Highly recommend all true patriots watch Ken Burns American Revolution documentary

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Calvinism was in its own way “democratic” in the idea that all believers had a personal relationship with God that no worldly institution should interfere with. 
 

Sorry, this topic got me thinking…

[The Frankish Reich]

All of these various influences (Calvinism, the Iroquois confederation, etc, etc) can be found in the thinking of the founding fathers. Everyone sees a little of what they want to see. Liberal bleeding hearts see respect for native American governance; religious righties see hardcore protestantism.

 

But the one giant who towers above all others combined? Montesquieu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montesquieu

[Andy1]

35 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

All of these various influences (Calvinism, the Iroquois confederation, etc, etc) can be found in the thinking of the founding fathers. Everyone sees a little of what they want to see. Liberal bleeding hearts see respect for native American governance; religious righties see hardcore protestantism.

 

But the one giant who towers above all others combined? Montesquieu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montesquieu

Agree on part 1. 
 

Part 2, Montesquieu - Interesting, and someone I never knew of. This is the rare thread on PPP where I’m actually learning something. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

51 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

All of these various influences (Calvinism, the Iroquois confederation, etc, etc) can be found in the thinking of the founding fathers. Everyone sees a little of what they want to see. Liberal bleeding hearts see respect for native American governance; religious righties see hardcore protestantism.

 

But the one giant who towers above all others combined? Montesquieu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montesquieu

 

May as well throw in Rousseau and see what comes out!

 

I put Trumpy's thoughts on Calvinism and its influence on the Revolution into ChatGpt. It laid out about a dozen different historians from four or five different schools of thought on the subject, and their books.

 

Best use of Chatgpt I've ever come across 

[Kelly to Allen]

3 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Are you sure about Calvin's influence specifically?  I'm curious, since the 13 Colonies were a haven for Protestant non- conformers and Calvinists weren't really known for their pluralism (but then again, no one really was at the time).

 

What parts did they like?

 

 

 

 

"Calvinism"you're correct. Which is more specifically a doctrine of no free will or predestination in layman's terms within Christianity 

 

But Calvin was a pivotal part of the reformation that questioned the churches authority, along with martin Luther which in turn created the fertile ground for not necessarily establishing one church authority in the new colonial world and their discussions about a new government etc

 

They were a core reason for not having an establishment of religion in the Constitution etc

 

 

It's obviously way more nuanced than this but this is like 1 % of the cliff notes

 

But the larger report remains. The Iroquois had literally nothing to do with any of this. 

 

There was temporary alliances and or treaties etc. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Coffeesforclosers]

22 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

"Calvinism"you're correct. Which is more specifically a doctrine of no free will or predestination in layman's terms within Christianity 

 

But Calvin was a pivotal part of the reformation that questioned the churches authority, along with martin Luther which in turn created the fertile ground for not necessarily establishing one church authority in the new colonial world and their discussions about a new government etc

 

They were a core reason for not having an establishment of religion in the Constitution etc

 

 

It's obviously way more nuanced than this but this is like 1 % of the cliff notes

 

But the larger report remains. The Iroquois had literally nothing to do with any of this. 

 

There was temporary alliances and or treaties etc. 

 

Thanks!

 

The only historical interpretations of America I tend to dismiss out of hand are the Progressive ones. Charles Beard and his "Everything boils down to economics" pap is the definition of reduction to absurdity.

[Tenhigh]

 

On 11/24/2025 at 9:57 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I’m not telling anyone to touch grass. I also posted under Redtail hawk for years. I suspect those posts are included. 

So 10k posts in 3 years vs 22k posts in 23 years?  Remember when I was trying to explain to you that you weren't winning all of those arguments that you thought you were?  I was talking about this, this right here.

 

As for the Burns doc, it's a bit of a slog for me so far. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

25 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

 

So 10k posts in 3 years vs 22k posts in 23 years?  Remember when I was trying to explain to you that you weren't winning all of those arguments that you thought you were?  I was talking about this, this right here.

 

As for the Burns doc, it's a bit of a slog for me so far. 

Dude I’m touching sand. At the beach. And my family is cooking dinner tomorrow. Happy Thanksgiving. I feel like a winner