UPDATE: ISRAEL v IRAN - Ceasefire reached?

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

The chief United Nations nuclear inspector has widened the divide with the Trump administration over how severely the United States set back Iran’s nuclear program, declaring that it could be enriching uranium in a “matter of months” even as President Trump repeated his claim that Tehran had lost interest in the effort.

“Frankly speaking, one cannot claim that everything has disappeared and there is nothing there,” Rafael Mariano Grossi, the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said in an interview with CBS News that aired on Sunday.

But Mr. Grossi’s analysis — one that several European intelligence agencies share — is consistent with a preliminary assessment by the Defense Intelligence Agency that was widely reported on last week. That report estimated that the strike set back the Iranian nuclear program by only a few months. The C.I.A. director said later in the week that the Iranian program had been severely damaged, and the U.S. intelligence agencies were continuing to assess the strike.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/29/us/politics/un-iran-nuclear-program-enrichment.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Sk8.rXji.vZ38L-H11Vde&smid=url-share

 

 

If proven to be correct, I would imagine they'd bomb those sites again in a couple months. So its all kind of a moot point.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

If proven to be correct, I would imagine they'd bomb those sites again in a couple months. So its all kind of a moot point.

Bibi will demand they bomb it

[Joe Ferguson forever]

34 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

If proven to be correct, I would imagine they'd bomb those sites again in a couple months. So its all kind of a moot point.

it's not moot.  it's important to know that the prez, vp, sec stat lied to all Americans if this true.  It also lets the real "deep state" (see above) get us deeper into a regional war

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

it's not moot.  it's important to know that the prez, vp, sec stat lied to all Americans if this true.  It also lets the real "deep state" (see above) get us deeper into a regional war

 

With whom?

[4th&long]

6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

it's not moot.  it's important to know that the prez, vp, sec stat lied to all Americans if this true.  It also lets the real "deep state" (see above) get us deeper into a regional war

These people you're arguing with are too stupid to get this point. They really are the dumbest American citizens. 

[Albwan]

Just now, 4th&long said:

These people you're arguing with are too stupid to get this point. They really are the dumbest American citizens. 

you jerks aren't arguing with anyone. You are just crying and trolling, getting laughed at.

[4th&long]

2 minutes ago, Albwan said:

you jerks aren't arguing with anyone. You are just crying and trolling, getting laughed at.

Getting laughed at by the dumbest white trash in America? Who cares?

 

UN Nuclear Watchdog Humiliates Trump With Brutal Iran Assessment

 

https://flip.it/1NrOzB

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 minutes ago, Albwan said:

you jerks aren't arguing with anyone. You are just crying and trolling, getting laughed at.

trolling = posting anything you disagree with.  pathetic.

have you seen any progressives claim trolling against one of you maga's save JD pos's repeatedly posting a pic of an R senator?  but it's easily fixed:  ignore until you want to engage and own....

Edited 6 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[JDHillFan]

3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

trolling = posting anything you disagree with.  pathetic.

have you seen any progressives claim trolling against one of you maga's save JD pos's repeatedly posting a pic of an R senator?  but it's easily fixed:  ignore until you want to engage and own....

The Senator has a name. It’s Susan Collins.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

The Senator has a name. It’s Susan Collins.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

10 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

The Senator has a name. It’s Susan Collins.

And it's a nice name. 

 

Parents just don't name girls Sue anymore 🤷‍♂️

 

Or Lisa 

[sherpa]

So let's review, because it's been the best few months in middle east events in decades.

 

1. Syria collapses after an Israeli strike.

2. The collapse of Syria ends the weapons autobahn between Iran and its Hezbollah and Hamas.

3. Hezbollah basically collapses. Hamas the same.

4. Israel clears a path through Syria for the IAF to get to eastern Syria unimpeded, and thus provides a pathway to Iran, eliminating major problems doing so without fighting their way through and having to tank in the air.

5. Iran, accurately sensing that it's murderous noose around Israel is impotent, rushes into an expedited effort to finish building the nuc program and getting weapons on a delivery system.

6. Israel becomes aware of that and figures, "it's now or never." They take out the Iranian air defenses in basically two days, enjoying unfettered access to Iranian sites.

7. Iran asks Hezbollah to respond with aggression, and they don't. China and Russia, both with strategic alliances signed with Iran, in the case of Russia, just this year, don't honor the defense commitments, leaving Iran orphaned. Moreover, China tells Iran not to screw around in the Strait of Hormuz.

8. Israel destroys a good deal of the above ground nuc facilities, "neutralizes" a good deal of the scientific talent that underpins it, and decapitates the IRCG leadership, who are really the problem, as well as destroying a good deal of the ballistic missile production and operational capability of Iran, which threatens Israel and US forces.

9. The US conducts and immensely successful strike on underground facilities thought to be impenetrable, losing nobody and putting massive weapons exactly where intended.

10. The Israelis have an obviously significant humint capability inside Iran, probably still operational, and still control the airspace.

 

The old aphorism applies:

     "The perfect is not the enemy of the good."

The regular Iranians, non the ideologically animated religious nuts and their sycophants, did not immediately rise and throw wackos out but things are way, way better off than they were prior to the fall of Syria.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by sherpa

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

8 minutes ago, sherpa said:

So let's review, because it's been the best few months in middle east events in decades.

 

1. Syria collapses after an Israeli strike.

2. The collapse of Syria ends the weapons autobahn between Iran and its Hezbollah and Hamas.

3. Hezbollah basically collapses. Hamas the same.

4. Israel clears a path through Syria for the IAF to get to eastern Syria unimpeded, and thus provides a pathway to Iran, eliminating major problems doing so without fighting their way through and having to tank in the air.

5. Iran, accurately sensing that it's murderous noose around Israel is impotent, rushes into an expedited effort to finish building the nuc program and getting weapons on a delivery system.

6. Israel becomes aware of that and figures, "it's now or never." They take out the Iranian air defenses in basically two days, enjoying unfettered access to Iranian sites.

7. Iran asks Hezbollah to respond with aggression, and they don't. China and Russia, both with strategic alliances signed with Iran, in the case of Russia, just this year, don't honor the defense commitments, leaving Iran orphaned. Moreover, China tells Iran not to screw around in the Strait of Hormuz.

8. Israel destroys a good deal of the above ground nuc facilities, "neutralizes" a good deal of the scientific talent that underpins it, and decapitates the IRCG leadership, who are really the problem, as well as destroying a good deal of the ballistic missile production and operational capability of Iran, which threatens Israel and US forces.

9. The US conducts and immensely successful strike on underground facilities thought to be impenetrable, losing nobody and putting massive weapons exactly where intended.

10. The Israelis have an obviously significant humint capability inside Iran, probably still operational, and still control the airspace.

 

The old aphorism applies:

     "The perfect is not the enemy of the good."

The regular Iranians, non the ideologically animated religious nuts and their sycophants, did not immediately rise and throw wackos out but things are way, way better off than they were prior to the fall of Syria.

 

What source do you have about Iran rushing to finish its nukes? 

 

[sherpa]

30 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

What source do you have about Iran rushing to finish its nukes? 

 

 

As long as we're doing Rolling Stone, a known neutral, (and credible), source of intl intel, can we revisit their "Rape on Campus" story?

 

I ran into the woman who sued them over that in the produce section of our local Wegmans about a month after her suit was settled. Kind of an odd looking woman who is extremely identifiable.

I told her that I had never wished for a larger settlement against a dirtbag group.

[sherpa]

42 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

What source do you have about Iran rushing to finish its nukes? 

 

 

[sherpa]

By the way, I cannot stand quoting stupid posts that have giant X crap in them.

Often, people ask a question of someone here in a post that contains that stuff, and in order to acknowledge the question and answer it, you have to include the X thing.

There's probably a way around it, but i haven't the interest in figuring that out.

 

Anyway, without another stupid Rolling Stone thing, here is the question asked of me in that post.

     "What source do you have about Iran rushing to finish its nukes?"

 

Here's the answer to that question, without Rolling Stone trash

https://emetonline.org/resource/iran-violations-since-jcpoa/

 

Go to the 2:50 mark until about 4:00, though the entire thing is very good. He also intimates at the end that they have an idea on location re fissile material.

[Homelander]

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

Hey loser, did trump step down yet?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

4 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

What source do you have about Iran rushing to finish its nukes? 

 

 

I got a freaky ol' lady name a cocaine Katy who embroideries on my jeans
I got my poor ol' grey-haired daddy driving my limousine
Now it's all designed to blow our minds but our minds won't really be blown
Like the blow that'll get ya when you get your picture on the cover of the Rolling Stone

[Doc]

4 hours ago, sherpa said:

As long as we're doing Rolling Stone, a known neutral, (and credible), source of intl intel, can we revisit their "Rape on Campus" story?

 

I ran into the woman who sued them over that in the produce section of our local Wegmans about a month after her suit was settled. Kind of an odd looking woman who is extremely identifiable.

I told her that I had never wished for a larger settlement against a dirtbag group.

 

At least Playboy had nice pictures...