Cindy Sheehan is a puppet and a nut

[KRC]

I don't understand why are you sharing this with us.  Do you think that is a bit out of bounds?

 

I don't really have an opinion on what she is doing apart from she ought to be able to have her protest and fade into black without being personally attacked like this.  For example, what would be behind the thinking that leads one (not you) to be enraged that she called the President a rotten so-and-so but applaud her being called or treated like a "B word in the Ditch"?  I think the leader of the free world is probably able to take a nasty jibe from a nobody like little Cindy Sheehan a little better than Cindy Sheehan will be able to handle mericless attacks from media superstar zillionaires from Limbaugh to Coulter.  Why don't hey pick on someone their own size? 

 

What is behind this massive mobilization of the republican attack machine against this woman?  Why is it so important to shred her to pieces?  "She's crazy, she's mean, she is a liar, she's nuts, she hates Bush, she is a tool of the left, she is a B word in a ditch."  Twenty-four seven. 

 

People who will excuse a President who took us to war with thousands dead based on WMD's that never existed have their panties in a bunch over an old woman in a tent.  Even if she is the biggest kook in Crawford, isn't this just a bit unseemly?

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Not that I condone what is said about her (because I do not), but what gives her immunity from criticism? If she is going to protest 24/7, then she is also open to criticism 24/7. People have the right to criticize, regardless of their position in life.

 

If Sheehan is going to blast the administration with the types of things she is saying, then defenders of the administration have the right to fight back.

[Ghost of BiB]

Not that I condone what is said about her (because I do not), but what gives her immunity from criticism? If she is going to protest 24/7, then she is also open to criticism 24/7. People have the right to criticize, regardless of their position in life.

 

If Sheehan is going to blast the administration with the types of things she is saying, then defenders of the administration have the right to fight back.

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Very well said, Ken. Good point. If you want the camera on you, especially politically, the street runs both ways.

[boomerjamhead]

I don't understand why are you sharing this with us.  Do you think that is a bit out of bounds?

 

I don't really have an opinion on what she is doing apart from she ought to be able to have her protest and fade into black without being personally attacked like this.

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She had her chance to do as much when she met the President for the first time. Why didn't she stay faded into the black when she had her chance?

[boomerjamhead]

I guess her Mom just had a stroke in LA and she's taking off.

 

Hope her Mom makes it.

[KD in CA]

RK, if you find yourself quoting Ann Coulter you need to step back man, seriously.  The claim of being balanced and a non-hypocrite you made in that thread started by Dr. K can't survive this Coulter quoting.  I won't begrudge you your opinions on Cindy Sheehan but really, Ann Coulter?

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It seems to me that he was quoting Sheehan. His comments were based on her statements. Coulter merely relayed Sheehan's quotes. Are you defending Sheehan's statements? Or are you suggesting Coulter invented the quotes? Or did you just take a shot at a journalist you don't like in lieu of having any retort to RkFast's comment?

[Ghost of BiB]

It seems to me that he was quoting Sheehan.  His comments were based on her statements.  Coulter merely relayed Sheehan's quotes.  Are you defending Sheehan's statements?  Or are you suggesting Coulter invented the quotes?  Or did you just take a shot at a journalist you don't like in lieu of having any retort to RkFast's comment?

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A. Coulter may definitely put on her spin, but one thing you have to respect is that she never fabricates. She's very careful to attribute sources, especially in her books.

[erynthered]

I don't understand why are you sharing this with us.  Do you think that is a bit out of bounds?

 

I don't really have an opinion on what she is doing apart from she ought to be able to have her protest and fade into black without being personally attacked like this.  For example, what would be behind the thinking that leads one (not you) to be enraged that she called the President a rotten so-and-so but applaud her being called or treated like a "B word in the Ditch"?  I think the leader of the free world is probably able to take a nasty jibe from a nobody like little Cindy Sheehan a little better than Cindy Sheehan will be able to handle mericless attacks from media superstar zillionaires from Limbaugh to Coulter.  Why don't hey pick on someone their own size? 

 

What is behind this massive mobilization of the republican attack machine against this woman?  Why is it so important to shred her to pieces?  "She's crazy, she's mean, she is a liar, she's nuts, she hates Bush, she is a tool of the left, she is a B word in a ditch."  Twenty-four seven. 

 

People who will excuse a President who took us to war with thousands dead based on WMD's that never existed have their panties in a bunch over an old woman in a tent.  Even if she is the biggest kook in Crawford, isn't this just a bit unseemly?

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Its another example of how far out of bounds the media has taken this Mick. Its part of the story. While I dont like it either, its whats new.

 

 

And Boom, I'm with you. I heard that on the radio, on my way home. That woman has gone through enough. Getting ripped apart by some fringe fractions that never had her best interests at heart, and losing her son.

[Chef Jim]

I think this has been brought up before. But where is this type of outrage, demands, attention on the number of our citizens being killed by our own citizens. Take a trip to Compton some day. Oh that's right.............they're black.

[Ghost of BiB]

I think this has been brought up before.  But where is this type of outrage, demands, attention on the number of our citizens being killed by our own citizens.  Take a trip to Compton some day.  Oh that's right.............they're black. 

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They just made the per-capita record, didn't they? I'm still stunned that no one ever comments on the analogies between gang violence and terrorism, especially in so far as recruitment. In my simple Polish mind, there is little difference.

[Chef Jim]

They just made the per-capita record, didn't they? I'm still stunned that no one ever comments on the analogies between gang violence and terrorism, especially in so far as recruitment. In my simple Polish mind, there is little difference.

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Well they're (the terrorists) are recruiting local black muslims in prison. They arrested a couple recently who had plans to shoot up a National Guard recruitment center on Sept 11th. If that's the terrorist's new MO they need brighter guys. Sept 11th falls on a Sunday and the recruitment center has been closed for quite sometime.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

I'm still stunned that no one ever comments on the analogies between gang violence and terrorism, especially in so far as recruitment. In my simple Polish mind, there is little difference.

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Well, yeah...but we've got those MS-13 lunatics to deal with in this area, so we're aware of it.

[erynthered]

They just made the per-capita record, didn't they? I'm still stunned that no one ever comments on the analogies between gang violence and terrorism, especially in so far as recruitment. In my simple Polish mind, there is little difference.

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Since when is there a simple Polish mind?

 

 

 

 

Back on track, you're right, but the media wouldnt be able to sell the advertising time, sorry. Non-story.

[Wacka]

Her surviving son has been begging her to come home. Why didn't she do it then? Is her mother more importnt than her son?

[Mickey]

Not that I condone what is said about her (because I do not), but what gives her immunity from criticism? If she is going to protest 24/7, then she is also open to criticism 24/7. People have the right to criticize, regardless of their position in life.

 

If Sheehan is going to blast the administration with the types of things she is saying, then defenders of the administration have the right to fight back.

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I agree with that but I'm not talking about rights. Its piling on, an unequal contest between a nobody and every right wing talking head from Limbaugh to Coulter.

 

What is interesting to me is why this anti-war, anti-Bush protester, as opposed to many, many others, has drawn so much fire. My own feeling is that there are those on the right who are acutely aware that public support for the war is at a low. Anxiety on the issue is high, the news is slow and then along comes this lady in a tent. The fact that the media and every left wing talking head has trumpeted her as a genuine martyr is just another sign that public opinion may be shifting. An emboldened left opposes the war with more vigor and a worried right reacts in hyperdrive.

 

I don't know, just a theory. It just seems like an awful lot over an awful little.

[Mickey]

A. Coulter may definitely put on her spin, but one thing you have to respect is that she never fabricates. She's very careful to attribute sources, especially in her books.

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Your being sarcastic, right?

[Adam]

My heart goes out to anyone who lost a family member in battle, however, I will ignore her hysterical spew

[SilverNRed]

I agree with that but I'm not talking about rights.  Its piling on, an unequal contest between a nobody and every right wing talking head from Limbaugh to Coulter. 

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Get real. She's backed by every "name" in the George Soros/Michael Moore wing of the Democratic party. They're paying for her PR rep!

 

And every major "mainstream" news outlet is covering her several hours a day. I tried flipping through the cable news channels last night and couldn't get away from her. The new buzz word is that she represents the "tipping point" in the Iraq War. Both CNN and MSNBC used that term. Why? I don't know! Probably because it's a good way to present a story and make a meaningless story seem meaningful.

 

I can't imagine anyone trying to frame her as this "nobody" trying to take on the big names on the Right. She has plenty of powerful friends and people who want to broadcast her.

[VABills]

Don't worry folks, forces have shut her up for now. Seems someone doesn't seem to like her message and the angels have been sent to take care of the situation.

 

I feel sorry for her family, but she is doing nothing be being a mouthpiece and spreading hatred.

 

edit: I wonder if Casey didn't go to ask the power that be to shut her down. This was the most expeditious way.

[Mickey]

It seems to me that he was quoting Sheehan.  His comments were based on her statements.  Coulter merely relayed Sheehan's quotes.  Are you defending Sheehan's statements?  Or are you suggesting Coulter invented the quotes?  Or did you just take a shot at a journalist you don't like in lieu of having any retort to RkFast's comment?

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She "merely relayed" Sheehan's quotes? First, she puts Sheehan's words in the mouths of every democrat in the country when she says "Sheehan shows us what Democrats would say..." Sorry but that is pure crap and if you want to lap it up, fine, but the fact is no one takes this harpie seriously outside of the extreme right. In another thread, RK went on about how the people on the board on the right are balanced and see the hypocrisy of politicians while those on the left are all dedicated partisans, blind to the shortcomings of their own party. I see that bit of self congratulatory hype as just a smidge over the top when, in the same day, he is quoting Ann Coulter.

 

As for Coulter's accuracy, here is what Sheehan said, in context, with Coulter's lift in bold:

 

"I’m going all over the country telling moms: “This country is not worth dying for. If we’re attacked, we would all go out. We’d all take whatever we had. I’d take my rolling pin and I’d beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq."

 

Seems to me she is willing to die for the country if its attacked but not in a war like this one. Why? Because we weren't attacked. Agree with her or not, fact is Coulter's lift was misleading.

 

Another example, here is what Sheehan said:

 

"America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent..."

 

Here is Coulter's quote, or rather, misquote:

 

"America has been killing people on this continent since it was started"

 

First off, Sheehan is just agreeing with what someone else said. Second, Coulter got the quote wrong and left out the reference to another person. Third, ask Native Americans, lynching victims, etc. etc. about whether there is some truth to the ideat that since Eurpoeans stepped on this continent, there has been a lot of killing.

 

Another, here is what Sheehan said:

 

"I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have. The people are good, the system is morally repugnant."

 

What Coulter says, first cutting in her own words and then adding Sheehan's:

 

"She calls the U.S. government a 'morally repugnant system'..."

 

Problem is, Sheehan didn't say "government". She said "system", Coulter guesses that she must mean "government" so I guess we just have to trust Coulter's mind reading abilitites. She makes it sound as if Sheehan thinks democracy and constitutional government are "repugnant". That is simply nonsense. In the same speech, Sheehan complains that Congress abrogated their responsibilty when it gave Bush a vote to go to war without a declaration of war. She thinks they undermined the constitution in doing so and, in my judgment, the "morally repugnant system she deplores" is not the government we were all raised on, democracy, but what the governement has become. This very sentiment has been expressed by the right as well in their endless anti-government rants over the years. Again, by removing context, cutting and pasting and adding her own spin, Coulter manages to twist Sheehan into some sort of Mama Bin Laden.

 

That doesn't mean that Sheehan's motives and all couldn't have been perfectly skewered using accurate quotes but that is Ann Coulter. The truth about Sheehan is probably enough to discredit her position but that isn't enough for the Ann Coulters of the world, they have to make it personal and turn her into something she simply is not.

 

Enough already.

[Mickey]

Don't worry folks, forces have shut her up for now.  Seems someone doesn't seem to like her message and the angels have been sent to take care of the situation. 

 

I feel sorry for her family, but she is doing nothing be being a mouthpiece and spreading hatred.

 

edit:  I wonder if Casey didn't go to ask the power that be to shut her down.  This was the most expeditious way.

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I wonder if maybe God killed Casey so that she would be motivated to protest the war in precisely the way that she did. Maybe Casey asked God to shut her down to keep her from being destroyed by the raving Coulters and Limbaughs of the world. Maybe the goal was to spare her that, not shut her up. Misca, her mother, her aging mother had a stroke. So maybe Casey asked God to off his own Grandmother?

 

Man, this woman really, really got to you guys didn't she? Here you are seeing divine intervention in finally getting her off the stage. Was she so dangerous that we needed God himself to help us out? I didn't realize the right was this jittery over the war.