The primary problem with the long conversions

[Simon]

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

You picked the game they held a future 1st ballot HOF to <50% competition rate to call out the secondary?

 

 

 

They are a patchwork mess right now and if the DL hadn't been repeatedly working over a weak KC OL I think they may have ended up in big trouble.

My point is to address the lack of cohesion by committing to your ultimate starters now instead of continuing to juggle your way through it.

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I've never understood that.

If I am a DC on 3rd and long, I'm trying to press the receivers to disrupt the timing with two safeties over the top.

Max Hairston will begin to do this as he finds his way in the league I would imagine. Benford isn't the physical type to do this, white is not able to anymore.  Strong will help.

 

Also, very impressed how good Cam Lewis was. I said before the game he is greatly underrated and almost criminally so.

 

His game last year to come in and shut KC down in the second half allowed us to almost win it 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

Max Hairston will begin to do this as he finds his way in the league I would imagine. Benford isn't the physical type to do this, white is not able to anymore.  Strong will help.

 

Also, very impressed how good Cam Lewis was. I said before the game he is greatly underrated and almost criminally so.

 

His game last year to come in and shut KC down in the second half allowed us to almost win it 

Yep agreed. Taron unfortunately has been a nightmare this season as well.

 

I don't know if it's a bold thing to say, but I think cam is an upgrade over Taron. At least at this point

[MasterStrategist]

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

They are a patchwork mess right now and if the DL hadn't been repeatedly working over a weak KC OL I think they may have ended up in big trouble.

My point is to address the lack of cohesion by committing to your ultimate starters now instead of continuing to juggle your way through it.

I disagree.

 

They aren't a patchwork mess.   They will continue to get Max more % of snaps.  But they played well today --- Bishop, on down.  Many guys stepped up.  KC had been rolling and it wasnt just the front 4.  Mahomes had time on many occasions , and we got key PBUs, Bishop and others.

 

Have you considered that McD is finally calling the defense again and the secondary is getting dialed in?  They have a plan on getting Max more involved and Hancock as well.  

 

2 weeks in a row where defense steps the F up. and we are calling the secondary " a patchwork mess"?  Weird timing, I strongly disagree.

[boyst]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Yep agreed. Taron unfortunately has been a nightmare this season as well.

 

I don't know if it's a bold thing to say, but I think cam is an upgrade over Taron. At least at this point

I'm holding off on Johnson because I think he was over tasked. I think he turns it around. He's too smart not to 

[Simon]

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

I disagree.

 

They aren't a patchwork mess.   They will continue to get Max more % of snaps.  But they played well today --- Bishop, on down.  Many guys stepped up.  KC had been rolling and it wasnt just the front 4.  Mahomes had time on many occasions , and we got key PBUs, Bishop and others.

 

Have you considered that McD is finally calling the defense again and the secondary is getting dialed in?  They have a plan on getting Max more involved and Hancock as well.  

 

2 weeks in a row where defense steps the F up. and we are calling the secondary " a patchwork mess"?  Weird timing, I strongly disagree.

 

There's just too much confusion out there at key moments. It's better with McD having the call sheet, but it's still not good enough to get us where we want to go, imo.

The sooner they start committing to the younger guys to start and stay out there, the better off they're going to end up down the road.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, boyst said:

I'm holding off on Johnson because I think he was over tasked. I think he turns it around. He's too smart not to 

Let's hope. I think he's just cooked though.

 

29 years old with a lot of wear and tear going against twitchy slot receivers.

 

I hope you're right 

[ScotSHO]

I want to see the all 22 on the 4th and 17 conversion - I'm fairly sure KC intentionally left Bosa unblocked and he reacted to it like any DE would.  He backed off for a second and was looking for the screen, which is silly on 4th & 17 but it worked for KC. His instincts kicked in and it slowed his pass rush down - I don't blame him but it was crafty by ol' Andy.

[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

There's just too much confusion out there at key moments. It's better with McD having the call sheet, but it's still not good enough to get us where we want to go, imo.

The sooner they start committing to the younger guys to start and stay out there, the better off they're going to end up down the road.

Too much confusion?

 

For who, just us?  Mahomes goes below 50% and its just "our confusion"?

 

This was a masterclass by McD.  And best game from Bishop weve seen.  Secondary was dialed in for majority of game....21 points given up, id say we will take that any game against KC

 

Younger guys, I would agree about Max.  Hes on his way to getting more reps tho...whats the complaint there? 

 

Hancock, hes a rookie and what has he done to say get him on the field 100% right now?  He is learning and getting almost all reps in pass downs --- I'd say this whole point of giving young guys more reps is overblown.  Max will be getting most reps by playoff time and Hancock is getting the $ money downs entirely --- whats the issue here?

[NeverOutNick]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Bernard unfortunately was the culprit on at least a couple of those 3rd and longs today. Regardless of his contract and the C on his jersey, they need Thompson to be the full time starter when he's healthy. Awkward situation but you have to play the better performing player.

 

I agree they need to put Hairston out there full time. He hasn't had to cover any big time pass catchers yet (unless I missed him covering Rice tonight) but he's been erasing his matchup players. You can tell he's confident and full of energy.

 

Hancock I think I am okay rotating for now. He looks a bit lost and slow to react at times. Safety as we have seen is not an easy position to learn in this defense.

 

I wonder if Cam might just be better than Taron at this point... The Carolina tape was brutally bad for him. Maybe give him another week to "recover" and see how it goes.

I was tracking until you pulled out the cam line. Cam Lewis is just plain awful. Maybe Taron has lost a step and we need to play more 4-3 or slide someone else to nickel but no way is Cam Lewis on the field good for us defensively

[Not at the table Karlos]

6 hours ago, boyst said:

I'm holding off on Johnson because I think he was over tasked. I think he turns it around. He's too smart not to 

He started showing signs of slowing down last year and has slowed down a lot this year. He’s smart but is that enough when your body is beaten up and slowing down? 

Edited 1 hour ago by Not at the table Karlos

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Tulsabillsfanz said:

For me, one big reason we give up too many 3rd & longs is because we don’t blitz enough on 3rd & long…..or 4th & long.
 

 

This is definitely not the problem. 

7 hours ago, DJB said:

It’s because we play soft zone and guys have huge spaces to run free because we are trying to cover so much of the field

 

Zone D sucks on 3rd and long 

 

There was definitely one third and long where we played press man which allowed the Chiefs to pick Ingram at the line. Indeed last night we played press on a fair few 3rd downs. 

 

The long third down to Kelce was a breakdown in zone defense. The 4th and 17 was not on that it was on the defensive front who misplayed the play.

[Sojourner]

7 hours ago, boyst said:

Max Hairston will begin to do this as he finds his way in the league I would imagine. Benford isn't the physical type to do this, white is not able to anymore.  Strong will help.

 

Also, very impressed how good Cam Lewis was. I said before the game he is greatly underrated and almost criminally so.

 

His game last year to come in and shut KC down in the second half allowed us to almost win it 

Absolutely. #39 was solid in filling in for Taron. Underrated indeed. 

Edited 5 minutes ago by Sojourner