Electricity Bill Sticker Shock! Inflation, MAGA Style

[Wolfgang]

4 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  

 

 

 

 

[sherpa]

9 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Everything is the sitting president's fault, deal with it 

 

I'm going to avoid discussing Robert Reich, who is another political/academic careerist who has never had a real job in industry, other than to point out that the link to his missive seems woefully negligent in a couple issues.

First, it claims :18% increases over a decade. That figure would be well below existing Fed inflation goals.

Second, he seems completely unaware of recent developments in electricity production in our innovative private sector.

 

Every week new deals are announced using developing technology to provide on location electrical power.

No combustion. Extremely clean. Almost no water requirements. No storage requirement. Not reliant on weather conditions.

Most importantly, economically competitive and with no reliance on the weakness of the current delivery system, the grid, managed by public utility folks.

When you produce it at the site, you don't care about the grid. Additionally, relatively large scale capacities can be in place in 90 days, not years of public fighting over new utility plants.

A certain energy producer that I won't mention has just concluded agreements with Oracle, American Electrical Power, Equinex and Quanta Computing, as well as having scores of existing, producing units at many Fortune 500 companies.

Robert Reich might exit the faculty lounge and find out what's going on, not that he ever has.

 

Solar and wind on any scale take up huge amounts of space and are ugly and often dangerous to various flying things.

 

Domestic solar succeeds to some extent because it is subsidized by the taxpayer.

When I had this house built, I fully intended to use it. My garage is good size, and perfectly suited for it: roof faces true south and is of the proper slope for this latitude.

It has simply never made economic sense.

 

 

[Wolfgang]

38 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I'm going to avoid discussing Robert Reich, who is another political/academic careerist who has never had a real job in industry, other than to point out that the link to his missive seems woefully negligent in a couple issues.

First, it claims :18% increases over a decade. That figure would be well below existing Fed inflation goals.

Second, he seems completely unaware of recent developments in electricity production in our innovative private sector.

 

Every week new deals are announced using developing technology to provide on location electrical power.

No combustion. Extremely clean. Almost no water requirements. No storage requirement. Not reliant on weather conditions.

Most importantly, economically competitive and with no reliance on the weakness of the current delivery system, the grid, managed by public utility folks.

When you produce it at the site, you don't care about the grid. Additionally, relatively large scale capacities can be in place in 90 days, not years of public fighting over new utility plants.

A certain energy producer that I won't mention has just concluded agreements with Oracle, American Electrical Power, Equinex and Quanta Computing, as well as having scores of existing, producing units at many Fortune 500 companies.

Robert Reich might exit the faculty lounge and find out what's going on, not that he ever has.

 

Solar and wind on any scale take up huge amounts of space and are ugly and often dangerous to various flying things.

 

Domestic solar succeeds to some extent because it is subsidized by the taxpayer.

When I had this house built, I fully intended to use it. My garage is good size, and perfectly suited for it: roof faces true south and is of the proper slope for this latitude.

It has simply never made economic sense.

 

 

 

 

 

One thing not mentioned enough is that it isn't just tax money that is used for subsidy...

 

We sell Treasuries to cover the tax payer shortfall...

 

The entire nation goes into debt at interest to pay for it...

 

Then, we pay later through inflation...

 

That debt then subsidizes the Chinese portion of solar panel equipment...

 

Strengthening China's economy at our expense...

 

As Chinese companies strengthen further, those investors then invest in American farmland and commercial property, driving up costs for Americans while wages remain stagnant domestically...

 

We have far too many people who are eager to see America completely hollowed out using the pursuit of the cheapest prices possible as the excuse...

 

They worship free trade despite the fact it is far from free...

 

The USA via the Bretton Woods Agreement secures free trade routes for the entire world...

 

The same people want to defund our military which provides the security for their cheap imported products...

 

They have the mentality of locusts...

[Orlando Buffalo]

6 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  

So show me your evidence that energy prices were frozen at any time from 2019-2023

[JDHillFan]

17 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

So show me your evidence that energy prices were frozen at any time from 2019-2023

Hope you are ready for something about The Files™. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

Just now, JDHillFan said:

Hope you are ready for something about The Files™. 

Hoax

[SectionC3]

10 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Hope you are ready for something about The Files™. 

Looks like we're going to be holding our breath on that one for awhile.  Don's meeting with the perp, but not the victims.  How sick and weird.  

29 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

So show me your evidence that energy prices were frozen at any time from 2019-2023

I'm not your research assistant.  But you're welcome to call the NYSPSC just as I did to inquire about rate increases and get the same explanation.  

[Andy1]

2 hours ago, sherpa said:

Every week new deals are announced using developing technology to provide on location electrical power.

No combustion. Extremely clean. Almost no water requirements. No storage requirement. Not reliant on weather conditions.

This is new to me. What type of energy is produced on-site with no combustion? 

[Orlando Buffalo]

27 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Looks like we're going to be holding our breath on that one for awhile.  Don's meeting with the perp, but not the victims.  How sick and weird.  

I'm not your research assistant.  But you're welcome to call the NYSPSC just as I did to inquire about rate increases and get the same explanation.  

Liar

 2022, there was a significant increase in energy costs, particularly for electricity, in the United States. The average residential electricity bill increased by 13% from 2021 to 2022. This rise was driven by various factors, including increased consumption, higher fuel costs, and extreme weather events according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). 

[SectionC3]

16 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Liar

 2022, there was a significant increase in energy costs, particularly for electricity, in the United States. The average residential electricity bill increased by 13% from 2021 to 2022. This rise was driven by various factors, including increased consumption, higher fuel costs, and extreme weather events according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). 

Call the NYSPSC and find out for yourself.  I realize there's numbers involved in telephoning someone, and that you struggle with numbers, but that's the answer that you're going to get. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

Call the NYSPSC and find out for yourself.  I realize there's numbers involved in telephoning someone, and that you struggle with numbers, but that's the answer that you're going to get. 

May I ask which number since none of them listed mention discussing past price hike

 

You can call our toll-free Helpline at 1-800-342-3377 between 8:30 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. on business days for gas, electric, water, phone and cable TV service/billing complaints.

 

If your service has been, or is about to be, terminated for non-payment, or if a utility has refused to provide residential electric, natural gas or steam service, you can call our special toll-free Emergency Hotline at 1-800-342-3355 between 7:30 a.m. and 7:30 p.m. on business days.

 

Opinion Line: 1-800-335-2120 - To submit comments on Commission Cases/Initiatives/Proceedings. This number is set up to receive comments from in-State callers 24-hours a day. These calls are not transcribed verbatim, but a summary is provided to the Commission.

 

ESCO Complaints: 1-888-697-7728 - Complaints about Energy Service Company (ESCO) and competition in the energy industry

 

[JDHillFan]

54 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I'm not your research assistant.  But you're welcome to call the NYSPSC just as I did to inquire about rate increases and get the same explanation.  

Hoax. You’ve really been struggling lately. Is Trump to blame? EPSTEIN? Either/both of those guys are enough to make someone ill but not the way you’ve been throwing up all over yourself lately. Hang in there buddy. Stay strong!

 

electric rate increases were paused during Covid….good stuff. 

[Wolfgang]

33 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Call the NYSPSC and find out for yourself.  I realize there's numbers involved in telephoning someone, and that you struggle with numbers, but that's the answer that you're going to get. 

 

 

 

Your propaganda is noticeably weaker than yesterday...

 

The New York State Public Service Commission (NYSPSC) played a central role in managing utility-related policies during the COVID-19 pandemic, but there was no specific program under the NYSPSC that explicitly froze electric bill rates statewide. Below is an updated response incorporating the NYSPSC’s actions and clarifying the absence of a rate freeze:

 

NYSPSC Moratorium on Utility Shutoffs: In March 2020, the NYSPSC implemented a moratorium on utility shutoffs to protect customers facing financial hardship due to the pandemic. This ensured that electric and gas services remained active for non-paying customers, preventing service disconnections. While this didn’t freeze electric bill rates, it provided relief by allowing customers to defer payments without losing access, which may have been perceived as cost stabilization.

 

NYSPSC Utility Bill Relief Programs: The NYSPSC authorized several bill relief initiatives to address unpaid balances accumulated during the pandemic, rather than freezing rates:

 

Phase 1 (June 2022): The NYSPSC approved $567 million in one-time bill credits for approximately 311,000 low-income customers enrolled in the Energy Affordability Program (EAP). These credits targeted unpaid balances accrued through May 1, 2022, effectively reducing bills for eligible households without altering the underlying rate structure.

 

Phase 2 (January 2023): The NYSPSC allocated an additional $672 million in credits for 478,000 residential customers and 56,000 small businesses, addressing unpaid COVID-related balances through May 1, 2022. This program focused on debt relief rather than freezing rates.

2024 Relief: In February 2024, the NYSPSC announced $200 million in one-time energy bill credits for over 8 million electric and gas customers, further easing financial burdens without fixing rates.

 

Rate Regulation and NYSPSC Oversight: The NYSPSC regulates utility rates in New York’s deregulated energy market, where electricity prices are influenced by wholesale market fluctuations. During the pandemic, the NYSPSC did not implement a statewide freeze on electric rates, as this would have required overriding market-driven pricing or imposing significant subsidies. Instead, the NYSPSC focused on affordability through bill credits and deferred payment plans. Utilities like Con Edison and National Grid continued to adjust rates based on infrastructure costs and market conditions, subject to NYSPSC approval.

 

Surcharges to Fund Relief: To finance the bill credit programs, the NYSPSC authorized a 0.5% surcharge on utility bills statewide, adding approximately 50 cents per $100 of a bill. This surcharge indicates that rates were not frozen, as additional costs were introduced to support relief efforts.

Critical Perspective: The NYSPSC’s approach prioritized financial relief and service continuity over a rate freeze, reflecting the challenges of controlling rates in a deregulated market. Freezing rates would have required complex interventions, potentially shifting costs to taxpayers or utilities. The moratorium and bill credits effectively mitigated financial strain for many customers, which might be mistaken for a rate freeze. However, rate adjustments continued, as evidenced by NYSPSC-approved rate cases for utilities during and after the pandemic.

 

The energy bill credits authorized by the New York State Public Service Commission (NYSPSC) during and after the COVID-19 pandemic were primarily funded through a combination of state budget allocations and utility bill surcharges. Here’s a concise breakdown of how these credits were financed, based on available information:State Budget Funding:

 

Phase 1 (June 2022): The $567 million in bill credits for low-income customers enrolled in the Energy Affordability Program (EAP) was funded through New York State’s budget. The state allocated funds to address unpaid utility balances accrued through May 1, 2022, as part of its COVID relief efforts. This was a direct state investment to support approximately 311,000 eligible customers.

 

Phase 2 (January 2023): The $672 million in credits for 478,000 residential customers and 56,000 small businesses was also funded through state budget appropriations. These funds were designated to clear unpaid balances from the pandemic period, reflecting a state commitment to utility affordability.

2024 Relief: The $200 million one-time energy bill credit announced in February 2024 for over 8 million electric and gas customers was similarly supported by state budget funds, as part of ongoing economic relief initiatives.

 

Utility Bill Surcharge:

To offset the costs of these relief programs, the NYSPSC authorized a 0.5% surcharge on utility bills statewide. This added approximately 50 cents per $100 of a customer’s bill. The surcharge was applied across all ratepayers, spreading the cost of the relief programs to ensure utilities could recover funds used for the credits. This mechanism effectively distributed the financial burden among customers rather than relying solely on state funds.

 

Critical Perspective:

The reliance on state budget allocations reflects New York’s prioritization of direct relief during the economic fallout of the pandemic. However, the 0.5% surcharge indicates that ratepayers partially bore the cost, which could be seen as a regressive approach, as it increased bills for all customers, including those who may not have received credits. No evidence suggests federal funding or utility profit reductions were used, meaning the state and customers primarily covered the costs.

 

 

 

 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Andy1 said:

This is new to me. What type of energy is produced on-site with no combustion? 

 

Solid oxide. The technology converts natural gas, bio fuel or even hydrogen into electricity without combustion, resulting in little or no CO2.

When using natural gas, there is some CO2 produced, but dramatically lower, (cleaner), than when it is combusted.

In addition, the CO2 is much purer than when burned, resulting in it being recovered and repurposed.

 

Companies, scores of them like Walmart, Home Depot, Honda, Owens Corning and a host of others use this now.

They do not want to worry about grid supply failures or other back up options. Very significant marine applications and even towns have purchased them. 

[JDHillFan]

9 minutes ago, Wolfgang said:

 

 

 

Your propaganda is noticeably weaker than yesterday...

 

The New York State Public Service Commission (NYSPSC) played a central role in managing utility-related policies during the COVID-19 pandemic, but there was no specific program under the NYSPSC that explicitly froze electric bill rates statewide. Below is an updated response incorporating the NYSPSC’s actions and clarifying the absence of a rate freeze:

 

NYSPSC Moratorium on Utility Shutoffs: In March 2020, the NYSPSC implemented a moratorium on utility shutoffs to protect customers facing financial hardship due to the pandemic. This ensured that electric and gas services remained active for non-paying customers, preventing service disconnections. While this didn’t freeze electric bill rates, it provided relief by allowing customers to defer payments without losing access, which may have been perceived as cost stabilization.

 

NYSPSC Utility Bill Relief Programs: The NYSPSC authorized several bill relief initiatives to address unpaid balances accumulated during the pandemic, rather than freezing rates:

 

Phase 1 (June 2022): The NYSPSC approved $567 million in one-time bill credits for approximately 311,000 low-income customers enrolled in the Energy Affordability Program (EAP). These credits targeted unpaid balances accrued through May 1, 2022, effectively reducing bills for eligible households without altering the underlying rate structure.

 

Phase 2 (January 2023): The NYSPSC allocated an additional $672 million in credits for 478,000 residential customers and 56,000 small businesses, addressing unpaid COVID-related balances through May 1, 2022. This program focused on debt relief rather than freezing rates.

2024 Relief: In February 2024, the NYSPSC announced $200 million in one-time energy bill credits for over 8 million electric and gas customers, further easing financial burdens without fixing rates.

 

Rate Regulation and NYSPSC Oversight: The NYSPSC regulates utility rates in New York’s deregulated energy market, where electricity prices are influenced by wholesale market fluctuations. During the pandemic, the NYSPSC did not implement a statewide freeze on electric rates, as this would have required overriding market-driven pricing or imposing significant subsidies. Instead, the NYSPSC focused on affordability through bill credits and deferred payment plans. Utilities like Con Edison and National Grid continued to adjust rates based on infrastructure costs and market conditions, subject to NYSPSC approval.

 

Surcharges to Fund Relief: To finance the bill credit programs, the NYSPSC authorized a 0.5% surcharge on utility bills statewide, adding approximately 50 cents per $100 of a bill. This surcharge indicates that rates were not frozen, as additional costs were introduced to support relief efforts.

Critical Perspective: The NYSPSC’s approach prioritized financial relief and service continuity over a rate freeze, reflecting the challenges of controlling rates in a deregulated market. Freezing rates would have required complex interventions, potentially shifting costs to taxpayers or utilities. The moratorium and bill credits effectively mitigated financial strain for many customers, which might be mistaken for a rate freeze. However, rate adjustments continued, as evidenced by NYSPSC-approved rate cases for utilities during and after the pandemic.

 

The energy bill credits authorized by the New York State Public Service Commission (NYSPSC) during and after the COVID-19 pandemic were primarily funded through a combination of state budget allocations and utility bill surcharges. Here’s a concise breakdown of how these credits were financed, based on available information:State Budget Funding:

 

Phase 1 (June 2022): The $567 million in bill credits for low-income customers enrolled in the Energy Affordability Program (EAP) was funded through New York State’s budget. The state allocated funds to address unpaid utility balances accrued through May 1, 2022, as part of its COVID relief efforts. This was a direct state investment to support approximately 311,000 eligible customers.

 

Phase 2 (January 2023): The $672 million in credits for 478,000 residential customers and 56,000 small businesses was also funded through state budget appropriations. These funds were designated to clear unpaid balances from the pandemic period, reflecting a state commitment to utility affordability.

2024 Relief: The $200 million one-time energy bill credit announced in February 2024 for over 8 million electric and gas customers was similarly supported by state budget funds, as part of ongoing economic relief initiatives.

 

Utility Bill Surcharge:

To offset the costs of these relief programs, the NYSPSC authorized a 0.5% surcharge on utility bills statewide. This added approximately 50 cents per $100 of a customer’s bill. The surcharge was applied across all ratepayers, spreading the cost of the relief programs to ensure utilities could recover funds used for the credits. This mechanism effectively distributed the financial burden among customers rather than relying solely on state funds.

 

Critical Perspective:

The reliance on state budget allocations reflects New York’s prioritization of direct relief during the economic fallout of the pandemic. However, the 0.5% surcharge indicates that ratepayers partially bore the cost, which could be seen as a regressive approach, as it increased bills for all customers, including those who may not have received credits. No evidence suggests federal funding or utility profit reductions were used, meaning the state and customers primarily covered the costs.

 

 

 

 

No. He called them!

[Wolfgang]

2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

No. He called them!

 

 

Lol, yep...

 

That parasite is a natural born liar...

 

The next 6 months playing with that POS will be EZ PZ...

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Solid oxide. The technology converts natural gas, bio fuel or even hydrogen into electricity without combustion, resulting in little or no CO2.

When using natural gas, there is some CO2 produced, but dramatically lower, (cleaner), than when it is combusted.

In addition, the CO2 is much purer than when burned, resulting in it being recovered and repurposed.

 

Companies, scores of them like Walmart, Home Depot, Honda, Owens Corning and a host of others use this now.

They do not want to worry about grid supply failures or other back up options. Very significant marine applications and even towns have purchased them. 

A type of fuel cell? 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_oxide_fuel_cell

 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

A type of fuel cell? 

 

 

Yes. It's what was used in the space shuttle when they were unable to generate enough solar, based on orbit geometry.

The technology and efficiencies are much greater now, to the point where companies who cannot tolerate utility outages are buying on site energy delivery sources that are completely reliable and independent from public utility companies and the nonsense and politics that involves.

[T master]

14 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Hmmm.  I thought Trump was going to fix all of this stuff.  Instead he plays golf, ruminates about windmills, meets with pedos but not their victims, and hides the Epstein files. 

BS !! You don't wave a freeakin magic wand and expect all the F ups that Biden did to be fixed that's not how it works but I do now that's how you libs think and rather than admit your guys F ups you would much rather blame it on someone else and seeing as your TDS is at a all time high now that he;s back in office he'll take it .

 

Because he's not a puss and has a set of balls seeing all of the BS ya'll tried to drag his ass through and he still whipped your asses to get elected ... Even though your guys made up the entire Russian collusion BS as we are now finding out was nothing but BS he still came out on top !!!

 

Oh and seeing as all of those countries have come to make an agreement of those oh so wicked tariffs, yah he just sits around on his ass and does nothing .

 

Did you here how the EU was going to purchase most of their energy from the US some $650 BILLION worth and that will take away from Russia Trumps buddy Putin selling their oil to the EU - yah he's a F up ... But that's what business men do not career politicians !

 

He's got more accomplished in 6 months than Biden F's up in 4 years but because Biden screwed so many things up while in office like a said Trump doesn't have a magic wand to correct all of the BS . 

 

But will get some of it fixed given he has 4 years the only thing is we have to listen to ya'll's whining & twisting S**T during that time .

11 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  

In your mind/world maybe .

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

14 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I'm going to avoid discussing Robert Reich, who is another political/academic careerist who has never had a real job in industry, other than to point out that the link to his missive seems woefully negligent in a couple issues.

First, it claims :18% increases over a decade. That figure would be well below existing Fed inflation goals.

Second, he seems completely unaware of recent developments in electricity production in our innovative private sector.

 

Every week new deals are announced using developing technology to provide on location electrical power.

No combustion. Extremely clean. Almost no water requirements. No storage requirement. Not reliant on weather conditions.

Most importantly, economically competitive and with no reliance on the weakness of the current delivery system, the grid, managed by public utility folks.

When you produce it at the site, you don't care about the grid. Additionally, relatively large scale capacities can be in place in 90 days, not years of public fighting over new utility plants.

A certain energy producer that I won't mention has just concluded agreements with Oracle, American Electrical Power, Equinex and Quanta Computing, as well as having scores of existing, producing units at many Fortune 500 companies.

Robert Reich might exit the faculty lounge and find out what's going on, not that he ever has.

 

Solar and wind on any scale take up huge amounts of space and are ugly and often dangerous to various flying things.

 

Domestic solar succeeds to some extent because it is subsidized by the taxpayer.

When I had this house built, I fully intended to use it. My garage is good size, and perfectly suited for it: roof faces true south and is of the proper slope for this latitude.

It has simply never made economic sense.

 

 

Trump is pres, he gets the blame, pure and simple.