bluv Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Ever since JP has came back from his benching, most of his incompletions have been throw aways to avoid sacks. He has lost his happy feet and when a reciever is open he seems pretty accurate when his mind is made up; it's not like he is missing open recievers. That is why I think with a little more experience he will be fine; it's the coaches and gameplanning I'm more worried about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I think that Drew would have given us a better chance to win.  He did it last year with the virtually the same offense. 537552[/snapback]  You're high. Drew had the benefit of playing opponents of the San Fransisco caliber last year. As soon as he faced a quality defense's SECOND STRINGERS he came unglued.  And oh yeah, he just didn't choke in big-time games, either did he?  Buck Drew Fledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Word out of Bills camp is that JP could have started on Sat night. He was not injured enough to sit out. If he really wanted to play he would have played and the coaches used his "injury" as a partial excuse to start KH. Â "Word out of Bills camp"? I don't suppose you'd care to be more specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 If RJ was a Budweiser, then JP is a Bud Lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 God, I hate this place sometimes. 537795[/snapback]  We love you, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fergy Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I think that Drew would have given us a better chance to win.  He did it last year with the virtually the same offense. 537552[/snapback] and a very easy 2nd half scedule!!!!!!!!!!!!and a lost against Pittsburg backups!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Ill probably get flamed but heres J.P's stats vs., the guy everybody seems to love in NY, Eli Manning's.. J.P (year 2 but first year playing):  games - 9 comp - 114 att - 229 comp % - 49.8% yards - 1340 y/a - 5.9 td - 8 int - 8  Manning (year 1).....(year 2)  games - 9.....13 comp - 95.....242 att - 197.....461 comp % - 48.2%.....52.5%    yards - 1043.....3128       y/a - 5.3.....6.8 td - 6.....21 int - 9.....15  the reason I bring manning up is because he was the best comming out of the draft last year....manning had a better 0-line last year than J.P has this year but yet J.P looks better in some areas and the same in others...if J.P can go from his numbers to what manning in doing this year I think he'll be great...we have the tools to win on this team but its not a full toolbox and the tools are a mess...IF buffalo gets the right personel in here next year and can get the right positions fixed next year J.P will be on his way to being a probowl(hopefully superbowl) player..ok thats wishful thinking but I say stay with J.P..the question is who do we replace mathews with or even holcomb with next year? 537751[/snapback]  I can hear the chirping crickets among the ranks of the haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fergy Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 If RJ was a Budweiser, then JP is a Bud Lite. 537843[/snapback] Not the smartest rock in the pile just like your hero (name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fergy Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Ill probably get flamed but heres J.P's stats vs., the guy everybody seems to love in NY, Eli Manning's.. J.P (year 2 but first year playing):  games - 9 comp - 114 att - 229 comp % - 49.8% yards - 1340 y/a - 5.9 td - 8 int - 8  Manning (year 1).....(year 2)  games - 9.....13 comp - 95.....242 att - 197.....461 comp % - 48.2%.....52.5%    yards - 1043.....3128       y/a - 5.3.....6.8 td - 6.....21 int - 9.....15  the reason I bring manning up is because he was the best comming out of the draft last year....manning had a better 0-line last year than J.P has this year but yet J.P looks better in some areas and the same in others...if J.P can go from his numbers to what manning in doing this year I think he'll be great...we have the tools to win on this team but its not a full toolbox and the tools are a mess...IF buffalo gets the right personel in here next year and can get the right positions fixed next year J.P will be on his way to being a probowl(hopefully superbowl) player..ok thats wishful thinking but I say stay with J.P..the question is who do we replace mathews with or even holcomb with next year? 537751[/snapback] Keep up the good post with facts to back up. I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Keep up the good post with facts to back up. I agree 100% 537990[/snapback] Â More attempts, completions, higher percentage, more TDs and fewer INTs. Â Amazing, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Hey - have you ever watched a young QB develop before? Methinks not.  I am sure I'll probably be ripped for this, but I really don't like Losman as the cornerstone to build around. He has 1 win this season, against the worst team in football, was yanked for a journeyman backup, can't stay healthy, can't complete more than 2 passes in a row, etc.... "It's JP's team". Why? Has the guy won over his players? Certainly not Eric Moulds. Why not entertain a FA QB? What confuses me is that there are guys with even less experience and less talent around them that are at very least giving their teams a chance to win. Example - Charlie Frye, to a lesser extent Brooks Bollinger (he had a very good game yesterday if you watched).  I honestly feel that a new GM will agree with what I am saying. Don't give up on the kid at all, but we shouldn't just hand him the franchise when he has proven NOTHING.  Thoughts? 537471[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 The Cowboys signed Bledsoe because they needed a QB. Think about that for a minute. A team that needed a quarterback traded us the Losman pick. If Parcells really thought Losman would develop into a franchise QB, what's he doing trading us that pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills/deacs Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Interesting comparison with Eli Manning. My roommate is an Eagles fan so I've been having some conversations with him about how Donovan McNabb was his rookie year (it seems JP and McNabb have similar styles: athletic qbs with questionable throwing accuracy). JP has had an up and down year just like McNabb did in 1999 (with a bad eagles team similar to this years bad bills team). Anyway, here are the stats:  McNabb:  106-216, 49.1%, 948 yds, 4.39 YPA, 8 TD, 7 Int, 60.1 Rating  Losman:  113-228, 49.6%, 1340 yds, 5.88 YPA, 8 TD, 8 Int, 64.9 Rating  These stats look eerily similar to me. I know that this doesn't mean that JP will turn out like Donovan McNabb, but the situation isn't as hopeless as some are making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 The Cowboys signed Bledsoe because they needed a QB. Think about that for a minute. A team that needed a quarterback traded us the Losman pick. If Parcells really thought Losman would develop into a franchise QB, what's he doing trading us that pick? Didn't they just prior to that draft trade for Drew Henson? If so, there's your answer right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 The Cowboys signed Bledsoe because they needed a QB. Think about that for a minute. A team that needed a quarterback traded us the Losman pick. If Parcells really thought Losman would develop into a franchise QB, what's he doing trading us that pick? 538098[/snapback] Â Parcells said he didnt want to go through another rookie QB again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Parcells said he didnt want to go through another rookie QB again. 538109[/snapback] Well, he's obviously not going to say, "I think Losman's future in this league is bleak," when he's trying to trade away the pick for the maximum possible value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Wasnt the "grooming' supposed to have been last year behind Bledsoe? Sure he was hurt, but what else did he have to do except study football day in and day out. Dude was downtown partying instead of earning his millions. 537481[/snapback] And if the team was winning, he'd just be letting off steam among his fans downtown, I suppose.  Studying the playbook is different from getting reps in practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bay Bills Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I'd give him the KC win as well, so, 2 wins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Well, he's obviously not going to say, "I think Losman's future in this league is bleak," when he's trying to trade away the pick for the maximum possible value. You may have missed my post above (#55). But to update it, I looked and the Cowboys traded a 3rd rounder for Henson on March 15, 2005, which was before the draft. There's your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I'd give him the KC win as well, so, 2 wins... 538180[/snapback] He also could have been the winning QB of record for the two home games against Miami and the Jets, had he played. I always felt that it was foolish to bench him with those two games coming up. Yes, the TB game was ugly, but the ATl game was pretty close, except for the 236 rushing yards Vick-Dunn-Duckett put up ( ). The Saints beat us when they still had McCallister (130 yards ). That being said, the next three games were against bottom-feeders, and would have been great games to get JP back on track. What could have been.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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