Roundybout Posted yesterday at 02:39 PM Posted yesterday at 02:39 PM 19 hours ago, B-Man said: The idea that reliance on government benefits leads to a return to family support undermines individual responsibility. Shouldn't we focus on empowering people to be self-sufficient rather than relying on SNAP? https://x.com/dogeunhinged/status/1985002924179849692 Okay so what policies do the GOP have that will make people more “self-sufficient”
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted yesterday at 02:40 PM Posted yesterday at 02:40 PM Just now, Roundybout said: Okay so what policies do the GOP have that will make people more “self-sufficient” Psst, it's not the governments job to make people self sufficient. 1 1 1
Roundybout Posted yesterday at 02:44 PM Posted yesterday at 02:44 PM 3 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Psst, it's not the governments job to make people self sufficient. In a perfect world perhaps, but this is real life
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted yesterday at 02:45 PM Posted yesterday at 02:45 PM Just now, Roundybout said: In a perfect world perhaps, but this is real life Might want to look at the definition of self sufficient, Big dawg. 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted yesterday at 03:35 PM Posted yesterday at 03:35 PM 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: If he doesn't remember pardoning this guy there are only 3 possibilities: he's lying He's demented Someone "signed" the pardon without his knowledge. That was already addressed upthread a bit. I believe Trump knows who he pardoned and utilized the power of his office for political purposes. It happens with regularity, so I don't really care. I do wonder, and asked Frankish for his feedback--how this supposed threat existential threat to our national security ended up being sentenced under the Biden admin to a whopping 90 days. What are your thoughts on that? To me, it seems reasonable to consider that the guy was pursued politically by the Biden DOJ. 90 days? 36 months sentence for being a threat to our country? By the way, NB suggested that the Trump admin would use a Biden auto-pen. That's demented, too.
All_Pro_Bills Posted yesterday at 03:41 PM Posted yesterday at 03:41 PM 58 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Okay so what policies do the GOP have that will make people more “self-sufficient” We know all the Democrat policies are designed to encourage dependency so maybe do the opposite? 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted yesterday at 04:54 PM Posted yesterday at 04:54 PM 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: By the way, NB suggested that the Trump admin would use a Biden auto-pen. That's demented, too. it's one of 3 possibilities. you chose lying.
Niagara Bill Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It seems clear to me you didn’t think this one through. It happens. As a gentleman and citizen of the world, I’ll move on. leh-nerd....if he denies knowing? I sincerely have always considered you an intelligent, right leaning, thinking person.... When Biden did this you found it unimaginable, even impeachable action. 1
milfandcookies Posted yesterday at 05:25 PM Posted yesterday at 05:25 PM 2 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Psst, it's not the governments job to make people self sufficient. personal accountability would be nice 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted yesterday at 05:53 PM Posted yesterday at 05:53 PM 57 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: it's one of 3 possibilities. you chose lying. It's referred to as "Pulling a Fergie". Nothing new. No thoughts on the 3 mos sentence for CZ?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted yesterday at 06:03 PM Posted yesterday at 06:03 PM 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It's referred to as "Pulling a Fergie". Nothing new. No thoughts on the 3 mos sentence for CZ? don't know enough about it. I'm more interested in the possibility of a trump auto pen. and no, that's "pulling a len": pretending that ugly maga truths don't exist or aren't worthy of discussion.
The Frankish Reich Posted yesterday at 06:12 PM Posted yesterday at 06:12 PM 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: To me, it seems reasonable to consider that the guy was pursued politically by the Biden DOJ. 90 days? 36 months sentence for being a threat to our country? Well, my explanation was that CZ's Binance showed a reckless disregard for where all that crypto he was handling came from. That's different than saying he was a cartel member/illegal arms broker, etc., attempting to lauder his own money through crypto. So the penalty reflects the offense. We learn in law school that there are different bases for criminal law and criminal prosecutions. There's punishment: you did a bad thing and you deserve it. There's incapacitation or specific deterrence: if you're in jail, or if you're barred from ever acting as a moneyman again, you personally can't do it again. There's general deterrence: other people will see what happens if you play fast and loose with the law This one was mostly about general deterrence, with a good dose of specific deterrence. And the pardon totally kills the latter and greatly weakens the former.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted yesterday at 06:13 PM Posted yesterday at 06:13 PM 33 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: leh-nerd....if he denies knowing? I sincerely have always considered you an intelligent, right leaning, thinking person.... When Biden did this you found it unimaginable, even impeachable action. I'm happy to review any of my past comments where I suggested Biden lying was an "unimaginable, even impeachable action". I have stated, emphatically, that Biden has lied the entirety of his career in office. And, that he's made racially insensitive statements during his time in office. And, that he was pretty handsy with many of the ladies in his orbit. I even recall speaking with you about that---ooops, wait, it may have been another poster, Bob in Mich. Perhaps you know of him? I always considered him an intelligent, left leaning thinking person. Anyway, my premise has long been that righteous indignation that Trump lies was neither righteous nor true indignation, simply that you guys like your liars from a different political party. On the issue of impeachment...probably the greatest travesty of the Biden years was raiding Trump's house, taking material unrelated to whatever investigation they were doing, and leaking selectively to the press to shape a narrative. I assumed, correctly as it turned out, that most politicians at that level would have a fair amount of classified/top secret documents in their possession. I also suggested part of the problem was at that level, classified/top secret seemed to be handled as "Do whatever you want". Still, my point of view was that these people play at the "Above the law" level, that's just the way it is. I'd have been fine with Biden did it, Trump did it, Clinton did it....a little humble pie, a few delicious soundbites, whatever. However, when the Biden DOJ escalates, the R party needs to respond in kind when they are in charge. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted yesterday at 06:19 PM Posted yesterday at 06:19 PM 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, my explanation was that CZ's Binance showed a reckless disregard for where all that crypto he was handling came from. That's different than saying he was a cartel member/illegal arms broker, etc., attempting to lauder his own money through crypto. So the penalty reflects the offense. We learn in law school that there are different bases for criminal law and criminal prosecutions. There's punishment: you did a bad thing and you deserve it. There's incapacitation or specific deterrence: if you're in jail, or if you're barred from ever acting as a moneyman again, you personally can't do it again. There's general deterrence: other people will see what happens if you play fast and loose with the law This one was mostly about general deterrence, with a good dose of specific deterrence. And the pardon totally kills the latter and greatly weakens the former. Thanks for the extended explanation. As an average citizen, trying to trust that justice is blind and not partisan, I can only look at outcomes relative to what we are told. From my perspective, it looks pretty bad for the Biden DOJ's assessment of what he was accused of v what the outcome was. Maybe that's just a marketing problem. The pardon seems exactly like what might happen in that sort of case. 16 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: don't know enough about it. I'm more interested in the possibility of a trump auto pen. and no, that's "pulling a len": pretending that ugly maga truths don't exist or aren't worthy of discussion. I literally discussed it. Multiple times. With Frank. With NB. With you. The record is clear, and stop trying to steal my insults!
The Frankish Reich Posted yesterday at 06:21 PM Posted yesterday at 06:21 PM 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Thanks for the extended explanation. As an average citizen, trying to trust that justice is blind and not partisan, I can only look at outcomes relative to what we are told. From my perspective, it looks pretty bad for the Biden DOJ's assessment of what he was accused of v what the outcome was. Maybe that's just a marketing problem. The pardon seems exactly like what might happen in that sort of case. Well, the fact that Biden's DOJ didn't seek a lengthier sentence kind of pales in comparison to Trump's pardon? And remember: Trump ostensibly doesn't even know who he is. Yet he pardoned him. President Autosharpie.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted yesterday at 06:31 PM Posted yesterday at 06:31 PM 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, the fact that Biden's DOJ didn't seek a lengthier sentence kind of pales in comparison to Trump's pardon? And remember: Trump ostensibly doesn't even know who he is. Yet he pardoned him. President Autosharpie. I think the fact that the Biden DOJ sought three years, and he was ultimately sentenced to 90 days is pretty interesting as it relates to what the guy did, or didn't do. Typical white collar crime on a large scale. No need to remind me on Trump's comments, it was yesterday. I've already addressed that. I'll take it one step further--I do not think, generally, that a President sits, reviews, and deeply considers the ramifications of every pardon they grant or decline. I don't think they are round-tabled, that victim impact statements are sought or considered. I think recommendations are made, political relevance and the greater good for candidate and party are taken into consideration, and off we go. I think people tend to look very closely at things like this, but only when it's the other guy doing it. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think the fact that the Biden DOJ sought three years, and he was ultimately sentenced to 90 days is pretty interesting as it relates to what the guy did, or didn't do. Typical white collar crime on a large scale. No need to remind me on Trump's comments, it was yesterday. I've already addressed that. I'll take it one step further--I do not think, generally, that a President sits, reviews, and deeply considers the ramifications of every pardon they grant or decline. I don't think they are round-tabled, that victim impact statements are sought or considered. I think recommendations are made, political relevance and the greater good for candidate and party are taken into consideration, and off we go. I think people tend to look very closely at things like this, but only when it's the other guy doing it. we know two things: A pardon was signed, ostensibly by trump trump denies knowledge of the man. 3 possible explanations, Your second paragraph still allows for all 3 but seems to lean towards lying although it could equally suggest autopen. 1
SectionC3 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 23 hours ago, Pokebball said: That's why it bothers me that we are giving so much to non Americans 20b to Argentina is a lot of scratch, especially right now. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 49 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: we know two things: A pardon was signed, ostensibly by trump trump denies knowledge of the man. 3 possible explanations, Your second paragraph still allows for all 3 but seems to lean towards lying although it could equally suggest autopen. I cannot speak for you, but I actually know these things to be true: 1. Trump acknowledged pardoning CZ; 2. . Trump's statement from the interview: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/03/trump-60-minutes-binance-cz-pardon.html “I don’t know the man at all. I don’t think I ever met him,” Trump went on. “I have no idea who he is. I was told that he was a victim, just like I was and just like many other people, of a vicious, horrible group of people in the Biden administration.” 3. You typed these words, about me: ...pretending that ugly maga truths don't exist or aren't worthy of discussion... This is patently and demonstrably false. Whether you struggle with comprehension, the truth (well we know that already), or lose focus I cannot say. Maybe see a doctor about that. Edited 22 hours ago by leh-nerd skin-erd
The Frankish Reich Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago Or it could be that Trump's crypto supporters (including now his 3 sons) just admire the entrepreneurs who have figured out how to exploit crypto to allow people to buy all the fentanyl and heroin their buyers desire. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o The pardon of the Silk Road founder, a truly inexplicable one for a guy who's ready to Blame Canada for drug trafficking while he pardons a real live knowing drug trafficker.
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