A Different Vibe from McDermott

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

 

@DrDawkinstein what do you think of a less drastic, middle of the road compromise here.  I think we can all agree if nothing changes, we need to jump ship before its too late.  At the same time barring some crazy talented Coach shaking loose, its a Texas size gamble to hand over the reigns to a brand new unproven HC.  I feel like we're too 'pot committed', to use a poker term, to fold the hand right now and start over.

 

What about bringing in some type of advisory role, similar to what Bill Parcells has done for teams.  I'm not being specific to him, but dang theres g2 be a coach out there with an itch to feel involved, and/or exhausted with seeing elite playoff games from Allen, get flushed down the toilet.

 

I have a feeling McD is not good at delegating jobs/roles downwards... and isnt doing a sufficient job teaching his Coordinators & Room Coaches, how to prepare.  Thats a force multiplier.  Maybe a coach who doesn't know how to do that, isn't worthy of a top coaching role period, I dunno.  Is he juggling too many pots out of necessity? Or is it obsessive compulsive and he can't help himself.  There's not enough hours in the week or weeks in the season to handle that load.  Burnout is real, and its anti efficient.  Im surprised we haven't heard about McD going out and doing this on his own, even looking for mentorship at the higher coaching skills.  Is Andy Reid too competitive to give the guy a hand?  Who could fill that role well for Sean?

 

I don't know what the big gamble would be though. Most decent HC's could take this team to the playoffs. I'd be willing to take that risk of flopping, whatever that would look like, in hopes of a guy getting us over the hump than just stick with a guy that can't do it that has his side of the ball fail us every single postseason. 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Excuses, excuses. Every team deals with injuries and bad bounces. 

 

 

Maybe not right this minute. But Payton, Harbaugh, and Vrabel were all out there and should have been strongly considered.

 

 

Oh BS.

 

We have Josh. We win 10-12 games every year with him at QB and ME coaching (and I dont know jack!). Changing coaches, at worst, means we only win 10-12 games each year. To your point, we still have Miami, NE, and the Jets in the Division. Taking the Division and making the playoffs, with a Josh Allen on the team, is a given.

 

This is about what happens once we;re in the playoffs and all the talent is equal and it is coaching that sets teams apart.

I love the, well who is it going to be then? Tell me, TELL ME! Who is better!

 

The answer is it's not about better. It's about different. 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Three years ago when I said the same thing and it was 90% negative emoji.  Now its at least 50/50. The fan base is getting more restless every year. 

 

Nothing would make me happier than to see McDermott lift the trophy this year.  

 

Me too, 100%. It's not some kind of personal vendetta. I would love to end up being wrong about him, there would be no better outcome. 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Just pointing out that he has the most posts in the thread, is yelling at people with caps and exclamation points and has admitted he is obsessed about change with no interest in improvement.

I have made a few posts in what, page 6? I'm not yelling at anybody in caps, read the post. Companies and teams make a change in leadership all the time that has become stale. It doesn't mean the person is bad, it means the messaging has grown old. The Eagles did with Andy Reid and won a Super Bowl. The Colts made the Super Bowl the year after Dungy. The Bucs won a Super Bowl after Dungy. This is a thing. Doug Pederson won a Super Bowl and it wasn't because he was better.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

I have made a few posts in what, page 6? I'm not yelling at anybody in caps, read the post. Companies and teams make a change in leadership all the time that has become stale. It doesn't mean the person is bad, it means the messaging has grown old. The Eagles did with Andy Reid and won a Super Bowl. The Colts made the Super Bowl the year after Dungy. The Bucs won a Super Bowl after Dungy. This is a thing. Doug Pederson won a Super Bowl and it wasn't because he was better.  

 

And then they fired Pederson too, and went right back to the Super Bowl and then won another one...

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:

almost no one but the Bills believed that Allen would be much more than an average QB, let alone an MVP.

😂😂leading up to draft there was talk he could go first overall 

 

such a ridiculous statement

[JP51]

4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I have said this a million times, but both Beane and McD can't be elite, with Josh, and not have done more. The perception by many here are all three are elite. I just don't see that as possibility. I have blamed McD for a lot, but have leaned more into Beane and the roster construction the last year or so. I don't particularly think rebuild #2 has gone very well.  

I do not at all disagree in the end I think is a combination of both at this point I lean more into Beane lots a money wrapped into mediocre defense lots of mediocre d line picks... interested to see if this draft changes anything 

[Max Fischer]

41 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂leading up to draft there was talk he could go first overall 

 

such a ridiculous statement

You can’t be serious.

 

Some folks must have a severe case of amnesia. When Josh Allen was drafted, this board — and the fanbase — were nearly distraught. Nearly every expert highlighted his major flaws: shaky accuracy, poor decision-making, raw mechanics. He was the definition of a boom-or-bust pick.

 

There was deep skepticism that he could ever harness his physical tools into something consistent. When Allen actually developed into a good quarterback, nearly everyone was stunned — and the Bills’ coaching staff was treated like miracle workers.

 

Let’s not rewrite history.

[RoscoeParrish]

2 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

Unless you are 14 (which is possible), you will no doubt remember that almost no one but the Bills believed that Allen would be much more than an average QB, let alone an MVP

Allen was projected as the possible #1 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft. 
 

No one but the Bills thought he might be good eventually?

7 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

You can’t be serious.

 

Some folks must have a severe case of amnesia. When Josh Allen was drafted, this board — and the fanbase — were nearly distraught. Nearly every expert highlighted his major flaws: shaky accuracy, poor decision-making, raw mechanics. He was the definition of a boom-or-bust pick.

 

There was deep skepticism that he could ever harness his physical tools into something consistent. When Allen actually developed into a good quarterback, nearly everyone was stunned — and the Bills’ coaching staff was treated like miracle workers.

 

Let’s not rewrite history.

Do you understand the concept of “boom” in “boom or bust?”

[Max Fischer]

Just now, RoscoeParrish said:

Allen was projected as the possible #1 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft. 
 

No one but the Bills thought he might be good eventually?

 

See above. It's amazing how people just suppress what happened from 2018 to 2020. 

 

[RoscoeParrish]

Just now, Max Fischer said:

 

See above. It's amazing how people just suppress what happened from 2018 to 2020. 

 

I think you are the one suppressing history.

There is not a QB that is projected to go in the top 10, that goes in the top 10, that was a QB prospect that “no one believed in.”

 

does no one believe in Caleb Williams except the Bears? Did no one believe in Jayden Daniels except the Commanders? Did no one believe in Joe Burrow except the Bengals?

[DuckyBoys]

Problem is McDermott is stuck to the same philosophy on defense and Beane's drafts have been crap  Were trotting out the same undersized defense that will wear down as the season goes out.  Hard to keep undersized defenders healthy 17 weeks plus playoffs when you are playing bend don't break

[Max Fischer]

Just now, RoscoeParrish said:

I think you are the one suppressing history.

There is not a QB that is projected to go in the top 10, that goes in the top 10, that was a QB prospect that “no one believed in.”

 

does no one believe in Caleb Williams except the Bears? Did no one believe in Jayden Daniels except the Commanders? Did no one believe in Joe Burrow except the Bengals?

 

Josh Allen wasn’t some obvious superstar waiting to be unwrapped. He was the riskiest quarterback in the 2018 draft. Go back and read the scouting reports — they practically scream buyer beware.

 

     “He misses too many easy throws. Inaccuracy is a major concern.” – NFL.com, 2018

     “Allen is a project. He could be great or be out of the league in five years.” – Bleacher Report, 2018

     “Statistically the worst QB in the class.” – PFF Draft Guide, 2018

 

The Bills' fan base was split, at best.  Some were cautiously optimistic. Most were terrified. He didn't even come that close to winning the starting job. After 2018? Plenty of fans thought we had drafted a bust. 2019 was better — but not enough to shut people up. The questions didn’t go away.

 

Then came 2020 — and that guy? The MVP-caliber, laser-accurate, field-general version of Allen? Nobody saw that coming. Not the media. Not the fanbase. Not even the Bills, if we’re being honest.

 

So no — we don’t get to rewrite history and act like this was all part of the plan, or it would have happened under another coach. Josh Allen and the Bills beat the odds. He worked his ass off. And the Bills’ staff pulled off one of the great modern QB development stories.

[RoscoeParrish]

5 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Josh Allen wasn’t some obvious superstar waiting to be unwrapped. He was the riskiest quarterback in the 2018 draft. Go back and read the scouting reports — they practically scream buyer beware.

 

     “He misses too many easy throws. Inaccuracy is a major concern.” – NFL.com, 2018

     “Allen is a project. He could be great or be out of the league in five years.” – Bleacher Report, 2018

     “Statistically the worst QB in the class.” – PFF Draft Guide, 2018

 

The Bills' fan base was split, at best.  Some were cautiously optimistic. Most were terrified. He didn't even come that close to winning the starting job. After 2018? Plenty of fans thought we had drafted a bust. 2019 was better — but not enough to shut people up. The questions didn’t go away.

 

Then came 2020 — and that guy? The MVP-caliber, laser-accurate, field-general version of Allen? Nobody saw that coming. Not the media. Not the fanbase. Not even the Bills, if we’re being honest.

 

So no — we don’t get to rewrite history and act like this was all part of the plan, or it would have happened under another coach. Josh Allen and the Bills beat the odds. He worked his ass off. And the Bills’ staff pulled off one of the great modern QB development stories.

“Josh Allen wasn’t a superstar waiting to happen” =/= “No one believed in Josh Allen”

 

Obviously, Josh Allen was very raw coming out. That was the knock. The flip side is the potential to be absolutely awesome was evident as well. The “boom” part of the “boom or bust” is what I would call a ceiling, which many folks thought was the HIGHEST in the draft.

 

 

Tom Brady was a QB no one believed in. Dak Prescott was a QB no one believed in. I’d even accept Jalen Hurts before accepting Josh Allen as a QB no one believed in. The Browns almost took him at 1.1. It’s just not accurate.

 

[T.E.]

42 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

You can’t be serious.

 

Some folks must have a severe case of amnesia. When Josh Allen was drafted, this board — and the fanbase — were nearly distraught. Nearly every expert highlighted his major flaws: shaky accuracy, poor decision-making, raw mechanics. He was the definition of a boom-or-bust pick.

 

There was deep skepticism that he could ever harness his physical tools into something consistent. When Allen actually developed into a good quarterback, nearly everyone was stunned — and the Bills’ coaching staff was treated like miracle workers.

 

Let’s not rewrite history.

No, you are mistaken. It was definitely suggested that Cleveland might take him first overall,  and it was also rumored that Seattle offered them Russell Wilson straight-up for the #1 pick so that they themselves could take Allen. Rewriting history is suggesting there was ever a chance he wasn't going top-10.

[Max Fischer]

9 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

“Josh Allen wasn’t a superstar waiting to happen” =/= “No one believed in Josh Allen”

 

Obviously, Josh Allen was very raw coming out. That was the knock. The flip side is the potential to be absolutely awesome was evident as well. The “boom” part of the “boom or bust” is what I would call a ceiling, which many folks thought was the HIGHEST in the draft.

 

 

Tom Brady was a QB no one believed in. Dak Prescott was a QB no one believed in. I’d even accept Jalen Hurts before accepting Josh Allen as a QB no one believed in. The Browns almost took him at 1.1. It’s just not accurate.

 

 

This post is a word salad and has no relevance.  You may want to giggle ChatGPT.

1 minute ago, T.E. said:

No, you are mistaken. It was definitely suggested that Cleveland might take him first overall,  and it was also rumored that Seattle offered them Russell Wilson straight-up for the #1 pick so that they themselves could take Allen. Rewriting history is suggesting there was ever a chance he wasn't going top-10.

 

But, and hear me out, they didn't. 

[GoBills808]

19 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Josh Allen wasn’t some obvious superstar waiting to be unwrapped. He was the riskiest quarterback in the 2018 draft. Go back and read the scouting reports — they practically scream buyer beware.

 

     “He misses too many easy throws. Inaccuracy is a major concern.” – NFL.com, 2018

     “Allen is a project. He could be great or be out of the league in five years.” – Bleacher Report, 2018

     “Statistically the worst QB in the class.” – PFF Draft Guide, 2018

 

The Bills' fan base was split, at best.  Some were cautiously optimistic. Most were terrified. He didn't even come that close to winning the starting job. After 2018? Plenty of fans thought we had drafted a bust. 2019 was better — but not enough to shut people up. The questions didn’t go away.

 

Then came 2020 — and that guy? The MVP-caliber, laser-accurate, field-general version of Allen? Nobody saw that coming. Not the media. Not the fanbase. Not even the Bills, if we’re being honest.

 

So no — we don’t get to rewrite history and act like this was all part of the plan, or it would have happened under another coach. Josh Allen and the Bills beat the odds. He worked his ass off. And the Bills’ staff pulled off one of the great modern QB development stories.

Just wrong

Go ahead and pull my old posts

[T.E.]

3 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

But, and hear me out, they didn't. 

Yeah, he went #7 overall. Meanwhile you and others are claiming that no one thought he would be good. Are you claiming he wasn't in play at #1? That that wasn't being reported all week?

25 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Josh Allen wasn’t some obvious superstar waiting to be unwrapped. He was the riskiest quarterback in the 2018 draft. Go back and read the scouting reports — they practically scream buyer beware.

"The riskiest QB in the draft" doesn't go top-10. He would've been awesome on any team. Giving McDermott of all people credit for drafting him and coaching him up is laughable.

[Max Fischer]

22 minutes ago, T.E. said:

No, you are mistaken. It was definitely suggested that Cleveland might take him first overall,  and it was also rumored that Seattle offered them Russell Wilson straight-up for the #1 pick so that they themselves could take Allen. Rewriting history is suggesting there was ever a chance he wasn't going top-10.

"Rumors" are rumors. None of this actually happened. That's a fact. 

[GoBills808]

21 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Yeah, he went #7 overall. Meanwhile you and others are claiming that no one thought he would be good. Are you claiming he wasn't in play at #1? That that wasn't being reported all week?

"The riskiest QB in the draft" doesn't go top-10. He would've been awesome on any team. Giving McDermott of all people credit for drafting him and coaching him up is laughable.

He's trying to give McDermott credit for the QB spot and in the same breath justifying it by saying Allen didn't win the starting job his rookie yr...because McDermott decided to start Peterman lmfaoo