sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 26 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: You are free to believe whatever religious nonsense you like... I've done my own work, which is why I asked C section a question that I knew he would not answer... I have no need to ask you anything about anything... You've bought into the ethnic cleansing project underway in Israel as we speak... But perhaps you have a Biblical reference you can share to justify what the majority of the world is quite disgusted by... You and C section are made for each other... Suckers for propaganda that you feel gives you a false sense of the moral high ground in yet another mindless thread meant to go no where... Just stupid. Jesus' existence is mentioned by Josephus and Tacitus, non Christian historians of the time. I have no interest in the rest of your nonsense accusations. 1
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: Just stupid. Jesus' existence is mentioned by Josephus and Tacitus, non Christian historians of the time. I have no interest in the rest of your nonsense accusations. Not to mention the Quran.
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Just now, sherpa said: Just stupid. Jesus' existence is mentioned by Josephus and Tacitus, non Christian historians of the time. I have no interest in the rest of your nonsense accusations. Mentioned? I am quite familiar with both... If you cannot reference the historical record that proves the gospels as historically accurate... Just say so... But hey, he was mentioned...
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Not to mention the Quran. The Quran is proof that Jesus existed? When was the Quran written? When were the gospels written? What historical records exist proving that the Jesus of the Bible was real? Feel free to have your preferred LLM present you with an answer... The bottom line is that America will be purging illegals from the country... Since everyone is such staunch supporters of how Israel is handling Gaza... I am sure the support will be strong for how this illegal alien invasion gets handled... The cartels will be removed from US soil... Hence the inevitable federal occupation of many US cities... The infrastructure is building out quite nicely...
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 7 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: Mentioned? I am quite familiar with both... If you cannot reference the historical record that proves the gospels as historically accurate... Just say so... But hey, he was mentioned... Historical record? I mentioned two of them, and I specifically mentioned non Christian, acclaimed historians of that time. You have now moved the posts, and ask if the Gospels are historically accurate, which I believe they are, but that is a different subject. A bunch of guys are hiding in a building after the crucifixion. They have followed this individual for years. but they are terrified that they to will be persecuted by the Romans and the behest of the Temple leaders. Suddenly.......Something happens. They all spend the rest of their lives proclaiming what they believe to be true, and all but one die horrible, torturous deaths for those views. Do people allow themselves to be tortured and killed protecting a lie? Doesn't happen. The man existed. The man was crucified by the Romans and all of these people changed at the same time. Historical evidence exists beyond the Christian community. 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 26 Posted August 26 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: She was treated humanely. One perfect kill shot. Instant death. Isn't that what the Trumpy gun nuts preach? But you aspired to be the voice of reason, Frank. Partnering with preachy gun nuts is at odds with that. Btw, the questions of AB being treated humanely is perhaps at odds with the full narrative. Upon review, the DOJ (aka US Government) settled a wrongful death claim on behalf of AB's family for $5,000,000. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: Historical record? I mentioned two of them, and I specifically mentioned non Christian, acclaimed historians of that time. You have now moved the posts, and ask if the Gospels are historically accurate, which I believe they are, but that is a different subject. A bunch of guys are hiding in a building after the crucifixion. They have followed this individual for years. but they are terrified that they to will be persecuted by the Romans and the behest of the Temple leaders. Suddenly.......Something happens. They all spend the rest of their lives proclaiming what they believe to be true, and all but one die horrible, torturous deaths for those views. Do people allow themselves to be tortured and killed protecting a lie? Doesn't happen. The man existed. The man was crucified by the Romans and all of these people changed at the same time. Historical evidence exists beyond the Christian community. I will leave you to your ignorance... It suits you... You are now free to roll in the mud with C section...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 26 Posted August 26 6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: But you aspired to be the voice of reason, Frank. Partnering with preachy gun nuts is at odds with that. Btw, the questions of AB being treated humanely is perhaps at odds with the full narrative. Upon review, the DOJ (aka US Government) settled a wrongful death claim on behalf of AB's family for $5,000,000. That settlement was ridiculous and was done purely for political reasons. To be totally serious about Ashli Babbit: she was a victim of QAnon nonsense, a martyr to the Cause of Internet Stupidity. 1
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 You type a lot of crap, but you never support it. Were Tacitus and Josephus lying? There are more by the way. Do people die supporting something they know to be a lie? Your entire vector is nonsense, and you have said nothing other than you don't believe it, which nobody cares about. 1
TH3 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 8 hours ago, sherpa said: Converting water into wine, and then having it served, would have raised some eyebrows at current day licensing agencies. His skin color has nothing to do with the anything. In those days people were not known by race, ethnicity. That is a modern construct. They were known by where they were from and their family lineage. He really wasn't a "migrant." His family fled to Egypt for a time when he was far too young to be accountable. He also recommended abiding by gov laws. You literally have no idea what you are talking about
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 9 minutes ago, TH3 said: You literally have no idea what you are talking about I'm pretty sure I do, but yet another post with no support. To use the old F-14 quote, Anytime Baby.
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 26 minutes ago, sherpa said: You type a lot of crap, but you never support it. Were Tacitus and Josephus lying? There are more by the way. Do people die supporting something they know to be a lie? Your entire vector is nonsense, and you have said nothing other than you don't believe it, which nobody cares about. You cannot quote anything they said... Nor can you reference the materials they themselves referenced... Simple... I don't have to prove a negative... The claims that Jesus as presented in the gospels as historical fact is a claim that you support by saying two authors "mentioned" him... That's pretty weak... Especially when there was Christianity long before the alleged birth of Jesus... Christianity was a spiritual practice amongst what could be described as the first gnostics... But again, I will leave you to your ignorance... I'm done talking to you about it... Feel free to get in the last word...
B-Man Posted August 26 Posted August 26 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Being the Voice of Reason here is not something I chose; it became my duty. 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: She was treated humanely. One perfect kill shot. Instant death. She did not die instantly Ladies and gentlemen of PPP; your self appointed Voice of Reason. 1 1
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 18 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: You cannot quote anything they said... Nor can you reference the materials they themselves referenced... Simple... I don't have to prove a negative... The claims that Jesus as presented in the gospels as historical fact is a claim that you support by saying two authors "mentioned" him... That's pretty weak... Especially when there was Christianity long before the alleged birth of Jesus... Christianity was a spiritual practice amongst what could be described as the first gnostics... But again, I will leave you to your ignorance... I'm done talking to you about it... Feel free to get in the last word... I can quote what they said. If this is tough for you that is why I mentioned them, because there is written record of it. It is idiotic to not know this. I didn't suggest that the only evidence of Jesus was the Gospels. There is a bunch of evidence regarding Pilate, Herod, Caiphus, (the chief priest at the time), that verifies the testament. I specifically mentioned two non Christian historians who validated this. The Gospels are testament to his life and have constant mention of him. Not sure how you came to that. There was no "Christianity" before the life of Christ, thus the name.
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 minute ago, sherpa said: I can quote what they said. If this is tough for you that is why I mentioned them, because there is written record of it. It is idiotic to not know this. I didn't suggest that the only evidence of Jesus was the Gospels. There is a bunch of evidence regarding Pilate, Herod, Caiphus, (the chief priest at the time), that verifies the testament. I specifically mentioned two non Christian historians who validated this. The Gospels are testament to his life and have constant mention of him. Not sure how you came to that. There was no "Christianity" before the life of Christ, thus the name. False...
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 8 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: False... Remarkably simple question. Have you added anything to this thread? Evidence? Names of 1st documented century folks specifically mentioned in historical documentation. Evidence of the lives of people after this verified life that supports your view? Anything?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, sherpa said: You type a lot of crap, but you never support it. Were Tacitus and Josephus lying? There are more by the way. Do people die supporting something they know to be a lie? Your entire vector is nonsense, and you have said nothing other than you don't believe it, which nobody cares about. I agree with your overall point. but yes, some of people in the James Jones massacre and the branch davidians knew and wanted out. I don't believe followers of Jesus were/are the same. No one stopped them from leaving or coerced them into joining. 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: Remarkably simple question. Have you added anything to this thread? Evidence? Names of 1st documented century folks specifically mentioned in historical documentation. Evidence of the lives of people after this verified life that supports your view? Anything? he's a loathsome troll. adds nothing ever....
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 26 Posted August 26 9 hours ago, sherpa said: His skin color has nothing to do with the anything. In those days people were not known by race, ethnicity. That is a modern construct. why was a Samaritan specifically mentioned by nationality/region in the new testament?
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I agree with your overall point. but yes, some of people in the James Jones massacre and the branch davidians knew and wanted out. I don't believe followers of Jesus were/are the same. No one stopped them from leaving or coerced them into joining. he's a loathsome troll. adds nothing ever.... Jesus Joe. Come over the mountain. I'll buy you dinner. By the way, if you're ever over here, that offer exists. Peace.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: That settlement was ridiculous and was done purely for political reasons. To be totally serious about Ashli Babbit: she was a victim of QAnon nonsense, a martyr to the Cause of Internet Stupidity. The settlement reflected concerns that the shooting on an unarmed female might have been unjustified on some level. Joe Biden himself was on record as suggesting less lethal shots be attempted by law enforcement to avoid just that sort of thing. A leg shot, I think he suggested. Perhaps an attempt to hit a foot bone. I can’t recall exactly what he said, but he was something! I mean I get it, I’ve wondered aloud about the political nature of some of these civil cases but they often represent a roll of the dice. Plus, we don’t know what the government was really worried about that might have come out in a civil suit. Ultimately, AB was a victim of her own ignorance like many before. Micheal Brown comes to mind. What the 🤬she was doing crawling through that barrier in that situation is well beyond me. 1
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