Doc Brown Posted October 30 Posted October 30 On 10/28/2025 at 7:36 PM, JDHillFan said: The only thing standing in the way of congress doing their job is 6 democrat senators willing to put country over party and voting exactly as they did earlier this year. Maybe they should throw them a bone then instead and not have to get 100% of what they want and extend the tax care credits. Maybe 98% of what they want would be okay. They don't have a supermajority here. They obviously don't have a health care alternative plan and very few voters give a crap about the rising federal debt. It should be a really simple fix. 1
JDHillFan Posted October 30 Posted October 30 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Maybe they should throw them a bone then instead and not have to get 100% of what they want and extend the tax care credits. Maybe 98% of what they want would be okay. They don't have a supermajority here. They obviously don't have a health care alternative plan and very few voters give a crap about the rising federal debt. It should be a really simple fix. The Democrats should make sure that hungry people get fed, the military gets paid, government employees get back to work, and air traffic controllers get paid. They can negotiate the ACA afterwards. It will only take six of them to do the right thing. Or they can use hunger and lack of paychecks as leverage.
Doc Brown Posted October 30 Posted October 30 21 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: The Democrats should make sure that hungry people get fed, the military gets paid, government employees get back to work, and air traffic controllers get paid. They can negotiate the ACA afterwards. It will only take six of them to do the right thing. Or they can use hunger and lack of paychecks as leverage. Negotiate it now.
JDHillFan Posted October 30 Posted October 30 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Negotiate it now. Fund the government now. Exactly as they did a few months back. Or use everyday people as leverage.
Doc Brown Posted October 30 Posted October 30 22 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Fund the government now. Exactly as they did a few months back. Or use everyday people as leverage. Problem with that is it significantly weakens Democrats bargaining power with healthcare in the future. They've got to be a party that stands for something. It cuts both ways when using everyday people as leverage. GOP could just as easily agree to extend the ACA tax credits.
JDHillFan Posted October 30 Posted October 30 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Problem with that is it significantly weakens Democrats bargaining power with healthcare in the future. They've got to be a party that stands for something. It cuts both ways when using everyday people as leverage. GOP could just as easily agree to extend the ACA tax credits. Based on the above, your position appears to be that the GOP should take action now so that Democrat bargaining power with healthcare is not significantly weakened in the future. That’s an opinion! I side with the AFGE on the matter.
Doc Brown Posted October 30 Posted October 30 5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Based on the above, your position appears to be that the GOP should take action now so that Democrat bargaining power with healthcare is not significantly weakened in the future. That’s an opinion! I side with the AFGE on the matter. Yeah. I get where the AFGE is coming from but if they do pass a continuing resolution right now Americans likely will pay even higher health care premiums in the future.
JDHillFan Posted October 30 Posted October 30 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Yeah. I get where the AFGE is coming from but if they do pass a continuing resolution right now Americans likely will pay even higher health care premiums in the future. And the party in power will probably pay the price for that. I suspect when push comes to shove the Republicans will bend. No point in doing it now while the Democrats are shooting themselves in the balls.
BillsFanNC Posted October 30 Posted October 30 Im certain that the art of the deal guy will surely cave to Dems negotiating in bad faith. It will definitely work. 🤣 1
Wolfgang Posted October 30 Posted October 30 37 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Problem with that is it significantly weakens Democrats bargaining power with healthcare in the future. They've got to be a party that stands for something. It cuts both ways when using everyday people as leverage. GOP could just as easily agree to extend the ACA tax credits. You believe that the Republicans should voluntarily hand leverage over to the Democrats?
unbillievable Posted October 30 Posted October 30 Is there a food drive on Saturday to save all these people from starving? I have a can of creamed corn. 1 1
JDHillFan Posted October 30 Posted October 30 1 minute ago, unbillievable said: Is there a food drive on Saturday to save all these people from starving? I have a can of creamed corn. 1
Doc Brown Posted October 30 Posted October 30 5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: And the party in power will probably pay the price for that. I suspect when push comes to shove the Republicans will bend. No point in doing it now while the Democrats are shooting themselves in the balls. Just approve the enhanced ACA tax credits now. It really doesn't seem like it's that hard. 2 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: You believe that the Republicans should voluntarily hand leverage over to the Democrats? God forbid a political party does that in this country.
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 30 Posted October 30 12 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: And the party in power will probably pay the price for that. I suspect when push comes to shove the Republicans will bend. No point in doing it now while the Democrats are shooting themselves in the balls. Obama"s goal with the ACA was always to drive up health care costs to facilitate the adoption of a single payer system. Rising costs isn't a bug it's a feature. 1 1 2
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted October 30 Posted October 30 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Just approve the enhanced ACA tax credits now. It really doesn't seem like it's that hard. God forbid a political party does that in this country. Why don't the dems just pass the bill as is? 1
JDHillFan Posted October 30 Posted October 30 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Just approve the enhanced ACA tax credits now. It really doesn't seem like it's that hard. God forbid a political party does that in this country. I would rather my tax dollars and those of young people across the country not be used to subsidize health insurance for families making up to 600k annually. Just don’t approve them now.
JFKjr Posted October 30 Posted October 30 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Obama"s goal with the ACA was always to drive up health care costs to facilitate the adoption of a single payer system. Rising costs isn't a bug it's a feature. I think the ultimate goal is to force a single payer system that covers all. Then everyone will have the same healthcare as illegals, and the rich will have a separate system of private insurance similar to how it works in the U.K. Ultimately this will cut down on unnecessary tests and doctor visit (overuse of the system when it's inexpensive or free for some people) because the waiting times to get these things will go up massively. And even among the universal healthcare nations, Canada doesn't rank all that well. 1
Doc Brown Posted October 30 Posted October 30 6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Why don't the dems just pass the bill as is? Because they like to keep their jobs.
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