LeviF Posted September 25 Posted September 25 This is what PPP needed, a near-fatal dose of irony. 1 1 3 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 25 Author Posted September 25 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LeviF said: This is what PPP needed, a near-fatal dose of irony. you call me out on fallacies and I'll call you out from here on. Deal? Edited September 25 by Joe Ferguson forever
LeviF Posted September 25 Posted September 25 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: you call me out on fallacies and I'll call you out from here on. Deal? I'll be honest, I didn't even read the initial post. Odd title if that was the point. Also, no deal. "Lying" isn't a "fallacy" and it's the rhetorical device you (this would mean the collective "you" of leftists) weaponize the most. But you can have this: when I rightly call into question your integrity and honesty, you can scream "ad hominem!" all you want, your reddit-addled brain not understanding that ad hominem is a valid rhetorical device, not a fallacy, under such circumstances. 1 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 25 Author Posted September 25 (edited) 22 minutes ago, LeviF said: I'll be honest, I didn't even read the initial post. Odd title if that was the point. Also, no deal. "Lying" isn't a "fallacy" and it's the rhetorical device you (this would mean the collective "you" of leftists) weaponize the most. But you can have this: when I rightly call into question your integrity and honesty, you can scream "ad hominem!" all you want, your reddit-addled brain not understanding that ad hominem is a valid rhetorical device, not a fallacy, under such circumstances. Of course not. Fallacies are the basis of many or your arguments. The only place "lying" could be present in an argument is when a conclusion is based on false premises. Fallacies are present in the formation of a conclusion from the premises. All are fair game for criticism. But "tricks" as Orlando called fallacies, are often purposely and stealthily used to deceive. I'm not on reddit. Edited September 25 by Joe Ferguson forever
Wolfgang Posted September 25 Posted September 25 1 hour ago, LeviF said: This is what PPP needed, a near-fatal dose of irony. True...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 25 Author Posted September 25 41 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: ⬆️ 😂 more cartoons from maga. sad.
Pokebball Posted September 25 Posted September 25 16 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: lots of truth. we don't always find it. But it's there. well then, you answered your own question
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 25 Author Posted September 25 6 minutes ago, Pokebball said: well then, you answered your own question yes. And logic is the best way to get there.
Pokebball Posted September 25 Posted September 25 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: yes. And logic is the best way to get there. Not always, apparently
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 25 Author Posted September 25 (edited) "up to". weasel word. when I have time I'll look up this persons expertise in these matters. why would an economist be considered an expert on scientific studies? Search Assist Peter St. Onge is an American economist and commentator known for his libertarian views on taxation and government regulation. He frequently discusses economic trends in media and has been critical of federal income taxes and inflationary policies. Wikipedia Overview of Peter St. Onge Peter St. Onge is an American economist and commentator known for his libertarian views. He is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation and frequently discusses economic trends and public policy in various media outlets. Edited September 25 by Joe Ferguson forever
Pokebball Posted September 25 Posted September 25 22 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: "up to". weasel word. when I have time I'll look up this persons expertise in these matters. why would an economist be considered an expert on scientific studies? Search Assist Peter St. Onge is an American economist and commentator known for his libertarian views on taxation and government regulation. He frequently discusses economic trends in media and has been critical of federal income taxes and inflationary policies. Wikipedia Overview of Peter St. Onge Peter St. Onge is an American economist and commentator known for his libertarian views. He is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation and frequently discusses economic trends and public policy in various media outlets. my gosh, why would you consider him an expert?
The Frankish Reich Posted September 25 Posted September 25 23 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: "up to". weasel word. when I have time I'll look up this persons expertise in these matters. why would an economist be considered an expert on scientific studies? Search Assist Peter St. Onge is an American economist and commentator known for his libertarian views on taxation and government regulation. He frequently discusses economic trends in media and has been critical of federal income taxes and inflationary policies. Wikipedia Overview of Peter St. Onge Peter St. Onge is an American economist and commentator known for his libertarian views. He is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation and frequently discusses economic trends and public policy in various media outlets. Yes, but there is something called the replication crisis, primarily in "softer" fields like psychology. 1
Wolfgang Posted September 25 Posted September 25 24 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: "up to". weasel word. when I have time I'll look up this persons expertise in these matters. why would an economist be considered an expert on scientific studies? Search Assist Peter St. Onge is an American economist and commentator known for his libertarian views on taxation and government regulation. He frequently discusses economic trends in media and has been critical of federal income taxes and inflationary policies. Wikipedia Overview of Peter St. Onge Peter St. Onge is an American economist and commentator known for his libertarian views. He is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation and frequently discusses economic trends and public policy in various media outlets.
LeviF Posted September 25 Posted September 25 Economists might be the last "social scientists" to have a shred of honesty. 1 1
Andy1 Posted September 25 Posted September 25 On 9/24/2025 at 11:00 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: This is not about one particular issue. It's about absolutes. Are there any? Does logic exist? Does truth exist? Is it important? We all use logical fallacies in our arguments, some more than others. But would it be preferable to avoid them or not purposefully use them at all? I think there are absolutes and that logic exists and is vital towards the search for truth which we all should want. https://academicinfluence.com/inflection/study-guides/logical-fallacies#tu-quoque A common fallacy deployed here lately has been "everyone does it so it's ok for he/me to do it". I think this is a variation on #7 in the above link. Ad hominems, appeals to authority, straw men and non sequiturs are in abundance here as well, from both sides.. Would it make for better debate if we tried to avoid these? Or is that unrealistic or simply wrong? I actually read the linked article and found it interesting. PPP is overflowing with examples of fallacies people use to prove others are wrong. Logic can be hard to find here. In a world of black vs white, grey can be hard to find. Also, politics and logic are completely different realms in today’s world. Truth is what we think we know now, based on logical conclusions from the available knowledge. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 25 Author Posted September 25 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Andy1 said: I actually read the linked article and found it interesting. PPP is overflowing with examples of fallacies people use to prove others are wrong. Logic can be hard to find here. In a world of black vs white, grey can be hard to find. Also, politics and logic are completely different realms in today’s world. Truth is what we think we know now, based on logical conclusions from the available knowledge. I thought the examples in the article were great. I also wasn’t aware of some of the fallacies described. I find logic fascinating. It’s really applied mathematics imo. 1 hour ago, Pokebball said: my gosh, why would you consider him an expert? Why would you consider him an authority on scientific research and then appeal to his authority? See how this works? Edited September 25 by Joe Ferguson forever
JDHillFan Posted September 25 Posted September 25 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I thought the examples in the article were great. I also wasn’t aware of some of the fallacies described. I find logic fascinating. It’s really applied mathematics imo. Why would you consider him an authority on scientific research and then appeal to his authority? See how this works? On many occasions you have babbled on foolishly about the “banning of books” when in reality, no books have been banned. Below is one such example of your inane ramblings. The question - were you engaging in fallacy or outright lying through your teeth? On 3/23/2023 at 10:33 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: banning books is a slippery slope to banning more forms of artistic expression...oh, and more books. and contraception. I'm glad u asked. can we agree that reproduction is vital to the continued existence of a species?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 25 Author Posted September 25 16 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: On many occasions you have babbled on foolishly about the “banning of books” when in reality, no books have been banned. Below is one such example of your inane ramblings. The question - were you engaging in fallacy or outright lying through your teeth? https://www.pnj.com/story/news/education/2023/09/22/florida-leads-nation-in-book-bans-full-list-of-banned-books/70934406007/ 1
JDHillFan Posted September 25 Posted September 25 13 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: https://www.pnj.com/story/news/education/2023/09/22/florida-leads-nation-in-book-bans-full-list-of-banned-books/70934406007/ Literally none of those books is banned. Each and every one can be purchased at will. I will ask again - are you engaging in fallacy or just lying outright? Either way, you are an absolute jackass.
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