AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 11 Posted September 11 11 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I am not justifying it. It’s just part of my job to analyze neighborhoods and the outcomes of living in squalor The outcome is you have more obstacles in your way. It doesn't justify taking a shortcut. 1 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 11 Posted September 11 14 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Why do you think this is? Inherent mental deficiencies, or a product of poverty and shattered communities owning to decades of disinvestment and racial prejudice through the late 20th century? There are more white people in poverty than black people and yet the white people still aren't anywhere near as violent. The issue is that white people are getting targeted and if we bring that up, we're racist. Half of the Jewish people were killed just 80 years ago. Literally oppressed and killed. What happened since? Richest subculture in the world. Koreans didn't start coming to the US until the 80's. They are one of the richest subcultures in the US now. The Irish were slaves here. The Chinese were slaves here. The US has wealthiest black culture in the WORLD. No other country has more black millionaires. Blacks account for 8% of the total millionaire population in the US and they are only 13% of the population. Per capita that is incredibly HIGH. Yeah, if you're black, you can't make money. 1 2
Roundybout Posted September 11 Posted September 11 4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: The outcome is you have more obstacles in your way. It doesn't justify taking a shortcut. Yes, and that should be commended. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work hard to remove the obstacles. 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: There are more white people in poverty than black people and yet the white people still aren't anywhere near as violent. The issue is that white people are getting targeted and if we bring that up, we're racist. Half of the Jewish people were killed just 80 years ago. Literally oppressed and killed. What happened since? Richest subculture in the world. Koreans didn't start coming to the US until the 80's. They are one of the richest subcultures in the US now. The Irish were slaves here. The Chinese were slaves here. The US has wealthiest black culture in the WORLD. No other country has more black millionaires. Blacks account for 8% of the total millionaire population in the US and they are only 13% of the population. Per capita that is incredibly HIGH. Yeah, if you're black, you can't make money. Yes but much of that wealth is from athletics, music, movies, etc. Where is the generational wealth tied into homes, trust funds, college degrees, and so forth?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 11 Posted September 11 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Yes, and that should be commended. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work hard to remove the obstacles. Yes but much of that wealth is from athletics, music, movies, etc. Where is the generational wealth tied into homes, trust funds, college degrees, and so forth? Speaking from experience not coming from a 2 parent home is by far the biggest factor that plaques the black community. I had to learn so much about being a man from strangers or coworkers. 1 1 2
SectionC3 Posted September 11 Posted September 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, boyst said: Mass shootings was redefined almost 20 years ago from +3 victims to 2+1 the shooter. When you dig deeper you find more problems than you want to realize. But those headlines are great. The problem with any violence is 1 victim is too many. Completely agree on the last line. It’s an interesting point in the context of this dialogue. I listened to what Kirk said about trans mass shootings before he was murdered. I agree with his point that there are too many trans mass shooters. One is too many, and there are more than one. I also understand why that point pisses some people off because it lacks the nuance that trans people probably are not over represented as mass shooters and can be taken to paint that group with a broad brush (as overrepresented mass shooters). This is not to say that the absence of nuance in any way justifies this heinous violence. I just … noticed it as sort of emblematic of why people don’t listen to each other and why we have this struggle with reasonable dialogue in this country today. We all have to listen better and respect each other more. Edited September 11 by SectionC3
Royale with Cheese Posted September 11 Posted September 11 5 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Yes, and that should be commended. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work hard to remove the obstacles. Yes but much of that wealth is from athletics, music, movies, etc. Where is the generational wealth tied into homes, trust funds, college degrees, and so forth? No it is not, that is a lie. There is roughly 2 million millionaire black people in the US. Most of the black millionaires are millionaires through entrepreneurship, specifically in technology. Just like every race. Why is it the governments responsibility to give generational wealth? I don't have a trust fund. I got a scholarship for college. Minorities have more scholarship and grant opportunities in this country than any other country. I saved up and bought an investment property. It's grown about $150,000 over the last 5 years because of the area it's in. What prevented a black person or any other minority from buying that property? I didn't get any government assistance with the down payment, that came from my savings. Oh and you want to know something else, I was working two jobs because I was paying child support and alimony at the time. So it was EXTREMEMLY difficult for me to do it but I still did it. Did that happen because I was white or did it happen because I worked hard for it? Are you under the impression that every white person has generational wealth or something?
SectionC3 Posted September 11 Posted September 11 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Yes, and that should be commended. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work hard to remove the obstacles. Yes but much of that wealth is from athletics, music, movies, etc. Where is the generational wealth tied into homes, trust funds, college degrees, and so forth? Agreed. One of the things that pisses me off about young entitled (mostly white) people. I worked my ass off to get where I am. Scrimped, saved, invested, did the stuff nobody else wants to do. And when I see these slovenly entitled little ***** using mommy and daddy’s money for that house or this car and then blaming others for their “plight” it really rubs me the wrong way. Edited September 11 by SectionC3
Walking Tall Posted September 11 Author Posted September 11 This one just hits different. IMO, it is worse than Trump. Charlie Kirk was just a citizen with a message. A message many Conservatives agreed with and rallied around. I believe things are about to get real bad. 1
SectionC3 Posted September 11 Posted September 11 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: No it is not, that is a lie. There is roughly 2 million millionaire black people in the US. Most of the black millionaires are millionaires through entrepreneurship, specifically in technology. Just like every race. Why is it the governments responsibility to give generational wealth? I don't have a trust fund. I got a scholarship for college. Minorities have more scholarship and grant opportunities in this country than any other country. I saved up and bought an investment property. It's grown about $150,000 over the last 5 years because of the area it's in. What prevented a black person or any other minority from buying that property? I didn't get any government assistance with the down payment, that came from my savings. Oh and you want to know something else, I was working two jobs because I was paying child support and alimony at the time. So it was EXTREMEMLY difficult for me to do it but I still did it. Did that happen because I was white or did it happen because I worked hard for it? Are you under the impression that every white person has generational wealth or something? I get where you’re coming from. It’s why people are pissed off and the working class voted against its own financial interest. All you’ve done is work. You’re not the problem. You’re the solution. You should be respected, and treated fairly. We gotta give people an equal shot in this country - I don’t think anyone disputes that. But we can’t unlevel the field or cure historical racism and sexism with more racism and more sexism. That is not the way. 1
Lost Posted September 11 Posted September 11 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Agreed. One of the things that kissed me off about young entitled (mostly white) people. I worked my ass off to get where I am. Scrimped, saved, invested, did the stuff nobody else wants to do. And when I see these slovenly entitled little ***** using mommy and daddy’s money for that house or this car and then blaming others for their “plight” it really rubs me the wrong way. How does it rub you when a flood of immigrants come and get free food, free housing subsidies, free medical care etc?
Royale with Cheese Posted September 11 Posted September 11 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: I get where you’re coming from. It’s why people are pissed off and the working class voted against its own financial interest. All you’ve done is work. You’re not the problem. You’re the solution. You should be respected, and treated fairly. We gotta give people an equal shot in this country - I don’t think anyone disputes that. But we can’t unlevel the field or cure historical racism and sexism with more racism and more sexism. That is not the way. Everybody has the same opportunity here. There isn't an unlevel playing field. Anyone can be successful if they work at it. I mean hell, you can get rich now just posting content on social media. Anyone can be successful here....anyone. 1
Roundybout Posted September 11 Posted September 11 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: No it is not, that is a lie. There is roughly 2 million millionaire black people in the US. Most of the black millionaires are millionaires through entrepreneurship, specifically in technology. Just like every race. Why is it the governments responsibility to give generational wealth? I don't have a trust fund. I got a scholarship for college. Minorities have more scholarship and grant opportunities in this country than any other country. I saved up and bought an investment property. It's grown about $150,000 over the last 5 years because of the area it's in. What prevented a black person or any other minority from buying that property? I didn't get any government assistance with the down payment, that came from my savings. Oh and you want to know something else, I was working two jobs because I was paying child support and alimony at the time. So it was EXTREMEMLY difficult for me to do it but I still did it. Did that happen because I was white or did it happen because I worked hard for it? Are you under the impression that every white person has generational wealth or something? It’s not the governments job at all. But think about it: In the early 20th century, Black people were generally limited to mediocre jobs due to barriers to entry like limited education. In part due to policies like redlining, they were prohibited from getting mortgages in certain parts of cities and were limited to the slums. Now, when you’re stuck renting a derelict old house and working at the smelting yard for minimum wage, you’re not going to be able to leave anything behind you. Thus, your kids won’t have much. Black schools were historically worse than white ones, so the cycle continued. When you have no hope for the future, it’s easy to turn to living in the moment, riding with gangs and whatnot. About 8% of America’s millionaires are Black. Only 1% of Black Americans with a high school degree are projected to become millionaires. Even with a masters degree, they’re still the lowest chance of becoming a millionaire. https://balancingeverything.com/millionaire-statistics/ There’s no reason not to keep working on removing barriers to success.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 11 Posted September 11 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Everybody has the same opportunity here. There isn't an unlevel playing field. Anyone can be successful if they work at it. I mean hell, you can get rich now just posting content on social media. Anyone can be successful here....anyone. How do other ethnic groups do it? It's possible.
Royale with Cheese Posted September 11 Posted September 11 2 minutes ago, Lost said: How does it rub you when a flood of immigrants come and get free food, free housing subsidies, free medical care etc? Most people are struggling to pay for groceries with their own money but the people who don't have money get FREE food? FREE cellphones? FREE utilities? Why do the ones who don't contribute anything to society get to eat better than us?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 11 Posted September 11 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: It’s not the governments job at all. But think about it: In the early 20th century, Black people were generally limited to mediocre jobs due to barriers to entry like limited education. In part due to policies like redlining, they were prohibited from getting mortgages in certain parts of cities and were limited to the slums. Now, when you’re stuck renting a derelict old house and working at the smelting yard for minimum wage, you’re not going to be able to leave anything behind you. Thus, your kids won’t have much. Black schools were historically worse than white ones, so the cycle continued. When you have no hope for the future, it’s easy to turn to living in the moment, riding with gangs and whatnot. About 8% of America’s millionaires are Black. Only 1% of Black Americans with a high school degree are projected to become millionaires. Even with a masters degree, they’re still the lowest chance of becoming a millionaire. https://balancingeverything.com/millionaire-statistics/ There’s no reason not to keep working on removing barriers to success. What if the barriers are their own culture?
SectionC3 Posted September 11 Posted September 11 Just now, Lost said: How does it rub you when a flood of immigrants come and get free food, free housing subsidies, free medical care etc? We have to prioritize the people who were here first. Agreed. I think a lot of the immigration issue is fear mongering, though. How many and how much is the question. It’s probably not nearly the extent to which you think. on the flip side, I don’t want to hear about unemployment among low educated whites if we’re yanking people off of roofs and out of fields and deporting them. That part of the working class is going to have to do the jobs—-and eat the inflation — opened and caused by an immigration policy that avoids amnesty and that removes workers from our economy. that, I note, is different from border security. I am against a wall but 100% for a better managed border and a better managed immigration process.
boyst Posted September 11 Posted September 11 6 minutes ago, Walking Tall said: This one just hits different. IMO, it is worse than Trump. Charlie Kirk was just a citizen with a message. A message many Conservatives agreed with and rallied around. I believe things are about to get real bad. Kirk, like MLK Jr., was a not a politician and only spread messages of peace, communicating, God, and unity. And both were killed by Democrats. Democrats don't want free speech. 2
The Firebaugh Kid Posted September 11 Posted September 11 7 minutes ago, Walking Tall said: This one just hits different. IMO, it is worse than Trump. Charlie Kirk was just a citizen with a message. A message many Conservatives agreed with and rallied around. I believe things are about to get real bad. If it's determined that someone/some group funded this, they will be labeled (rightfully so) as domestic terrorists and there will be war declared against them. And it will be swift and it will not be....close. 1
SectionC3 Posted September 11 Posted September 11 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Everybody has the same opportunity here. There isn't an unlevel playing field. Anyone can be successful if they work at it. I mean hell, you can get rich now just posting content on social media. Anyone can be successful here....anyone. It’s not a level field. It just isn’t. Contrast education in BPS with education in Clarence. At some point the leveling has to stop - I had this conversation at length on law school, and there it obviously ends at the bar exam - but we are kidding ourselves if we think the kid on Grape St. starts out the same as the kid in Spaulding Lake.
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