never the top-ten, so-called world beaters that they produce.

 

I also think you're reaching a bit in your analysis. For instance, Leonard Davis isn't a bust because he's managed to move to tackle 5 years into his NFL career for a line that hasn't yielded a 100-yard rusher in 3 years? Perhaps it was the coaching in Arizona (and the coaching in Buffalo w/ Mike Williams), or perhaps it's what I've heard from many pundits around the NFL--the guy is plain soft (which was a question surrounding him coming out).

 

And Jammer plays like a third round draft pick, not the #5 overall. I suppose you can't fault him for that, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the Chargers and people in the league pegged him as a #5 and he's not. Maybe Mike Williams was wrongly pegged as a #4 when he should have been a fifth round pick? It doesn't mean he wasn't a bust.

 

I think Roy Williams is probably the best of the lot and has been derailed by injury; maybe the same goes for Benson. But for one of the best programs in the country, you'd think these guys from Texas would be a lot better than they've panned out.

[BoondckCL]

Just to clear things up that Roy Williams played at Oklahoma not Texas.  The Roy Williams JRinAnnArbor was reffering to was the WR Roy Williams who played at Texas.

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Yeah i just realized that. But it is understandable considering the initial conversation was about a safety.

 

Side note, when referring to either Roy Williams, how about we say WR Roy Williams or S Roy Williams.

[firstngoal]

Some of you guys are talking up Michael Huff but did you watch the BCS Championship game in which USC's LenDale White left tire marks on Huffs back after he ran him over. Huff's not the pick I'd want to make that high in the Draft!

[BuffaloBob]

I admire your defense of the longhorns--but I'm not sure you're entirely right. My original point is that some of these "highly touted" (i.e., top-10 , can't-miss picks) Longhorns are more bust than boom, and I think I'm right. I admit that they've had some good players to come out of the program (Holmes, Hampton, etc.)--but it's never the top-ten, so-called world beaters that they produce. 

Well, I know you THINK you're right, but how about supporting this position with something other than your subjective gut feel?

 

I also think you're reaching a bit in your analysis. For instance, Leonard Davis isn't a bust because he's managed to move to tackle 5 years into his NFL career for a line that hasn't yielded a 100-yard rusher in 3 years?

 

Obviously, one guy can't turn an O-line into world-beaters, nor a crappy team generally. And who did they have running the ball, anyway? But most importantly, who was the freakin' genius that had him somewhere other than at left tackle to begin with? The very fact that this team sucked for year after year and then along comes Denny Green, a very well-respected and successful coach, who finally moves him to where he belongs, calls into question the geniuses who had him inside at guard for four years. Without more, this is mental masturbation. You are assuming that he is a bust because he played guard for four years and there is simply no reason for that other than that is what you want to believe. And using that to further the myth that has been circulated by a few so-called pundits based on some crap they've heard from some anonymous NFL coach is worth doodly-squat!

 

Perhaps it was the coaching in Arizona (and the coaching in Buffalo w/ Mike Williams), or perhaps it's what I've heard from many pundits around the NFL--the guy is plain soft (which was a question surrounding him coming out).

 

And what NFL pundits are these? Some media hacks that like to label people as one thing or another and quote anonymous sources? Besides, the guy's been moved from guard (which wasn't his natural position to begin with) to RT back to guard and then LT. I'm not so sure anyone would be all that consistently good if they had to play so many postions before getting to play their natural position.

 

And Jammer plays like a third round draft pick, not the #5 overall.

 

Oh really? And exactly on what basis do you make this expert assessment? More NFL pundits I suppose! He has virtually identical stats as a certain DB for the Bills except for INTs. Does Clements play like a 3rd rounder, too? I've watched Jammer play on many occasions and given that he has started right from the start and has played on a team far more successful than the Bills over his career seems to demonstrate the opposite. Moreover, saying he plays like a 3rd rounder without something to back that up with is once again fairly worthless, although I admit serves as an effective false premise for the rest of your argument. He may not have had the sort of spectacular impact that some might expect from a 5th overall pick, but he has certainly played to the level of a first rounder nevertheless. And far better than many drafted out of other so-called respected programs that are no longer in the league.

 

I think Roy Williams is probably the best of the lot and has been derailed by injury; maybe the same goes for Benson. But for one of the best programs in the country, you'd think these guys from Texas would be a lot better than they've panned out.

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Derailed by injury? Are you sure we are talking about the same guy?

 

Let's review some of his accomplishments:

 

• Set Lions rookie receiving records in receptions (54), yards (817) and touchdowns (8).

 

• Named NFC Rookie of the Month for September after recording 17 receptions for 277 yards and four touchdowns through his first three games.

 

• Led all receivers with four catches for 69 yards, including an amazing 27-yard, one-handed juggling reception in the season-opener at Chicago (9/12). The play was selected by fans as the Play-of-the-Week on ESPN.com.

 

• Named the Pepsi Rookie of the Week after he scored his first two career touchdowns on four catches for 73 yards vs. Houston (9/19). His second touchdown on the day, a 14-yarder, garnered him the Levitra Play of the Week award for Week 2.

 

• Scored two touchdowns on nine receptions for 135 yards, including four passes for 63 yards on the Lions first scoring drive, becoming the first rookie Lion to have a 100-yard receiving game since Larry Foster in 2000 and the first Lion since David Hill (1976) to score multiple touchdowns in two games during his rookie year.

 

• Broke the Lions rookie receiving record in yards and touchdowns with 104 yards and two touchdowns vs. Minnesota (12/19).

 

That was just his rookie season.

 

 

Roy Williams CareerStats 99 1504 15.2 51 16 (Rec Yds Avg Long TDs) Missed 6 games in two years (hardly being derailed)

 

Mike Williams 1 yr 29 350 12.1 49 1 (Drafted #10 overall USC) Missed 2 games

 

Lee Evans CareerStats 2 yrs 96 1586 16.5 69 16 Missed 0 games (Roy had virtually the same production in 6 less games).

 

Charles Career 3 yrs 36 440 12.2 35 4 Missed 23 games in 3 years. Now THERE'S a guy who's been derailed by injury! And Drafted #2 overall!

 

Yeah, that "pundit" was right when he said Roy has certainly failed to play to the level one would expect from a high first round draft choice!

 

And BTW, I think many would cite Casey Hampton or Nathan Vasher as the best so far. Of course, there is also Shaun Rogers, but of course the reason he didn't go until the second round is that the NFL pundits said the guy was a liability who took plays off and had a bad attitude. GO FIGURE!

 

The bottom line is that top Texas draft picks, and many not so high, are having very solid if not exceptional careers. The fact that two of them who have had sufficent time to make their mark successfully (Big Mike and Ricky, a guy who wsould be leading the league in rushing if they would just let him smoke his weed!), does not in any way diminsh the play of the rest of them notwithstanding what some "pundits" say in an article supported by nothing more than their subjective opinions and their anonymous source. And further, I'm sure there are many other so-called top programs that, if their top choices were analyzed this closely, would show some suprisingly mediocre results of their own.

 

But oh yes, by all means, stay away from the Texas players. An NFL pundit said so!

[Pass the Pipe]

I loathe the thought of drafting a S at #8.

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Ed Reed, Troy Palamala (sp?), and Roy Williams have made some mighty big contributions in the last 3 or 4 years.