Coach Tuesday Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I know, I know. If we don't draft 28 offensive and defensive linemen this year, d_wag's head is gonna explode. I hear you - we definitely need to upgrade both lines this offseason. We need a stud DT, a passrusher to replace Kelsay (I'll say it again: BUST), and an entirely reconstructed o-line (except for Peters). That all being said, looks like we'll be picking in the 10-13 spot. And, that means we'll also have the chance to grab the best pure TE prospect to come out in years: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland. Incredible size and speed. Good, willing blocker. Tough guy. Great hands. Can stretch a defense. Think Antonio Gates, 'cuz that's what he is. If you ask me, (a) tight end is not a so-called "skill position" (they DO play o-line), and (b) the lack of a reliable tight end has really kept our offense back, especially in the red zone. And, I also don't think we can expect Everett to return to form - who knows what kind of player he'll be, if he even recovers from his injury. That's my idea and I'm gonna stick with it - grab a stud like Davis to take this offense to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 The only thing that would be a 'bust' in that scenario would be my TV set upon hearing the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I know, I know. If we don't draft 28 offensive and defensive linemen this year, d_wag's head is gonna explode. I hear you - we definitely need to upgrade both lines this offseason. We need a stud DT, a passrusher to replace Kelsay (I'll say it again: BUST), and an entirely reconstructed o-line (except for Peters). That all being said, looks like we'll be picking in the 10-13 spot. And, that means we'll also have the chance to grab the best pure TE prospect to come out in years: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland. Incredible size and speed. Good, willing blocker. Tough guy. Great hands. Can stretch a defense. Think Antonio Gates, 'cuz that's what he is. If you ask me, (a) tight end is not a so-called "skill position" (they DO play o-line), and (b) the lack of a reliable tight end has really kept our offense back, especially in the red zone. And, I also don't think we can expect Everett to return to form - who knows what kind of player he'll be, if he even recovers from his injury. That's my idea and I'm gonna stick with it - grab a stud like Davis to take this offense to the next level. 544307[/snapback] actually, if needs are addressed on the OL and DL through free agency i would be completely open minded to seeing other positions considered for the 1st round pick..... for instance, if the bills sign a guy like backus to play LT, a guy like bentley to play LG, and guys like pickett and tripplet to play DT the biggest needs will likely shift to CB and WR....... bottom line -- it is way to early to determine what position should be addressed in the 1st round.....free agency affects this decision greatly...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I know, I know. If we don't draft 28 offensive and defensive linemen this year, d_wag's head is gonna explode. I hear you - we definitely need to upgrade both lines this offseason. We need a stud DT, a passrusher to replace Kelsay (I'll say it again: BUST), and an entirely reconstructed o-line (except for Peters). That all being said, looks like we'll be picking in the 10-13 spot. And, that means we'll also have the chance to grab the best pure TE prospect to come out in years: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland. Incredible size and speed. Good, willing blocker. Tough guy. Great hands. Can stretch a defense. Think Antonio Gates, 'cuz that's what he is. If you ask me, (a) tight end is not a so-called "skill position" (they DO play o-line), and (b) the lack of a reliable tight end has really kept our offense back, especially in the red zone. And, I also don't think we can expect Everett to return to form - who knows what kind of player he'll be, if he even recovers from his injury. That's my idea and I'm gonna stick with it - grab a stud like Davis to take this offense to the next level. 544307[/snapback] there are a few good te's coming out but this one is being touted in the EM (eric mold) of a Gonzalez/Gates type........just relaying what i hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 If we filled the oline needs in free agency and picked up the likes of grady jackson and a darren howard or raheem brock on the defensive side of the ball I would not be opposed to a te, however I'd rather have Marcedes Lewis then Vernon Davis. Marcedes is 3 inches taller and around the same speed. Would probably be a better redzone target then vernon at 6'6. Also a better blocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 actually, if needs are addressed on the OL and DL through free agency i would be completely open minded to seeing other positions considered for the 1st round pick..... for instance, if the bills sign a guy like backus to play LT, a guy like bentley to play LG, and guys like pickett and tripplet to play DT the biggest needs will likely shift to CB and WR....... bottom line -- it is way to early to determine what position should be addressed in the 1st round.....free agency affects this decision greatly...... 544329[/snapback] ryan pickett? you think much of him? just wondering, i never thought he could be that good with a lousy stop unit in st. louis and two first round picks playing DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 ryan pickett? you think much of him? 544336[/snapback] absolutely.....he put on 20 pounds last off-season and that added bulk has added to his game immensely........only 26, he has finally blossumed into a legit run stuffer who can draw double teams and still make plays........he's been healthy his entire career and entering his prime.........i'd take him over an over-the-hill grady jackson any day.......he's a run stuffer, and that is exactly what this team needs........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 does that mean the tight end we drafted this year that got hurt is a bust?from what i had read on him last year wasnt he a good prospect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 The only thing that would be a 'bust' in that scenario would be my TV set upon hearing the pick. 544325[/snapback] Keep an open mind and don't let those things get under your skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Eric Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 "The Buffalo Bills are on the board, and there has been a trade, sending the 12th pick overall to ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I know, I know. If we don't draft 28 offensive and defensive linemen this year, d_wag's head is gonna explode. I hear you - we definitely need to upgrade both lines this offseason. We need a stud DT, a passrusher to replace Kelsay (I'll say it again: BUST), and an entirely reconstructed o-line (except for Peters). That all being said, looks like we'll be picking in the 10-13 spot. And, that means we'll also have the chance to grab the best pure TE prospect to come out in years: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland. Incredible size and speed. Good, willing blocker. Tough guy. Great hands. Can stretch a defense. Think Antonio Gates, 'cuz that's what he is. If you ask me, (a) tight end is not a so-called "skill position" (they DO play o-line), and (b) the lack of a reliable tight end has really kept our offense back, especially in the red zone. And, I also don't think we can expect Everett to return to form - who knows what kind of player he'll be, if he even recovers from his injury. That's my idea and I'm gonna stick with it - grab a stud like Davis to take this offense to the next level. 544307[/snapback] Yeah, and then let's draft the smallest WR candidate in the draft followed by some QBs and RBs. Then with our 7th pick let's draft a tackle that we are surprised made it to the 7th without getting drafted. Tom, is that you Tom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 "The Buffalo Bills are on the board, and there has been a trade, sending the 12th pick overall to ..." 544381[/snapback] The Minnesota Vikings for Pat Williams, Jonas Jennings (acquired in a trade with San Fran), Antoine Winfield and a lake boat cruise vessel to be named later...brilliant...Ralph reunites the band without paying the signing bonuses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I agree that a quality pass-catching TE is very important. Need evidence, you need look no further than Drew Bledsoe. In his best days in NE he had Ben Coates. In his one good season with us he had Riemersma -- I know not much but still he had pretty good hands. I don't think it's any coincidence that Drew's coming back down to earth the following season was at least partially because JR was sent packing... It's also no coincidence that having Jason Witten this year has allowed him to make a comeback in Dallas. Hind-sight is 20-20 but for those who say that taking Willis with that #1 pick back in 2003 wasn't such a bad thing because TD still landed the guy he wanted in the second round (with Kelsay). Well, what if we had taken Kelsay with that first pick -- and then selected Witten in the second round? My point is that the TE posiiton has been just as neglected as the OL that everyone keeps complaining about. Let's hope Everett can make a full recovery by next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I agree that a quality pass-catching TE is very important. Need evidence, you need look no further than Drew Bledsoe. In his best days in NE he had Ben Coates. In his one good season with us he had Riemersma -- I know not much but still he had pretty good hands. I don't think it's any coincidence that Drew's coming back down to earth the following season was at least partially because JR was sent packing... It's also no coincidence that having Jason Witten this year has allowed him to make a comeback in Dallas. Hind-sight is 20-20 but for those who say that taking Willis with that #1 pick back in 2003 wasn't such a bad thing because TD still landed the guy he wanted in the second round (with Kelsay). Well, what if we had taken Kelsay with that first pick -- and then selected Witten in the second round? My point is that the TE posiiton has been just as neglected as the OL that everyone keeps complaining about. Let's hope Everett can make a full recovery by next season. 544390[/snapback] i dont remember jay still being here with drew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 i dont remember jay still being here with drew He was, in 2002. And Davis is a luxury pick considering a) they have needs on the OL and DL, if not elsewhere as well, and b) they drafted Everett last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 We drafted that type of player last year. He got hurt and will make his splash next year (hopefully) Sorry I pass on a first round TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Davis is an absolute beast. watched him tear it up in the ACC this season. Of course the lines need to be adressed, but if thats done with FA, as stated, then this would be a hell of a pick. Still, i'd rather see a DL here with our #1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Keep an open mind and don't let those things get under your skin. 544376[/snapback] Keep an open mind? I live in Utah, for crying out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 It seems like there are great TE's coming out every year now, though. There's been Gates, Shockey, Winslow, Clark, Witten, Troupe. I think the TE position is getting stronger year by year and am not sure it is necessary to use our top pick on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Gabe Watson scould be available when we pick if we beat the Jets. Definitely an answer for us if we don't get a DT during free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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