sherpa Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: We don't know this. "I want to thank and congratulate Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu. We worked as a team like perhaps no team has ever worked before, and we’ve gone a long way to erasing this horrible threat to Israel. I want to thank the Israeli military for the wonderful job they’ve done." The timing is vague at best. If we were working with them from the onset of the attack, that changes things imo. That would mean we were planning war all along which congress should have least been apprised of, if not voted on. The timing matters. No surprise here. You post a theory and then claim "foul" based on the denied theory being true. All evidence points otherwise. Nimitz would not have suddenly been redeployed to the IO resulting in a five day delay, if the US would have "known." They would have been there. Believe whatever you want, just don't state the belief as fact. 2
Homelander Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 9 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I dont need to swallow my pride. If did I'd be the first to admit it. From a sampling of your posts you stand with Hezbollah, Iran, Illegal Immigrants, Wife beating MS13 members, Looters, Rioters, and parents who think its acceptable to castrate their kids. If you think thats the side of good well then continue spamming this board with your nonsense. You’re not making a point - you’re cosplaying as a patriot vomiting out every buzzword you heard on Fox News. You deflect, project, and foam at the mouth about madeup enemies because reality left you behind. Your entire rant is a mix of paranoia and playground-level insults. No one here thinks standing for human rights or due process means 'supporting terrorists.' That’s just the lazy fantasy you need to believe so you can keep pretending your side has the moral high ground - which it does not.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: No surprise here. You post a theory and then claim "foul" based on the denied theory being true. All evidence points otherwise. Nimitz would not have suddenly been redeployed to the IO resulting in a five day delay, if the US would have "known." They would have been there. Believe whatever you want, just don't state the belief as fact. I didn't state it as fact. The "if" kinda gives it away. Was it a "five day delay" or was it a planned delay to let Israel neuter Iran's air defenses first? You don't know. I don't know. But you seem to believe your view as fact. I anticipated your argument to be "it doesn't matter. Needed to be done". And I would argue against that because of war powers.... Edited 4 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever
SectionC3 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 26 minutes ago, sherpa said: Sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one. The US did not know, thank God, of Israeli strike plans that were so incredibly successful. To design a strike as complicated as what we just pulled off takes an immense amount of planning and coordination. That takes time, and that detailed planning is what allowed the execution to be so successful. I fully doubt the Russia/Tehran (IRGC), suggestion re the Strait of Hormuz in your post. I don't think it's at all likely. The IRGC has been decapitated. We’ll see if they can lay mines and sink a couple of tankers using surface mussels. And I don’t doubt for a second that we knew of the Israelis’ move on Iran in advance. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 5 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said: “Imminent” = on the order of days or weeks or months, not a year or longer. There has been ZERO evidence suggesting the danger was imminent. Trump and Netanyahu opted out of diplomacy way too soon for, I believe, reasons that I’ve already articulated. You’re presenting a fork-in-the-road situation as if both choices are of approximately equal caliber in rationale. What happened to the Leh-nerd who is uber-skeptical of government power, the establishment, the deep state, and what not?? You seem to be suspending a lot of your innate distrust when it comes to this particular dilemma. Still skeptical of government power, still question everything, still recognize that the camp I’m in— the “Holy crap I hope the evidence they saw that convinced them that they had to act at this level, at this time”—-and hope it turns out to be the correct camp to be in. It’s ultimately a luxury to sit and judge this (or any) military action, and I’m mindful that I could be in the wrong camp. However, the international community, keepers of the peace, etc all seem to point to the conclusion that Iran unchecked was going in one direction and that was a very bad thing. That they chose that path tilts the scale for me. I think I’m pretty consistent in this regard. I appreciate your diplomacy before death approach to this situation, but I see a certain amount of naivety in parsing between a day, a month and a year with the stakes here. The Iranians were in the catbird seat and simply had to agree not to do that which everyone (even a non-intervention interventionist in a Hillary Clinton pantsuit like you) feels they should not be done. You’re apparently willing to wait unit the bomb is made but not yet deployed, I’m hoping the decision was appropriate and they dealt with it before that happened. Edited 4 hours ago by leh-nerd skin-erd 1
Homelander Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago On 6/16/2025 at 10:23 PM, Big Blitz said: Every time panicans have said "he's going to get us bogged down in another regime change war! Here comes WWIII!" It never happens. Trump is still the same guy that told Jeb Bush, to his face, that his brother lied us into Iraq. He's the guy who broke with the otherwise-unanimous Republican consensus and criticized regime change adventurism. If you're betting on anything different here you're being silly. Strikes are very likely coming. I wouldn't want to be in Tehran right now. But the end result will not be a waste of American blood and treasure. We elected the guy for a reason. 1
Homelander Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 21 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: the “Holy crap I hope the evidence they saw that convinced them that they had to act at this level, at this time”—-and hope it turns out to be the correct camp to be in. You might want to pack up...
boyst Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 19 hours ago, muppy said: WE decide right? arrogant bastards all of you who back this president Idiot morons who are butthurt about a military strike when it has been precedent for a very long time. Did you get this upset when we took out Bin Laden? I bet you did you traitorous wretch. 1
Big Blitz Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Homelander said: You might want to pack up... Vibes Libs: Omg omg what do I do what do I complain about now??? Sums up low info America - only partisan reflex is left. This would be Democrats.
boyst Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 18 hours ago, muppy said: yes I am. I think as an American whose president ignores the constitution however the **** he feels like. and you applaud. my value system is just FINE and righteous anger is valid. so there! HA Obama blew up Americans without judicial oversight. Biden sent millions to Ukraine without congress approving it. A lot of military aid. I know the board is full of NPC Democratic drones but Jesus, you sink to a new low with this anger and outrage. It's amazing that this country is has more than a few hundred of your type which shows how poorly our education system is.
boyst Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Homelander said: You might want to pack up... Lol rolling Stone 2 1
nedboy7 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 19 hours ago, JDHillFan said: That’s good. Now try to come to terms with the orange dufus being in office another 3.5 years. See you at the ballot box in 26 and 28. in doubt he makes it. The gop is gonna have to oust him. That’s my guess. He’s a disaster.
boyst Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 32 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Still skeptical of government power, still question everything, still recognize that the camp I’m in— the “Holy crap I hope the evidence they saw that convinced them that they had to act at this level, at this time”—-and hope it turns out to be the correct camp to be in. It’s ultimately a luxury to sit and judge this (or any) military action, and I’m mindful that I could be in the wrong camp. However, the international community, keepers of the peace, etc all seem to point to the conclusion that Iran unchecked was going in one direction and that was a very bad thing. That they chose that path tilts the scale for me. I think I’m pretty consistent in this regard. I appreciate your diplomacy before death approach to this situation, but I see a certain amount of naivety in parsing between a day, a month and a year with the stakes here. The Iranians were in the catbird seat and simply had to agree not to do that which everyone (even a non-intervention interventionist in a Hillary Clinton pantsuit like you) feels they should not be done. You’re apparently willing to wait unit the bomb is made but not yet deployed, I’m hoping the decision was appropriate and they dealt with it before that happened. And that's pretty much the cap for most people. The worldwide outrage isn't there. It's telling. The entire USIC is completely befuddled because so many were wrong, including the neo cons. 1
Big Blitz Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago Yep. But by all means let them tell Donald Trump what MAGA means
sherpa Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: We’ll see if they can lay mines and sink a couple of tankers using surface mussels. If you are an Iranian mine layer, you have the life expectancy of a lab rat. If they bag a tanker using a mussel, we have an entirely new seafood industry to deal with. But that's another subject. 'Houston....We've got a bivalve mullusc problem." Edited 3 hours ago by sherpa 1 1
Homelander Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Vibes 153 days He played you. Again. At some point, denial stops being loyalty and starts being embarrassing.
Big Blitz Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago Just now, Homelander said: 153 days He played you. Again. At some point, denial stops being loyalty and starts being embarrassing. Um. Nope. I voted for American greatness. This is exactly what I voted for, loser. 1 1
sherpa Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 39 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I didn't state it as fact. The "if" kinda gives it away. Was it a "five day delay" or was it a planned delay to let Israel neuter Iran's air defenses first? You don't know. I don't know. But you seem to believe your view as fact. I anticipated your argument to be "it doesn't matter. Needed to be done". And I would argue against that because of war powers.... Ya. I'm completely confident that my view on redeploying Nimitz is correct. Been there, done that. Same waters. South China Sea through Straits of Malacca, then same airspace, same enemy.
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