Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted August 19 Posted August 19 1 hour ago, sherpa said: I don't think that is going to happen. I believe that a final agreement would include a provision that would make it suicidal for him to pursue any offensive moves. Like what? Suicidal?? What in Trump's past history of boot licking Putin makes you think Trump will do anything that would entail such consequences? 3 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted August 19 Posted August 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Nobody is going to like it. The issue is whether allowing thousands to die is worth "not liking" an agreement. This needs to end. The military purpose is going nowhere on either side; one for nationalistic pride, and deserved, righteous indignation, and one for a spent cost losing strategy. Being appalled by loss of life isn't a strategy. The President's job isn't to make lions lay down with lambs or protect foreigners from their own stupidity. It's to shape strategies that shape events to our advantage. So what's in it for America if our strategy is an all-out push for peace on humanitarian grounds? Edited August 19 by Coffeesforclosers
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted August 19 Posted August 19 Putin seems to just playing Trump. No cease fire, no sanctions, no anything. But Putin is being set up with a suicide pact? Ya right https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn92e52rpjxo The Kremlin has played down talk of an imminent summit between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky, as Donald Trump renewed his call for the two leaders to meet to discuss ending the war in Ukraine. The push for a bilateral meeting comes after the US president met Putin in Alaska last week, and welcomed seven European leaders and Zelensky to the White House on Monday. Trump admitted the conflict was "a tough one" to solve and conceded it was possible the Russian president was not interested in ending hostilities. "We're going to find out about President Putin in the next couple of weeks," he said on Tuesday. "It's possible that he doesn't want to make a deal."
reddogblitz Posted August 19 Posted August 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, sherpa said: I believe that a final agreement would include a provision that would make it suicidal for him to pursue any offensive moves. And do you think Pooty Poot would actually agree to this? If so, why? I'd have to see it to believe that. What's one of his biggest hang ups to peace now? Ukraine joining NATO. How would what you propose be different and agreeable to him? He holds the cards and has veto power on any deal. Edited August 19 by reddogblitz
B-Man Posted August 20 Author Posted August 20 Alaska Meeting Was a Start, But Putin Still Up to His Old Tricks — and Trump Knows It Douglas Murray As the people of Ukraine know, neighborliness is not among Putin’s great qualities. Still, it was with a reference to the US and Russia being neighbors that Putin kicked off his conversation with President Trump in Alaska yesterday. On the red carpet at the airport he apparently said to Trump: “Good afternoon, dear neighbor. Very good to see you in good health and to see you alive.”' When relaying this at the joint press conference later on, the Russian president commented about his own earlier remarks: “I think that is very neighborly.” Of course the two leaders were only meeting because of Putin’s lack of neighborly qualities. https://nypost.com/2025/08/15/opinion/alaska-was-a-start-but-putin-is-still-up-to-his-old-tricks-and-trump-knows-it/
SectionC3 Posted August 20 Posted August 20 7 hours ago, sherpa said: I don't think that is going to happen. I believe that a final agreement would include a provision that would make it suicidal for him to pursue any offensive moves. Like what? The "severe consequences" that haven't materialized? 7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Oh boy, you've spun quite a tale here. You're a regular Robert Pudlum. Anyway, the record is clear. You chose fealty over common sense, weaponization over free and fair elections, and in the end, left the country weaker for your effort. The bright spot is that sensible and fair-minded people ultimately got wise to the game and pushed back. Had anyone in your camp paid attention to the masses, dialed down the Biden...Mueller...Smith...Willis...Brag coordination, chances are pretty good Trump isn't a player in 2025. Admittedly, he might still have had a shot when you simpletons hitched your wagon early to JB. Yikes. That's the best you have? No exoneration. Legally sufficient evidence of an obstruction crime. But Trump appointee Bill Barr killing it after reading the report for a few minutes. And you invent some nonsense to explain it away. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 20 Posted August 20 16 hours ago, SectionC3 said: So the aggressor gets bogged down in a stalemate and the victim loses territory? If that’s what Ukraine wants, then fine. Otherwise it seems to me that America First entails such things as addressing inflation and the job market and not sticking our beaks in to help Russia. But hey, the Don wants a Nobel, so he’s going to tinker with this for a few weeks before it goes the way of Greenland, MAGAZA, and state #51.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 20 Posted August 20 9 hours ago, SectionC3 said: That's the best you have? No exoneration. Legally sufficient evidence of an obstruction crime. But Trump appointee Bill Barr killing it after reading the report for a few minutes. And you invent some nonsense to explain it away. I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as my best, I’m just having a conversation about historical events that seem to bother you. However, when my source is the Attorney General of the United States, citing review by the Office of General Counsel and the experts at the DOJ, while yours boils down to complaints about politics, the AG using the bathroom and now unfounded complaints that he only invested a “few minutes” in reading the report, it’s more than sufficient. Probably time to move on, each of us secure in the knowledge we are correct, but only one of us citing the sources that actually matter. 1
ComradeKayAdams Posted August 20 Posted August 20 On 8/19/2025 at 9:05 AM, AlBUNDY4TDS said: You didn't explain anything. Just feelings. Does Palestine commit genocide too or are they just innocent? Does Palestine want Isreal to be obliterated from existence? The answer is yes. I thought my previous post was clear enough in my intention not to hijack the Ukraine thread with Palestine talk, but whatever… “Genocide” is a legal term, under international law, with a clearly articulated definition. Dating back to the New Yishuv, Palestinians have never committed genocide against Israelis or Jews. Acts of terrorism? Sure, though these have been carried out under the guise of self-defense against an illegal occupying force. Would Palestinians commit genocide against Israeli Jews if the circumstances and the power asymmetry were reversed? Maybe. Maybe not. We have polling data since 10/7/23 showing Palestinians far more receptive to a peaceful two-state solution than Israelis. There was that recent Penn State University poll, in fact, showing an overwhelming majority (82%) of Israelis in favor of the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and nearly a majority (47%) in favor of outright genocide! I cannot be any more clear: Israel is an illegitimate settler colonial vassal state led by innately degenerate sociopaths, and it needs to be systematically dismantled. Among the remnants of this Jewish supremacist ethnostate should emerge a one-state solution with full and equal rights for all inhabitants, regardless of religion or ethnicity. 1 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Just now, ComradeKayAdams said: I thought my previous post was clear enough in my intention not to hijack the Ukraine thread with Palestine talk, but whatever… “Genocide” is a legal term, under international law, with a clearly articulated definition. Dating back to the New Yishuv, Palestinians have never committed genocide against Israelis or Jews. Acts of terrorism? Sure, though these have been carried out under the guise of self-defense against an illegal occupying force. Would Palestinians commit genocide against Israeli Jews if the circumstances and the power asymmetry were reversed? Maybe. Maybe not. We have polling data since 10/7/23 showing Palestinians far more receptive to a peaceful two-state solution than Israelis. There was that recent Penn State University poll, in fact, showing an overwhelming majority (82%) of Israelis in favor of the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and nearly a majority (47%) in favor of outright genocide! I cannot be any more clear: Israel is an illegitimate settler colonial vassal state led by innately degenerate sociopaths, and it needs to be systematically dismantled. Among the remnants of this Jewish supremacist ethnostate should emerge a one-state solution with full and equal rights for all inhabitants, regardless of religion or ethnicity. Palestine is more open to peace than Isreal? Absolutely bull####. Complete utter crap. Isreal earned the right to be there. Sorry bud. Go blame England. Islam states the only solution is obliteration of isreal. 1
ComradeKayAdams Posted August 20 Posted August 20 20 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Palestine is more open to peace than Isreal? Absolutely bull####. Complete utter crap. Isreal earned the right to be there. Sorry bud. Go blame England. Islam states the only solution is obliteration of isreal. Don’t call me a “bud,” you f*cking piece of sh!t. I cite polling facts, while you cite your Islamophobic feelings. Israel’s “earned” right to be there equates to violent force and claims from a big book of ancient religious fairy tales. And yes, I do blame England in addition to the United States and much of the West. Now stop responding to my posts, you fu*cking a**hole. 1 1 3
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 20 Posted August 20 1 minute ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Don’t call me a “bud,” you f*cking piece of sh!t. I cite polling facts, while you cite your Islamophobic feelings. Israel’s “earned” right to be there equates to violent force and claims from a big book of ancient religious fairy tales. And yes, I do blame England in addition to the United States and much of the West. Now stop responding to my posts, you fu*cking a**hole. Lmao doesn't take much to break you. Good grief. 3 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Don’t call me a “bud,” you f*cking piece of sh!t. I cite polling facts, while you cite your Islamophobic feelings. Israel’s “earned” right to be there equates to violent force and claims from a big book of ancient religious fairy tales. And yes, I do blame England in addition to the United States and much of the West. Now stop responding to my posts, you fu*cking a**hole. You quote polls that align with your beliefs. Lmao 5 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Don’t call me a “bud,” you f*cking piece of sh!t. I cite polling facts, while you cite your Islamophobic feelings. Israel’s “earned” right to be there equates to violent force and claims from a big book of ancient religious fairy tales. And yes, I do blame England in addition to the United States and much of the West. Now stop responding to my posts, you fu*cking a**hole. Isreal won the right to be there by winning the 6 day war in the 60s. 1
JDHillFan Posted August 20 Posted August 20 11 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Don’t call me a “bud,” you f*cking piece of sh!t. I cite polling facts, while you cite your Islamophobic feelings. Israel’s “earned” right to be there equates to violent force and claims from a big book of ancient religious fairy tales. And yes, I do blame England in addition to the United States and much of the West. Now stop responding to my posts, you fu*cking a**hole. Buddy ok? How about pal? 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 20 Posted August 20 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: Buddy ok? How about pal? I'm not your buddy, guy! 1 2
ScotSHO Posted August 20 Posted August 20 Someone tells a lib something they don't want to hear, so they fling poo, stomp their feet & put their fingers in their ears. That's a winning debate strategy. And don't respond to my post, either. Just now, AlBUNDY4TDS said: I'm not your buddy, guy! 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Buddy ok? How about pal? 1 1 1
ComradeKayAdams Posted August 20 Posted August 20 1 hour ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Lmao doesn't take much to break you. Good grief. You quote polls that align with your beliefs. Lmao Isreal won the right to be there by winning the 6 day war in the 60s. What the f*ck did I just say??!! STOP. RESPONDING. TO. MY. POSTS. COMMA. YOU. FU*CKING. A**HOLE. I ain’t comin’ here to bury no metaphorical hatchet, “BUD,” unless that metaphorical hatchet is going right into your stupid dumb-dumb head. Oh, won’t you try to sing along with me, Mr. Bundy, as you struggle to take in your final gasps of oxygen?? “Commie Kay grabbed her axe And gave some Zionist forty whacks. A new skin yarmulke Mr. Bundy had won. Bloody residue signified their debate was done.” 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Buddy ok? How about pal? You want a piece of me too, old man?? Let’s go, bruh… “Commie Kay grabbed that axe once more And towards JDHillFan she shouted “fore!” An enlarged prostate is now the least of his concerns, As his wizened carcass reflects his debate spurns.” 1 hour ago, ScotSHO said: Someone tells a lib something they don't want to hear, so they fling poo, stomp their feet & put their fingers in their ears. That's a winning debate strategy. And don't respond to my post, either. You want to see a winning debate strategy?? Watch this… “Comme Kay spots a third MAGA d!ck And chases ScotSHO down with her axe-shaped stick. Through his neck passes the metal blade. Her political message is now properly conveyed.”
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 20 Posted August 20 1 minute ago, ComradeKayAdams said: What the f*ck did I just say??!! STOP. RESPONDING. TO. MY. POSTS. COMMA. YOU. FU*CKING. A**HOLE. I ain’t comin’ here to bury no metaphorical hatchet, “BUD,” unless that metaphorical hatchet is going right into your stupid dumb-dumb head. Oh, won’t you try to sing along with me, Mr. Bundy, as you struggle to take in your final gasps of oxygen?? “Commie Kay grabbed her axe And gave some Zionist forty whacks. A new skin yarmulke Mr. Bundy had won. Bloody residue signified their debate was done.” You want a piece of me too, old man?? Let’s go, bruh… “Commie Kay grabbed that axe once more And towards JDHillFan she shouted “fore!” An enlarged prostate is now the least of his concerns, As his wizened carcass reflects his debate spurns.” You want to see a winning debate strategy?? Watch this… “Comme Kay spots a third MAGA d!ck And chases ScotSHO down with her axe-shaped stick. Through his neck passes the metal blade. Her political message is now properly conveyed.” Isreal has as much right to exist as Palestine. Cry harder!!!! Typical liberal nut job...... Oh your a woman? It all makes sense. 5 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: What the f*ck did I just say??!! STOP. RESPONDING. TO. MY. POSTS. COMMA. YOU. FU*CKING. A**HOLE. I ain’t comin’ here to bury no metaphorical hatchet, “BUD,” unless that metaphorical hatchet is going right into your stupid dumb-dumb head. Oh, won’t you try to sing along with me, Mr. Bundy, as you struggle to take in your final gasps of oxygen?? “Commie Kay grabbed her axe And gave some Zionist forty whacks. A new skin yarmulke Mr. Bundy had won. Bloody residue signified their debate was done.” You want a piece of me too, old man?? Let’s go, bruh… “Commie Kay grabbed that axe once more And towards JDHillFan she shouted “fore!” An enlarged prostate is now the least of his concerns, As his wizened carcass reflects his debate spurns.” You want to see a winning debate strategy?? Watch this… “Comme Kay spots a third MAGA d!ck And chases ScotSHO down with her axe-shaped stick. Through his neck passes the metal blade. Her political message is now properly conveyed.” You need professional help. This is not funny. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 20 Posted August 20 1 hour ago, ComradeKayAdams said: I thought my previous post was clear enough in my intention not to hijack the Ukraine thread with Palestine talk, but whatever… “Genocide” is a legal term, under international law, with a clearly articulated definition. Dating back to the New Yishuv, Palestinians have never committed genocide against Israelis or Jews. Acts of terrorism? Sure, though these have been carried out under the guise of self-defense against an illegal occupying force. Would Palestinians commit genocide against Israeli Jews if the circumstances and the power asymmetry were reversed? Maybe. Maybe not. We have polling data since 10/7/23 showing Palestinians far more receptive to a peaceful two-state solution than Israelis. There was that recent Penn State University poll, in fact, showing an overwhelming majority (82%) of Israelis in favor of the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and nearly a majority (47%) in favor of outright genocide! I cannot be any more clear: Israel is an illegitimate settler colonial vassal state led by innately degenerate sociopaths, and it needs to be systematically dismantled. Among the remnants of this Jewish supremacist ethnostate should emerge a one-state solution with full and equal rights for all inhabitants, regardless of religion or ethnicity. Perfectly stated... Thank you... Some people simply cannot accept the fact that Mossad/CIA/MI6 created Hamas to ensure that there would never be a two state solution... Or any solution... Nor will they acknowledge the economic realities of the Greater Israel Project... 1
JDHillFan Posted August 20 Posted August 20 13 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: What the f*ck did I just say??!! STOP. RESPONDING. TO. MY. POSTS. COMMA. YOU. FU*CKING. A**HOLE. I ain’t comin’ here to bury no metaphorical hatchet, “BUD,” unless that metaphorical hatchet is going right into your stupid dumb-dumb head. Oh, won’t you try to sing along with me, Mr. Bundy, as you struggle to take in your final gasps of oxygen?? “Commie Kay grabbed her axe And gave some Zionist forty whacks. A new skin yarmulke Mr. Bundy had won. Bloody residue signified their debate was done.” You want a piece of me too, old man?? Let’s go, bruh… “Commie Kay grabbed that axe once more And towards JDHillFan she shouted “fore!” An enlarged prostate is now the least of his concerns, As his wizened carcass reflects his debate spurns.” You want to see a winning debate strategy?? Watch this… “Comme Kay spots a third MAGA d!ck And chases ScotSHO down with her axe-shaped stick. Through his neck passes the metal blade. Her political message is now properly conveyed.” Hon? Does that work? 1
TH3 Posted August 20 Posted August 20 2 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Palestine is more open to peace than Isreal? Absolutely bull####. Complete utter crap. Isreal earned the right to be there. Sorry bud. Go blame England. Islam states the only solution is obliteration of isreal. Who is obliterating who right now? 1
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