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13 hours ago, SCBills said:


Does this sound, at all, sustainable to you?

nope.  Either the supplements get reinstated,  millions of people who are currently insured become uninsured or we go to a Medicare for all model.  My friend's no fool.  The more I think about it, the more I suspect his concerns are warranted.  We've had the discussion before.  He knows I'm for universal coverage.  I didn't rub it in.  Honestly, I was shocked.

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3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

nope.  Either the supplements get reinstated,  millions of people who are currently insured become uninsured or we go to a Medicare for all model.  My friend's no fool.  The more I think about it, the more I suspect his concerns are warranted.  We've had the discussion before.  He knows I'm for universal coverage.  I didn't rub it in.  Honestly, I was shocked.


I wouldn’t argue with this.  
 

The ACA was a lie.  You can be for covering pre-existing conditions (I am) but the lie it would lower costs was intentional because they knew it would never pass without that lie. 
 

I don’t even know how capitalism survives the next 30-40 years if I’m being honest.  
 

Once AI destroys industries and results in massive layoffs, no one will own anything and most will be dependent upon the government for more than just healthcare.  

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On 10/28/2025 at 7:36 PM, JDHillFan said:

The only thing standing in the way of congress doing their job is 6 democrat senators willing to put country over party and voting exactly as they did earlier this year. 

Maybe they should throw them a bone then instead and not have to get 100% of what they want and extend the tax care credits.  Maybe 98% of what they want would be okay.  They don't have a supermajority here.  They obviously don't have a health care alternative plan and very few voters give a crap about the rising federal debt.  It should be a really simple fix.

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1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Maybe they should throw them a bone then instead and not have to get 100% of what they want and extend the tax care credits.  Maybe 98% of what they want would be okay.  They don't have a supermajority here.  They obviously don't have a health care alternative plan and very few voters give a crap about the rising federal debt.  It should be a really simple fix.

The Democrats should make sure that hungry people get fed, the military gets paid, government employees get back to work, and air traffic controllers get paid. They can negotiate the ACA afterwards. It will only take six of them to do the right thing.

 

Or they can use hunger and lack of paychecks as leverage. 

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21 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

The Democrats should make sure that hungry people get fed, the military gets paid, government employees get back to work, and air traffic controllers get paid. They can negotiate the ACA afterwards. It will only take six of them to do the right thing.

 

Or they can use hunger and lack of paychecks as leverage. 

Negotiate it now.  

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4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Negotiate it now.  

Fund the government now. Exactly as they did a few months back. Or use everyday people as leverage. 

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22 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Fund the government now. Exactly as they did a few months back. Or use everyday people as leverage. 

Problem with that is it significantly weakens Democrats bargaining power with healthcare in the future.  They've got to be a party that stands for something.  It cuts both ways when using everyday people as leverage.  GOP could just as easily agree to extend the ACA tax credits. 

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3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Problem with that is it significantly weakens Democrats bargaining power with healthcare in the future.  They've got to be a party that stands for something.  It cuts both ways when using everyday people as leverage.  GOP could just as easily agree to extend the ACA tax credits. 

Based on the above, your position appears to be that the GOP should take action now so that Democrat bargaining power with healthcare is not significantly weakened in the future. That’s an opinion!

 

I side with the AFGE on the matter. 

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5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Based on the above, your position appears to be that the GOP should take action now so that Democrat bargaining power with healthcare is not significantly weakened in the future. That’s an opinion!

 

I side with the AFGE on the matter. 

Yeah.  I get where the AFGE is coming from but if they do pass a continuing resolution right now Americans likely will pay even higher health care premiums in the future.

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2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  I get where the AFGE is coming from but if they do pass a continuing resolution right now Americans likely will pay even higher health care premiums in the future.

And the party in power will probably pay the price for that. I suspect when push comes to shove the Republicans will bend. No point in doing it now while the Democrats are shooting themselves in the balls.

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37 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Problem with that is it significantly weakens Democrats bargaining power with healthcare in the future.  They've got to be a party that stands for something.  It cuts both ways when using everyday people as leverage.  GOP could just as easily agree to extend the ACA tax credits. 

 

 

 

You believe that the Republicans should voluntarily hand leverage over to the Democrats?

 

 

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1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

Is there a food drive on Saturday to save all these people from starving?

 

I have a can of creamed corn. 

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5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

And the party in power will probably pay the price for that. I suspect when push comes to shove the Republicans will bend. No point in doing it now while the Democrats are shooting themselves in the balls.

Just approve the enhanced ACA tax credits now.  It really doesn't seem like it's that hard.

2 minutes ago, Wolfgang said:

You believe that the Republicans should voluntarily hand leverage over to the Democrats?

God forbid a political party does that in this country. 

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12 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

And the party in power will probably pay the price for that. I suspect when push comes to shove the Republicans will bend. No point in doing it now while the Democrats are shooting themselves in the balls.

Obama"s goal with the ACA was always to drive up health care costs to facilitate the adoption of a single payer system. Rising costs isn't a bug it's a feature. 

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