The Alaska Summit

[TH3]

39 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Oh, well I’m definitely a pragmatist and not an idealist. But perhaps I don’t fully understand the facets of this topic because I don’t understand why certain bargaining chips have been removed from the bargaining table. We need to find diplomatic off-ramps for both Putin and Zelenskyy, and so the more options the merrier.

 

Why are war reparations off the table? With DT leading the way...Russia is getting rewarded - not penalized. How is Ukraine otherwise going to rebuild? Who knows - JDV would make them shrivel and die...in reality - likely Europe going to have to step up.  failed economic and political state over there would only be a breeding ground for additional international headaches. YUP - But all DT is interested in is winning a news cycle win and start the promotional campaign for his Nobel peace prize. 

 

Why is NATO membership off the table? Because - if it was on the table ...NATO would have to be ready to actually fight for it...- Finland and Sweden were allowed to join. They are not old CCCP. We’re still going to agree to defend Ukraine in some way, anyway, after the war. It’s not like we have to position our nuclear missiles along Ukraine’s borders if they are allowed to join. We were supposed to fight per 1993 nuclear arms deal .... we didn't. 

 

Have we completely exhausted our options with multilateral economic sanctions on Russia??  Dunno...but DT was ready to call a win and start doing deals with Russia and building a Trump plaza in Moscow next week. 

 

 

I’ve addressed this question multiple times in multiple different ways, spanning multiple threads and multiple forums (here plus BillsFans.com). Anyone who justifies or still denies Israel’s apartheid ethnostate practices, war crimes of collective punishment, genocide in Gaza, and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank is a garbage human being.

Yes - all these answers are snarky - but that is exactly where we are.... 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

9 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

The amount of people twisting themselves into knots to oppose a deal getting done just because "TRUMP BAD" should be a litmus test for those who are either too

stupid, too broken, or too brainwashed to be taken seriously.

 

Ever.

 

Take a lap through the MSM, podcast, socials, or print media and you'll see a dozen examples in minutes.

 

 

What actual progress has been made? That's a pretty simple question you can maybe answer

[JDHillFan]

Just now, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

What actual progress has been made? That's a pretty simple question you can maybe answer

If you want to view a Friday meeting in Alaska with one side, a Monday meeting with the other, and plans for both sides to get together as “no progress” then you are free to do so. In light of actual “no progress” ever since the last administration gave the ok to a minor incursion, many people see these first steps as signs of progress. They are free to do so. 
 

I doubt that answer is simple enough for a deep-thinker such as yourself, but there you have it. 

[Wolfgang]

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

30 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

If you want to view a Friday meeting in Alaska with one side, a Monday meeting with the other, and plans for both sides to get together as “no progress” then you are free to do so. In light of actual “no progress” ever since the last administration gave the ok to a minor incursion, many people see these first steps as signs of progress. They are free to do so. 
 

I doubt that answer is simple enough for a deep-thinker such as yourself, but there you have it. 

All talk so far and no actions in the direction of peace. Putin is literally still murdering civilians. The North Vietnamese dragged negotiations like this on for years, same with North Koreans 

 

A simple cease fire seems resonable but Putin continues to bomb apartment buildings and is pretty public with the demands that Ukraine surrender a crippling amount of territory 

 

Actions speak louder than words 

[Wolfgang]

 

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

1 hour ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Oh, well I’m definitely a pragmatist and not an idealist. But perhaps I don’t fully understand the facets of this topic because I don’t understand why certain bargaining chips have been removed from the bargaining table. We need to find diplomatic off-ramps for both Putin and Zelenskyy, and so the more options the merrier.

 

Why are war reparations off the table? How is Ukraine otherwise going to rebuild? A failed economic and political state over there would only be a breeding ground for additional international headaches.

 

Why is NATO membership off the table? Finland and Sweden were allowed to join. We’re still going to agree to defend Ukraine in some way, anyway, after the war. It’s not like we have to position our nuclear missiles along Ukraine’s borders if they are allowed to join.

 

Have we completely exhausted our options with multilateral economic sanctions on Russia??

 

 

I’ve addressed this question multiple times in multiple different ways, spanning multiple threads and multiple forums (here plus BillsFans.com). Anyone who justifies or still denies Israel’s apartheid ethnostate practices, war crimes of collective punishment, genocide in Gaza, and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank is a garbage human being.

You didn't explain anything. Just feelings. Does Palestine commit genocide too or are they just innocent? Does Palestine want Isreal to be obliterated from existence? The answer is yes.

[JDHillFan]

9 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

All talk so far and no actions in the direction of peace. Putin is literally still murdering civilians. The North Vietnamese dragged negotiations like this on for years, same with North Koreans 

 

A simple cease fire seems resonable but Putin continues to bomb apartment buildings and is pretty public with the demands that Ukraine surrender a crippling amount of territory 

 

Actions speak louder than words 

I guess we can put you down as being in the “the last few days of meetings with all the important world leaders is a waste of time” camp. I suspect the reason for that is Trump related. Hope it works out for you. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

8 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

I guess we can put you down as being in the “the last few days of meetings with all the important world leaders is a waste of time” camp. I suspect the reason for that is Trump related. Hope it works out for you. 

You go ahead and guess anything your small mind wants 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

17 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

There's nothing to acknowledge other than you see politics afoot when you don't like the result, and purity when you do.  I used your standard--professionals with experience dealing with questions of obstruction reviewed the Mueller report in detail, considered the options and made a decision.  No obstruction. No need for a grand jury.  Time to move on.  That you wanted more political theater is understandable, but the issue was resolved and that particular silliness was laid to rest.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hoax.  You guys covered that up by killing the investigation,  just like you covered up Epstein.  Didn’t like the conclusion of the investigators?  Kill it, and then lie about exoneration or whatever the tall tale there is and blame Biden or Big Bird or the boogeyman of the day.  It’s a shame that the truth is so elusive for MAGA. 

4 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

I guess we can put you down as being in the “the last few days of meetings with all the important world leaders is a waste of time” camp. I suspect the reason for that is Trump related. Hope it works out for you. 

But Putin wants to make a deal for him!   I’d think it was a better expenditure of time if our negotiator didn’t cave (ceasefire?  Serious consequences?) and knew in what country the summit was being held.  In the meantime, lots of inflation, little consumer confidence, and no Epstein files.  But Putin first! 
 

[JDHillFan]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  You guys covered that up by killing the investigation,  just like you covered up Epstein.  Didn’t like the conclusion of the investigators?  Kill it, and then lie about exoneration or whatever the tall tale there is and blame Biden or Big Bird or the boogeyman of the day.  It’s a shame that the truth is so elusive for MAGA. 

But Putin wants to make a deal for him!   I’d think it was a better expenditure of time if our negotiator didn’t cave (ceasefire?  Serious consequences?) and knew in what country the summit was being held.  In the meantime, lots of inflation, little consumer confidence, and no Epstein files.  But Putin first! 
 

At least you are thinking rationally. Not melodramatic or emotional at all. Carry on big fella!

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

At least you are thinking rationally. Not melodramatic or emotional at all. Carry on big fella!

Well, one thing is certain. When a deal is reached and all is said and done its a 100% certainty these folks won't like it no matter what the terms and conditions of the agreement. If Vegas was laying odds I'd bet the farm on that. Its a surer thing than betting heads on the toss of a two-headed coin. It's how TDS mental patients roll.

Edited August 19 by All_Pro_Bills

[AverageAllensSuspensor]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Well, one thing is certain. When a deal is reached and all is said and done its a 100% certainty these folks won't like it no matter what the terms and conditions of the agreement. If Vegas was laying odds I'd bet the farm on that. Its a surer thing than betting heads on the toss of a two-headed coin. It's how TDS patients roll.

 

If the deal includes Russia being awarded land for invading a neighbour I will not like it. So... risk of me not liking the deal: 99,998 %.

 

However it is up to Ukraine to decide whether they accept or not. So I will have to live with it (until Putin comes knocking on my door at which point I will have to die with it).

Edited August 19 by AverageAllensSuspensor

[JDHillFan]

7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Well, one thing is certain. When a deal is reached and all is said and done it’s a 100% certainty these folks won't like it no matter what the terms and conditions of the agreement. If Vegas was laying odds I'd bet the farm on that. It’s a surer thing than betting heads on the toss of a two-headed coin. It's how TDS mental patients roll.

I want to give you credit for being 100% correct but this is such a slam dunk that I can’t.
 

Ok, fine. Some credit. 

[sherpa]

7 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said:

 

If the deal includes Russia being awarded land for invading a neighbour I will not like it. So... risk of me not liking the deal: 99,998 %.

 

 

 

Nobody is going to like it.

The issue is whether allowing thousands to die is worth "not liking" an agreement.  

This needs to end.

The military purpose is going nowhere on either side; one for nationalistic pride, and deserved, righteous indignation,  and one for a spent cost losing strategy.

 

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

15 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Nobody is going to like it.

The issue is whether allowing thousands to die is worth "not liking" an agreement.  

This needs to end.

The military purpose is going nowhere on either side; one for nationalistic pride, and deserved, righteous indignation,  and one for a spent cost losing strategy.

 

 

 

 

So the aggressor gets bogged down in a stalemate and the victim loses territory?  If that’s what Ukraine wants, then fine.  Otherwise it seems to me that America First entails such things as addressing inflation and the job market and not sticking our beaks in to help Russia.   But hey, the Don wants a Nobel, so he’s going to tinker with this for a few weeks before it goes the way of Greenland, MAGAZA, and state #51. 

[AverageAllensSuspensor]

20 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Nobody is going to like it.

The issue is whether allowing thousands to die is worth "not liking" an agreement.  

This needs to end.

The military purpose is going nowhere on either side; one for nationalistic pride, and deserved, righteous indignation,  and one for a spent cost losing strategy.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm worried peace will be very temporary while Putin licks his wounds and rebuilds before invading again costing even more lives... He is not to be trusted and I do not like the idea of rewarding him since it will encourage him to do the same thing over and over.

[sherpa]

2 minutes ago, AverageAllensSuspensor said:

 

I'm worried peace will be very temporary while Putin licks his wounds and rebuilds before invading again costing even more lives... He is not to be trusted and I do not like the idea of rewarding him since it will encourage him to do the same thing over and over.

 

I don't think that is going to happen.

I believe that a final agreement would include a provision that would make it suicidal for him to pursue any offensive moves.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  You guys covered that up by killing the investigation,  just like you covered up Epstein.  Didn’t like the conclusion of the investigators?  Kill it, and then lie about exoneration or whatever the tall tale there is and blame Biden or Big Bird or the boogeyman of the day.  It’s a shame that the truth is so elusive for MAGA. 

Oh boy, you've spun quite a tale here.  You're a regular Robert Pudlum. 

 

Anyway, the record is clear. You chose fealty over common sense, weaponization over free and fair elections, and in the end, left the country weaker for your effort.  The bright spot is that sensible and fair-minded people ultimately got wise to the game and pushed back.  Had anyone in your camp paid attention to the masses, dialed down the Biden...Mueller...Smith...Willis...Brag coordination, chances are pretty good Trump isn't a player in 2025.  Admittedly, he might still have had a shot when you simpletons hitched your wagon early to JB.   Yikes.