Kincaid Shakir and especially Cook need to be focal points of the passing attack

[LABILLBACKER]

On 10/14/2025 at 3:41 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect, but this isn't how you can look at what his ceiling is.  This is the 2nd year in a row where our offense is geared around putting the ball into 8-10 different receivers hands per game, including consistently getting 3rd string players involved.  We are getting targets for 3 different TE's, 3 different RB's, 5 different WR's and every week.  Samuel, Shavers, Moore, Knox, Hawes, Davis, Ty, etc all getting targets on top of Keon, Palmer, Shakir, Kincaid, Cook.

 

Its a function of the offense, not the ability of the player.  Look at Diggs in the same season under Dorsey then under Brady.  Diggs was on pace for 2nd biggest season of his career under Dorsey, then under Brady his production fell off a cliff and over those final 7 games it was Shakir who led the team in receiving despite Diggs getting twice as many targets.  

 

I mean its clear as day its the offensive design limiting anyone players ceiling here for individual statistics in the passing game.  Look at Samuel before Buffalo and in Buffalo.  Look at Moore before Buffalo and in Buffalo.  Look at Cooper before Buffalo and in Buffalo.  Why is everyones yardage total significantly lower here under Brady than it was before Brady?  Because the offense does not focus on any one WR, no one gets proper targets, its literally designed to be anyone on any given play.  

 

So no disrespect, but hard disagree that Shakir's ceiling is being reached by being in this offense.  

 

 

Exactly,  Brady is deluting the offensive talent by spreading out targets to 11 different players.  Even though 4-5 of these guys shouldn't even be seeing the ball unless someone gets injured. Identify your top receivers and target them. Stop wasting targets on 3rd string players. Kincaid, Shakir, Palmer, Cook and Coleman (last resort) are getting all the looks. And whoever we pu at the trade deadline can take Keon's targets. 

 

This offense shouldn't be about quantity (everybody eats) but QUALITY. The same strategy should be practiced with our DL.  Let Oliver and Walker play 70% snaps.

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Palmer and Kincaid are the only players that can get open and catch the ball past 10 yards. So when they were both out after 6 snaps on offense, we were severely limited in what we could do vs Atlanta.

 

No joke, we might need Gabe Davis to suit up and see what he can do. Hopefully he is recovered soon.

laugh emoji up from me

But your points are valid

[3rdand12]

8 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Cook not being involved inthe passing game is absolute bull####. Yes, he has had some critical drops. But he has also got open….unlike anyone we ***** have on this roster! 

If they are a blitzing team ?

 you need  2 HB set , a Gilliam in there and 2-3 TEs. heck do the six man line thing Bills made work

Take back the line of scrimmage if you want to earn a 1-1 downfield with time to throw

[BillsFanForever19]

You need more than Kincaid and Shakir in the passing game. As we saw against Atlanta, one of them goes down, the other is focused on, and no one else can step up.

 

Maybe Palmer or Samuel could have provided more in the second half. But clearly Coleman, Moore, Shavers, and Knox equates to nothing. 

 

The problem is clearly that teams have realized since the first few weeks that we have no one who can get open on any sort of consistent basis. So focus on containing Cook as best you can and force Josh to have to beat us with his downfield passing options.

 

Even Shakir has difficulties getting open. Most of his big plays are YAC on quick passes. The week before Kincaid was the only guy getting open with any sort of consistency.

 

Really need someone else in here. Especially with Palmer down for a while.

[Walking Tall]

2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

If they are a blitzing team ?

 you need  2 HB set , a Gilliam in there and 2-3 TEs. heck do the six man line thing Bills made work

Take back the line of scrimmage if you want to earn a 1-1 downfield with time to throw

One or two dumps over that blitz to Cook will slow that rush down. Cook just need to chip a rusher and continue into his route. Big plays will happen.

[Chicharito]

Ty Johnson needs to be incorporated. 

[ganesh]

16 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly,  Brady is deluting the offensive talent by spreading out targets to 11 different players.  Even though 4-5 of these guys shouldn't even be seeing the ball unless someone gets injured. Identify your top receivers and target them. Stop wasting targets on 3rd string players. Kincaid, Shakir, Palmer, Cook and Coleman (last resort) are getting all the looks. And whoever we pu at the trade deadline can take Keon's targets. 

 

This offense shouldn't be about quantity (everybody eats) but QUALITY. The same strategy should be practiced with our DL.  Let Oliver and Walker play 70% snaps.

agree...we wasted so many plays on Shavers and Moore.