Bust or Breakout: Can Keon Coleman make an "Eric Moulds" style great leap forward

[DapperCam]

5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

players don’t usually get drafted in the 1st round unless they have raw talent. i’m not sure people understand when i say RAW talent. Talent that hasn’t been put together and harnessed. That’s Keon. There’s more that goes into athletics than 40 times 

Keon wasn’t drafted in the 1st round, and he was over drafted. Who knows where he goes if we don’t take him.

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

3 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I am not giving up, either. I don't much like the odds, but it could still work out.

Exactly.

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

What? Just saying, if you think there’s “hindsight” to most of these thoughts, use the search function. You can go back a long time and find lots, and lots, and lots of posts on the topic from MANY posters. No one is looking back with hindsight like, “I’m really surprised this Keon Coleman thing hasn’t gone well.” 🤣🤣

Yea. Not really just saying. At least own your own post. Arrogant. Condescending. I know. You don't. Typical of some here.

[Comebackkid]

Seems like last year before the injury that Keon was getting some seperation...he put some dudes in a blender at times

 

saying moulds was huge...really moulds was 6'2 210  and keon is 6'3 215.    and ripped as well.

 

plus moulds was in a system designed to throw the ball down the field very effectively,   

no one in our system is eating right now and when they do its usually short yardage.

 

i think keons production is half keon and half play calling.   he does have his strenghts on the field.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

Keon wasn’t drafted in the 1st round, and he was over drafted. Who knows where he goes if we don’t take him.

1st pick of the 2nd round. my bad, smart guy. 

[Kirby Jackson]

36 minutes ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Yea. Not really just saying. At least own your own post. Arrogant. Condescending. I know. You don't. Typical of some here.

I’m struggling with why this is still a topic. It felt like we put this top bed a few months ago. Now, we want to revisit if he’s similar to one of the best WRs that the Bills have ever had?? What are we doing here.

 

FWIW, the majority of the Keon blame goes to Beane. Keon is the same player that he was. He has to own some for not getting any better but 80% of it falls to Beane for the idea of Keon. That was not a viable succession plan to Diggs and Gabe. He doubled down this year by pumping him up and avoiding WR in the draft. He added a quality role player in Palmer to replace a role player in Mack. He just had to have a better plan to address the boundary. Instead, he went on the radio talking trash to the morning guys about how right he was. Here we sit, with the exact same flaw that we could all see for 2 years.

[hondo in seattle]

If the binary choice is whether Keon is a bust or the next Eric Moulds, sadly I vote bust.  

 

Moulds HOF-type talent was wasted during the drought.  It would have been great to see what we would have done if Moulds (at his peak) was paired with Andre Reed during SB runs of the 90s.  What a duo that would have been!

 

I hope Keon gets better but he'll never come close to Moulds's level.  

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I think people are missing the point - the OP wasn't comparing him as a player or even peak as Moulds, he simply used Moulds as an example of someone who started slow and then broke out.  There is all this focus on discussion comparing the two, but that wasn't the point.  

 

And I think *this* is missing the point of what a lot of people are making.

 

Moulds was a 4.5 40 guy at the Combine who was deceptively fast. He was built like a Greek God and had a WR frame while Coleman's body is more like a Basketball player. He was physically dominant against Corners - both at the line and at the point of attack.

 

The reason people make the comparisons are to show that Moulds' issues were things that could be overcome because he was physically gifted and very athletic. He just needed to lock in mentally and get past the yips of drops. 

 

Coleman's main issues aren't fixable things. He'll always be a 4.61 guy who somehow plays even slower than that. He'll could put on muscle, but he'll still have a lanky frame and that mass would just result in him being even slower. He is physically limited.

Edited 46 minutes ago by BillsFanForever19

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Keon wasn’t drafted in the 1st round, and he was over drafted. Who knows where he goes if we don’t take him.

 

I wasn't high on Coleman going into the Draft and I'm not high on him now.

 

But this idea that Coleman was over drafted and would have free falled if we didn't take him is overblown and inaccurate.

 

He went exactly in the area he was expected to go. Had we not taken him, the Patriots would have selected him 4 picks later - if no one jumped ahead of them.

 

In that spot, they Drafted Ja'Lynn Polk who was *truly* overdrafted. He was expected to be a 3rd to 4th Round selection. They reached for Polk there bc he was the next best Outside WR (who didn't have red flags) on the board and bc they missed out on Coleman (who they were high on).

Edited 6 minutes ago by BillsFanForever19