Erhardt Perkins offense

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

They called the offense "Air Coryell".  Steve Fairchild and then Greg Olson were the OCs.  It was the descendent of the "Greatest Show on Turf" offense Martz took to two Superbowls. 

In its successful implementation, it was built o a vertical passing game opened up by a strong run game (though Marshall Faulk had a lot of receiving yards).  In their SB year, Isaac Bruce and Torrey Holt both rocked 15 Y/R The QB had to know exactly where he was gonna go with the ball and be willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit to get it there. 

But what kind of verbiage they used, pffft can't tell you.

Coryell would be the verbage system with Fairchild too

 

As I said earlier back in the day West Coast EP and coryell were offensive styles but also verbiage systems 

 

Coryell was like the west coast in that the call had a formation, number and a few tags... But not as long 

 

As the NFL became more modern.. and coaches worked with other coaches.. a lot of the plays in the systems have been condensed leaving the verbiage system the biggest difference 

 

 somebody like Sean Payton his offense is basically a conglomerate of coryell and West Coast concepts from back in the day with a modern spread touch

 

 

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

Which is what please? Ghost tosser ? please be detailed

And I can safely assume Josh developed into the Field General  a few years ago, and more so last 2 years.

I think one of the questions is still , how does Josh call out the hot read and flipping to the 3rd or 4th receiver ?

I would like to think everyone knows their job pre snap.

 Which means Josh needs to understand option might have and the eyes to see who is breaking or separating

 

 btw I love this OP 😍

 and thanks for good dialogue/ and educatin'

 

oops I jumped ahead and can se on page two your more detailed definitions

Thanks again 716

 

No problem man 

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[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Which brings me to my questions.  How much is the players responsibility and how much on the coaches during a game.

Also, specifically concerning the "everybody eats" scheme of Brady's, how much influence (play by play) does he have and how

does he call it.  If he has little influence than it's all on Josh and the players.

 

Of course, that holds true on both sides of the ball.

I think Joe Brady's approach of everybody eats can be handled a couple ways 

 

But the easiest way in offensive coordinator can get everybody to eat is by calling specific plays for specific people 

 

If you want the defense to have to defend everybody the first couple drives of the game you might want to call specific plays that are going to get the ball in four different people's hands

 

You have play calls that are longer developing plays with not as defined reads... And then you have some simpler plays with very defined reads

 

Like some quick RPO stuff 

 

If Brady comes out giving Josh some plays with quick defined reads where he only has two reads... RPO quick hitch... He can hand it off , or if the corner is playing 8 yd off you can throw the hitch 

 

Then he does a bubble screen the next play... 

 

Then five wide quarterback draw 

 

The next plan first down he goes back to the RPO, but instead of the quick hitch..  backside slant 

 

Those are some simple offensive play calls that are pretty defined where you can get the ball into multiple people's hands right out of the play call

 

It's on Joe Brady to keep a good rhythm with the offense .. when a quarterback gets shaky which even the best do .. it's on the play caller to settle him down and get him back into a groove

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[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

Which is what please? Ghost tosser ? please be detailed

And I can safely assume Josh developed into the Field General  a few years ago, and more so last 2 years.

I think one of the questions is still , how does Josh call out the hot read and flipping to the 3rd or 4th receiver ?

I would like to think everyone knows their job pre snap.

 Which means Josh needs to understand option might have and the eyes to see who is breaking or separating

 

 btw I love this OP 😍

 and thanks for good dialogue/ and educatin'

 

oops I jumped ahead and can se on page two your more detailed definitions

Thanks again 716

 

So let's just go back to f-right 72 ghost tosser concept which I diagrammed the play 

 

To simplify this exercise we're going to act like we are facing a cover three

 

So ghost concept would be the primary read side against a cover 3... Specifically the flat then the out route

 

But let's say Josh Allen goes up to the line... And this time on the tosser side he notices a Blitzer off the edge... At the line Josh could just do something as simple as point to the area or the receiver.. and he knows his backside slant is now hot

 

Stuff that they've worked back through minicamp to where it's just second nature.. a hand gesture a head nod.. Josh could just turn his third option to the one at the line of scrimmage based on what he sees

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo716

[BigAl2526]

Thanks, Buffalo 716.  I don't pretend to know the technical intricacies of NFL football, but your explanation matches what I understood to be true.  The offensive systems (at least today) are languages.  They may have at one time carried philosophical implications, but not so much anymore.  For example, the West Coast offense was geared to more of a short passing game, designed to spread defenses out horizontally.  The running game was more of a change of pace tool to keep defenses honest.  Now, it's more about the philosophy of the head coach/offensive coordinator.  There are West coast guys that like to run the ball more and guys that like to run it less, and guys who like passing the ball deep and those who don't, sometimes depending on the skill sets of the players.  You can run any play in Erhardt-Perkins that you can run in the West Coast and vice versa.

[Buffalo716]

12 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

Thanks, Buffalo 716.  I don't pretend to know the technical intricacies of NFL football, but your explanation matches what I understood to be true.  The offensive systems (at least today) are languages.  They may have at one time carried philosophical implications, but not so much anymore.  For example, the West Coast offense was geared to more of a short passing game, designed to spread defenses out horizontally.  The running game was more of a change of pace tool to keep defenses honest.  Now, it's more about the philosophy of the head coach/offensive coordinator.  There are West coast guys that like to run the ball more and guys that like to run it less, and guys who like passing the ball deep and those who don't, sometimes depending on the skill sets of the players.  You can run any play in Erhardt-Perkins that you can run in the West Coast and vice versa.

Yes that is basically what I was getting at 

 

Think of football as a language... But the coaches speak three distinct languages 

 

Compare that to the Indo-European branch of language... And you have the romance branch, the Germanic branch, and the Hellenic branch 

 

They all speak European but they're all different 

 

That's West Coast coryell and EP verbiage 

 

Now  there are some people that run a predominantly West Coast system with the verbiage 

 

But even guys like Kyle shanahan incorporate elements of other offenses in his scheme.. it's 2025 football's a hundred years old there's really nothing that has been ran that has not